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2021/05/08 19:38:21
Subject: Warhammer Fest Online! May 5th to 8th, 6pm BST! 5 days in!
CMLR wrote: Multi-part kits, like this will be, will have shared legs for everyone.
You can see the legs (and hips, and lower torso, as those will undoubtedly be one piece) have different proportions.
Like, just look at the image. It's right there.
FFS, the current multi part SC kits that have male and female variants do not share any parts between them, except the weapons and I think gloves in some cases.
Cronch wrote: Everyone knows only nerds play tabletop, so why all the male bodies in plastic form?
We all wish we could look like Henry Cavill.
Who, btw, is into Warhammer.
Life just isn't fair, man.
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2021/05/08 19:39:35
Subject: Re:Warhammer Fest Online! May 5th to 8th, 6pm BST! 5 days in!
jojo_monkey_boy wrote: Due to the machinations of Be’lakor, the souls of Stormcast Eternals are no longer guaranteed to return for their reforging – but thunderstrike armour is wrought expressly to give them the power to pierce the supernatural clouds hanging over the realms and make their way safely back to Azyr.
This is a perfect example of how bad the writing is these days.
The storyline advances and creates a new problem, which is immediately solved by way of something which happens to be a new kit. They are literally the same thing as primaris, just in a very slightly different package.
I need to remind myself this game is primarily aimed at 13 year olds.
Until you remember that is not entirely true, its not a surefire way of returning to Azyr, as they have literally said. Before they said that the stormcasts couldn't go home now there is a very high chance they can't go back. And yes it is meant to be a bit nobler and less dark than 40k. It is not 40k.
I don't think its bad writing in anyway. Don't be reductive.
Also are we seriously talking about female models in SC? Who cares? Its like oh cool new variations in models. Cool. As there are countless examples of female warriors in AOS, and it being high fantasy I don't care about 'but physically they can't' arguments. Its really doesn't matter. This is AOS they can get away with little frog people being prophets, I think a woman wielding a spear or a massive hammer is the least of AOS's problems lol
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2021/05/08 19:43:44
Subject: Warhammer Fest Online! May 5th to 8th, 6pm BST! 5 days in!
Also why is there pushback on female Stormcast? I understand not liking the first couple they did because the helmetless head sculpts were atrocious, but these look fine.
It's likely not female stormcast in particular, but the influx of female models in Warhammer in general. The topic is a difficult one to discuss for several reasons (which you are likely aware of), but I'll give you my honest take.
Women in the context of combat are inherently unintuitive to me. Yes, Warhammer and AoS are super high fantasy and it's not that female warriors are implausible within the setting, but the ratio is still something to consider. Making 2 out of 10 warriors female sounds about right to me, but even that should be optional.
In my mind, Warhammer is still a derivate of our medieval past, so seeing women participate in warfare to a higher degree than that just doesn't work for me. It's my personal perspective and a biased one at that, but it's not something I can just ignore.
Secondly, there are clear indications that this trend is, at least to some degree, politically motivated. Representation for the sake of representation is a concept I have yet to understand – maybe nobody ever properly explained it to me – and in my case it happens to change whatever I enjoy to its detriment.
Thirdly, this particular issue tends to be discussed with moral grandstanding, self-righteousness and outright unwillingness to consider the other side of the argument. I acknowledge that many people are happy with more female miniatures and I'm not saying that I am right or they are wrong – it's a matter of taste. Being branded as someone who hates women will make me very angry, though, which is why I tend to respond in kind whenever I'm confronted with this accusation. Now, take all of this and consider that it's mostly happening in online spaces where discussion tends to ignore normal conventions anyway, and it's suddenly very clear why discussions are often unneccessarily charged.
The first one is stupid in both 40k and AoS. Everything is combat. You're more likely to die in battle in these universes than you are to die to anything else except disease. It's not like you can just avoid fighting because you're ostensibly a civilian.
Secondly, representation is about...being represented. I don't know how this could possibly be confusing, it's as straightforward as it gets. As for it being politically motivated, you'd say that regardless. If it was one super badass female that was a stormcast you'd accuse them of tokenism. Anything else would be pandering. What the old saying 'their are only 2 genders male and political'.
If you don't want to be accused of hating women, quit parroting arguments made by people who actually do hate women. You want your armies to be predominantly male. Cool. Leave it at that.
2021/05/08 19:44:48
Subject: Warhammer Fest Online! May 5th to 8th, 6pm BST! 5 days in!
Representation for the sake of representation is a concept I have yet to understand
I agree! I am so sick of all this pointless male representation in gaming. Everyone knows only nerds play tabletop, so why all the male bodies in plastic form?
Hard agree. It's ridiculous.
Could you imagine representation in a high fantasy bah, the concept is mindboggling /s
Overall this was a great release / day. I don't know anyone could possibly delude themselves into thinking we are getting Horus Heresy 2nd edition. When all the leaks and rumors have all been "AOS 3RD edition". AOS again blowing everything else out of the water due to its designers being so intelligently thoughtful in its design from models to lore.
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From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
2021/05/08 19:45:38
Subject: Warhammer Fest Online! May 5th to 8th, 6pm BST! 5 days in!
CMLR wrote: Multi-part kits, like this will be, will have shared legs for everyone.
You can see the legs (and hips, and lower torso, as those will undoubtedly be one piece) have different proportions.
Like, just look at the image. It's right there.
FFS, the current multi part SC kits that have male and female variants do not share any parts between them, except the weapons and I think gloves in some cases.
So, when these stormcast die, will they damage the enemy? Do current stormcast do that, since they turn into lightning? I'm guessing the new ones actually explode
2021/05/08 19:50:18
Subject: Warhammer Fest Online! May 5th to 8th, 6pm BST! 5 days in!
GaroRobe wrote: So, when these stormcast die, will they damage the enemy? Do current stormcast do that, since they turn into lightning? I'm guessing the new ones actually explode
WE have no idea
From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
2021/05/08 19:56:38
Subject: Warhammer Fest Online! May 5th to 8th, 6pm BST! 5 days in!
Also why is there pushback on female Stormcast? I understand not liking the first couple they did because the helmetless head sculpts were atrocious, but these look fine.
It's likely not female stormcast in particular, but the influx of female models in Warhammer in general. The topic is a difficult one to discuss for several reasons (which you are likely aware of), but I'll give you my honest take.
Women in the context of combat are inherently unintuitive to me. Yes, Warhammer and AoS are super high fantasy and it's not that female warriors are implausible within the setting, but the ratio is still something to consider. Making 2 out of 10 warriors female sounds about right to me, but even that should be optional.
In my mind, Warhammer is still a derivate of our medieval past, so seeing women participate in warfare to a higher degree than that just doesn't work for me. It's my personal perspective and a biased one at that, but it's not something I can just ignore.
Secondly, there are clear indications that this trend is, at least to some degree, politically motivated. Representation for the sake of representation is a concept I have yet to understand – maybe nobody ever properly explained it to me – and in my case it happens to change whatever I enjoy to its detriment.
Thirdly, this particular issue tends to be discussed with moral grandstanding, self-righteousness and outright unwillingness to consider the other side of the argument. I acknowledge that many people are happy with more female miniatures and I'm not saying that I am right or they are wrong – it's a matter of taste. Being branded as someone who hates women will make me very angry, though, which is why I tend to respond in kind whenever I'm confronted with this accusation. Now, take all of this and consider that it's mostly happening in online spaces where discussion tends to ignore normal conventions anyway, and it's suddenly very clear why discussions are often unneccessarily charged.
The first one is stupid in both 40k and AoS. Everything is combat. You're more likely to die in battle in these universes than you are to die to anything else except disease. It's not like you can just avoid fighting because you're ostensibly a civilian.
Secondly, representation is about...being represented. I don't know how this could possibly be confusing, it's as straightforward as it gets. As for it being politically motivated, you'd say that regardless. If it was one super badass female that was a stormcast you'd accuse them of tokenism. Anything else would be pandering. What the old saying 'their are only 2 genders male and political'.
If you don't want to be accused of hating women, quit parroting arguments made by people who actually do hate women. You want your armies to be predominantly male. Cool. Leave it at that.
He's being entirely disingenuous. I applaud your effort to engage, but anyone who argues that "women can't fight" like it's a rational argument and claims to not understand representation and why it matters is just a pathetic troll. I'm sure he will have something as fatuous as his original post to say when he sees this.
The first one is stupid in both 40k and AoS. Everything is combat. You're more likely to die in battle in these universes than you are to die to anything else except disease. It's not like you can just avoid fighting because you're ostensibly a civilian.
Secondly, representation is about...being represented. I don't know how this could possibly be confusing, it's as straightforward as it gets. As for it being politically motivated, you'd say that regardless. If it was one super badass female that was a stormcast you'd accuse them of tokenism. Anything else would be pandering. What the old saying 'their are only 2 genders male and political'.
If you don't want to be accused of hating women, quit parroting arguments made by people who actually do hate women. You want your armies to be predominantly male. Cool. Leave it at that.
q.e.d.
As expected. It's almost sad.
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2021/05/08 19:57:52
Subject: Re:Warhammer Fest Online! May 5th to 8th, 6pm BST! 5 days in!
Also why is there pushback on female Stormcast? I understand not liking the first couple they did because the helmetless head sculpts were atrocious, but these look fine.
It's likely not female stormcast in particular, but the influx of female models in Warhammer in general. The topic is a difficult one to discuss for several reasons (which you are likely aware of), but I'll give you my honest take.
Women in the context of combat are inherently unintuitive to me. Yes, Warhammer and AoS are super high fantasy and it's not that female warriors are implausible within the setting, but the ratio is still something to consider. Making 2 out of 10 warriors female sounds about right to me, but even that should be optional.
In my mind, Warhammer is still a derivate of our medieval past, so seeing women participate in warfare to a higher degree than that just doesn't work for me. It's my personal perspective and a biased one at that, but it's not something I can just ignore.
Secondly, there are clear indications that this trend is, at least to some degree, politically motivated. Representation for the sake of representation is a concept I have yet to understand – maybe nobody ever properly explained it to me – and in my case it happens to change whatever I enjoy to its detriment.
Thirdly, this particular issue tends to be discussed with moral grandstanding, self-righteousness and outright unwillingness to consider the other side of the argument. I acknowledge that many people are happy with more female miniatures and I'm not saying that I am right or they are wrong – it's a matter of taste. Being branded as someone who hates women will make me very angry, though, which is why I tend to respond in kind whenever I'm confronted with this accusation. Now, take all of this and consider that it's mostly happening in online spaces where discussion tends to ignore normal conventions anyway, and it's suddenly very clear why discussions are often unneccessarily charged.
The first one is stupid in both 40k and AoS. Everything is combat. You're more likely to die in battle in these universes than you are to die to anything else except disease. It's not like you can just avoid fighting because you're ostensibly a civilian.
Secondly, representation is about...being represented. I don't know how this could possibly be confusing, it's as straightforward as it gets. As for it being politically motivated, you'd say that regardless. If it was one super badass female that was a stormcast you'd accuse them of tokenism. Anything else would be pandering. What the old saying 'their are only 2 genders male and political'.
If you don't want to be accused of hating women, quit parroting arguments made by people who actually do hate women. You want your armies to be predominantly male. Cool. Leave it at that.
He's being entirely disingenuous. I applaud your effort to engage, but anyone who argues that "women can't fight" like it's a rational argument and claims to not understand representation and why it matters is just a pathetic troll. I'm sure he will have something as fatuous as his original post to say when he sees this.
He already did. He posted three letters.
The issue is that there is a long history of female fighters throughout the world. From Pirates, to Greeks, to lots of other events throughout world history that there have been female soldiers or soldiery used. Its just not making much sense.
AOS gets away with lots of things and this is the least interesting thing to talk about. All the models are cool and very well proportioned.
From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
2021/05/08 20:03:12
Subject: Warhammer Fest Online! May 5th to 8th, 6pm BST! 5 days in!
I guarantee you I'm not, I was merely trying to answer a question in an honest way. I'll gladly elaborate in a private conversation if you are interested – otherwise it'd probably derail the thread.
2021/05/08 20:04:01
Subject: Re:Warhammer Fest Online! May 5th to 8th, 6pm BST! 5 days in!
Eldarsif wrote: Love what we've seen so far. Just wish we'd seen more.
Also love that more of the Stormcast are women. Reflects the fluff better in many ways.
Especially because the requirement of being a hero is so loosely defined that literally anyone can be one, from a woman standing up for her beliefs and burned as heretic or A female doctor killed while protecting her charges , literally anything tis great. Gardus is an amazing example of where someone can come from he was just a hospice doctor afterall.
From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
2021/05/08 20:09:48
Subject: Re:Warhammer Fest Online! May 5th to 8th, 6pm BST! 5 days in!
Actually my stromcast favourite models are female and yep they look different as they should.
I welcome the options provided but thats just me.
The muscular man stereotype is still strong in AoS so some variation to that is a positive. I would go as far to say that GW struggles to sculpt women because they were stuck just sculpting men over and over again.
chaos0xomega wrote: Thats because of the whole art-and-miniatures-first development process. They came up with some new Stormcast sculpts featuring an entirely new style of armor and some writer was tasked with having to write an explanation for why.
Alternatively, they took feedback from people like myself who felt that Stormcast visual profiles were not well defined.
I pity whoever had to read the last survey they did when it got to the open comments bit, as I ripped into them for the laziness of the Stormcast line.
2021/05/08 20:11:11
Subject: Warhammer Fest Online! May 5th to 8th, 6pm BST! 5 days in!
For the few female exclusive models. Multi-part kits, like this will be, will have shared legs for everyone.
Like in sequitors? Oh wait they don't...
Just stop makin# yourself look silly and stop claiming boopplate is only difference when its clearly not.
makin#? What's that?
And yeah, Sequitors don't have visible dumb boob armor, and that is refreshing, but I am not complaining about that being the only difference, I am pointing out that boob plate at all is dumb.
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2021/05/08 20:15:53
Subject: Re:Warhammer Fest Online! May 5th to 8th, 6pm BST! 5 days in!
I came home from a pleasant evening dining out with people from outside my household for the first time in 7 months and I come home to see literally Primaris Stormcast. Day ruined, thanks Obama.
Also something something creative bankrupcy.
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2021/05/08 20:18:54
Subject: Warhammer Fest Online! May 5th to 8th, 6pm BST! 5 days in!
I don't play AoS, but the regulars that post on dakka seem to rate AoS these days. Does it really need a version 3? Are there lots of faults to be fixed?
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2021/05/08 20:19:24
Subject: Re:Warhammer Fest Online! May 5th to 8th, 6pm BST! 5 days in!
lord_blackfang wrote: I came home from a pleasant evening dining out with people from outside my household for the first time in 7 months and I come home to see literally Primaris Stormcast. Day ruined, thanks Obama.
Also something something creative bankrupcy.
Well gw's buissness model seems to go more torwards coorporate need to reinvent and especially resell the wheel to the playerbase. Also considering people bought tempestus scions so will people buy the First day DLC released for 40k right now and so will people be fine with this.
Also easiest way to introduce reccurent spending into the playerbase.
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2021/05/08 20:21:14
Subject: Warhammer Fest Online! May 5th to 8th, 6pm BST! 5 days in!
Gimgamgoo wrote: I don't play AoS, but the regulars that post on dakka seem to rate AoS these days. Does it really need a version 3? Are there lots of faults to be fixed?
It needs like, five bulletpoints of fixes. But it doesn't matter does it? New edition equals new rulebook to sell, new army books and accessories...it's part of the business model. Arguably there was nothing so wrong with 3rd edition 40k that it required 5 more to fix either.
2021/05/08 20:22:38
Subject: Re:Warhammer Fest Online! May 5th to 8th, 6pm BST! 5 days in!
Eldarsif wrote: Love what we've seen so far. Just wish we'd seen more.
Also love that more of the Stormcast are women. Reflects the fluff better in many ways.
Especially because the requirement of being a hero is so loosely defined that literally anyone can be one, from a woman standing up for her beliefs and burned as heretic or A female doctor killed while protecting her charges , literally anything tis great. Gardus is an amazing example of where someone can come from he was just a hospice doctor afterall.
Bingo. That's the beauty of Stormcast right there.
2021/05/08 20:23:14
Subject: Warhammer Fest Online! May 5th to 8th, 6pm BST! 5 days in!
Gimgamgoo wrote: I don't play AoS, but the regulars that post on dakka seem to rate AoS these days. Does it really need a version 3? Are there lots of faults to be fixed?
Not really, the rules just needed a look over, mainly battalions, etc. Everything else is fine, maybe looking at ranged weapons being a bit too effective, thats really about if off the top of my head. Did it need it? No. Is it welcome yes. Especially because I knew we were going to get a 3rd edition because it has been a while since second edition came out.
From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
2021/05/08 20:23:38
Subject: Warhammer Fest Online! May 5th to 8th, 6pm BST! 5 days in!
Gimgamgoo wrote: I don't play AoS, but the regulars that post on dakka seem to rate AoS these days. Does it really need a version 3? Are there lots of faults to be fixed?
There are a few holes that need to be addressed and it seems so far they are going to address them. I would have liked them to remove the random initiative order, but I'll take what I can get.
I am super stoked for 3.0.
2021/05/08 20:25:33
Subject: Warhammer Fest Online! May 5th to 8th, 6pm BST! 5 days in!
jojo_monkey_boy wrote: Due to the machinations of Be’lakor, the souls of Stormcast Eternals are no longer guaranteed to return for their reforging – but thunderstrike armour is wrought expressly to give them the power to pierce the supernatural clouds hanging over the realms and make their way safely back to Azyr.
This is a perfect example of how bad the writing is these days.
The storyline advances and creates a new problem, which is immediately solved by way of something which happens to be a new kit. They are literally the same thing as primaris, just in a very slightly different package.
I need to remind myself this game is primarily aimed at 13 year olds.
Until you remember that is not entirely true, its not a surefire way of returning to Azyr, as they have literally said. Before they said that the stormcasts couldn't go home now there is a very high chance they can't go back. And yes it is meant to be a bit nobler and less dark than 40k. It is not 40k.
I don't think its bad writing in anyway. Don't be reductive.
It's AoS' equivalent of the Great Rift - it will ominously devour Red Shirts but named characters will never be affected by it.
2021/05/08 20:27:44
Subject: Warhammer Fest Online! May 5th to 8th, 6pm BST! 5 days in!
It's almost sad.
Primaris Stormcast. Day ruined, thanks Obama.
