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Thanks to the people actually reading the comic itself and putting their feedback here. For the rest having only prejudices, better to ignore them.

It was ok. I miss the buddy dynamic the Calgar comic had between him and the Tech Priest. The Inquisitor seems somewhat oddly ill informed or poor at his job so far but we’ll see.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:
the comic creators of yesteryear weren't in the newspaper editorial sections screaming there political allegiances and demonizing anyone who disagrees with them....oh yeah they where also not telling people who don't like said political beliefs to not buy their product. Now they are wondering why a lot of said audience isn't buying their products anymore?

... you're being serious?

Oh, my sweet summer child.

honestly at this rate I think we need a name for people thinking progressive content in a medium is a new thing because the old material they've seen has been caught up with and is now mainstream thought even among more conservitive elements.

“Progressive” content isn’t new. It’s just been pervasive and invasive during these times, and many resent the fact that they can’t escape the constant moralizing and pontificating of “Woke” culture.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:
the comic creators of yesteryear weren't in the newspaper editorial sections screaming there political allegiances and demonizing anyone who disagrees with them....oh yeah they where also not telling people who don't like said political beliefs to not buy their product. Now they are wondering why a lot of said audience isn't buying their products anymore?

... you're being serious?

Oh, my sweet summer child.

honestly at this rate I think we need a name for people thinking progressive content in a medium is a new thing because the old material they've seen has been caught up with and is now mainstream thought even among more conservitive elements.

lol, such a term would encompass the liberal activists working at Marvel who constantly tell us comics was a bigoted boys club and that with every issue they SHATTER YET ANOTHER GLASS CEILING. They are, quite literally, the biggest, most explicit proponents of the idea that comics were bigoted inside and outside before 2010. I am amused at normies/secret extremists who try to set the record straight to people who actually follow comics, "Well ACKSHUALLY comics have ALWAYS been political! Here just look at this one saying Nazis are bad in 1941. They really took strong stands! And here's Stan Lee saying be nice, he'd totally support Marvel writers who literally tell their own readers to go eff themselves on forums and Twitter, while also pleading with them to never buy their books. And he'd high five them for tanking their sales and watching idly as manga books took over their spot in the dwindling number of remaining comic book stores, right before they cancelled him." You all would be amazed at how much you don't know about some things when you are in fact completely ignorant about them, but trying to sound smart and good on the internet.

As to their Warhammer comics, total waste of time trying to reach a wider audience, or even a small sub-section of their own audience. Back when they still tracked comic sales, off-shoot books by Marvel and DC often didn't sell 10,000 copies to stores, and of course a sale to a store doesn't mean a sale to a customer. They'd be way better off doing mangas with a Japanese company. They may even make money doing them.

 frankelee wrote:
As to their Warhammer comics, total waste of time trying to reach a wider audience, or even a small sub-section of their own audience. Back when they still tracked comic sales, off-shoot books by Marvel and DC often didn't sell 10,000 copies to stores, and of course a sale to a store doesn't mean a sale to a customer. They'd be way better off doing mangas with a Japanese company. They may even make money doing them.

Back then meaning... what? June? Comic sales are being tracked still.

https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2021/2021-06.html

I guess in a month or two you could see approximate figures of the 40k comics.

That said, they probably could be better off doing manga, given mangakas tend to be even cheaper, and of course, B/W is cheaper to produce.




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Dread Master wrote:
“Progressive” content isn’t new. It’s just been pervasive and invasive during these times, and many resent the fact that they can’t escape the constant moralizing and pontificating of “Woke” culture.

Show us on the doll where they touch you, son.

God, can you imagine if Alan Moore's Watchmen comic had been political? What a nightmare

Cannot we have a thread about comics without the "They can't keep the politics out of my comics" crowd coming to put politics into my comic related threads?

 Galas wrote:
Cannot we have a thread about comics without the "They can't keep the politics out of my comics" crowd coming to put politics into my comic related threads?

what they're really upset about is "politics they don't agree with" anyway.

If comic book content is nothing but politics, race baiting, or antagonistic to half the readership, naturally all discussion about them will descend into political debate.

"Dont talk about politics!"

--Literally sell war propaganda pamphlets

Wasn't it revealed recently that Cap was a Hydra/Nazi agent all along anyway? Obviously he was pulling his punches in that picture.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Cannot we have a thread about comics without the "They can't keep the politics out of my comics" crowd coming to put politics into my comic related threads?

what they're really upset about is "politics they don't agree with" anyway.

Indeed.

That you say this with absolutely no self awareness is the scary part.

BrianDavion wrote:
honestly at this rate I think we need a name for people thinking progressive content in a medium is a new thing because the old material they've seen has been caught up with and is now mainstream thought even among more conservitive elements.

I believe the word you're looking for is "ignorant."

Also, I love that everyone's pointing out the politics of 20th c comics, but I think the 18th-19th c. need some love, like Hogarth and Topffer who basically formed the medium (in Europe) with moralizing satire, Goya's anti-war plates, and any number of early modern Japanese hipsters literally risking their necks to make fun of repressive/blundering authorities with their pulps.

Well, I am glad that dakka reminds me that Reddit is not limited to Reddit.

Now to enjoy being away until I forget why I left this place in the first place.

 GaroRobe wrote:
God, can you imagine if Alan Moore's Watchmen comic had been political? What a nightmare

Eh, just imagine how horrible X-men would be if they were about some sort of oppressed minority!

Cronch wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
God, can you imagine if Alan Moore's Watchmen comic had been political? What a nightmare

Eh, just imagine how horrible X-men would be if they were about some sort of oppressed minority!

And of course there's this story line
https://www.cbr.com/captain-america-secret-empire-president-nixon/

BrianDavion wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Cannot we have a thread about comics without the "They can't keep the politics out of my comics" crowd coming to put politics into my comic related threads?

what they're really upset about is "politics they don't agree with" anyway.

I bought a few days ago DC Comics' Dead Planet. No content of SJW politics. Just stay away from obvious trash and you will be fine.

 Galas wrote:
Cannot we have a thread about comics without the "They can't keep the politics out of my comics" crowd coming to put politics into my comic related threads?

I refuse to read this trash because is obviously a woke, SJW female reboot of the Calgar comic.

I base this on the fact there is a woman on the cover and nothing else.

I will stick with my classic non-political books like GI Joe, Captain America and Suicide Squad thank you very much


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BrianDavion wrote:



yeaaah comic books ain't political until recently tooooootally. ohh wait.. THEY WHERE

Spoiler:

See that? Published in MARCH 1941, 9 months BEFORE the US entered WW2, the book effectively said "Nazi's are bad and the US should be in the war" that was a pretty strong political statement at the time

I can't stand how all these young fans are all like "Old comics weren't political! It's only since March 1941 that they turned all woke!"

Not even.

Here's Superman in 1938 stopping a lynching.



And in 1939 kidnapping two opposing generals and making them fight it out so their troops don't have to die.


Harmless escapist fun no? Lynching and world wars certainly weren't big controversial issues in 1930s America.

I'd go back further but comic books literally did not exist much earlier than that. The first comic was 1933, but was just reprints of newspaper strips. The first that published original content wasn't till 1935.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
The first comic was 1933, but was just reprints of newspaper strips. The first that published original content wasn't till 1935.

First modern comic book. The strips were already comics, and there were many earlier books that are easily recognizable as comics. But yeah, there are so many "firsts" and it's hard to find gaps between new entertainment and those damned politics sneaking in. Superman which got real momentum going with that iconic car lift started with the fantasy of being a mild-mannered orphaned immigrant reporter with super powers he used to beat up mobsters and government corruption.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

I refuse to read this trash because is obviously a woke, SJW female reboot of the Calgar comic.

I base this on the fact there is a woman on the cover and nothing else.

I will stick with my classic non-political books like GI Joe, Captain America and Suicide Squad thank you very much

You had me very concerned for a second, I even released a disappointed groan before reading the second line.

Avoiding the predictably pointless and circular discussion of whether science discovered political opinions before or after the year 2010, I'm not shocked at the lukewarm results of this comic, given that it was published by Marvel.

God only knows why this is, but I cannot think of a single time Marvel successfully created a compelling storyline which focused on ridiculousness and spectacle over proper characterization and personal stakes. In fact, some of Marvel's historically lowest-quality releases have been those which put their emphasis on shocking or wowing the audience (think Ultimatium and the Liefeld era, for instance). The only exceptions I can think of are the original Infinity Gauntlet and Spider-Verse stories, although even Spider-Verse is a direct continuation of the clearly personal drama between Peter and Ezekiel back in 2004. DC has a universally better track record when it comes to the action and explosions side of the industry, and, unlike Marvel, actually knows how to tell personal stories while still maintaining high-stakes situations. I'm not sure why GW made the decision to work with Marvel on this project over DC, especially since Disney is notoriously not the easiest for other companies to work with.

Does anyone else have any thoughts about this?

In the last few years Marvel has returned to licensed works in a big way.

Marvel's licensing was huge in the 70s and 80s (Conan, Star Wars, GI Joe were some of their top sellers) but from the 90s on they focused on their own IP.

Some of the licenses today are part of the greater Disney family (Star Wars again, Aliens now) but others are owned outside (Conan again, Stephen King) so I'd guess that they're happy to take the cash even if they don't own the IP.

As for the comics, I'll wait for reviews and the trade. I found Calgar fun, wasn't too impressed with the twist, I didn't feel like it added anything, but I wasn't annoyed either. 3 stars/5




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 spiralingcadaver wrote:
the fantasy of being a mild-mannered orphaned immigrant reporter with super powers he used to beat up mobsters and government corruption.

Weird huh. It's like all those Jewish immigrant kids writing and drawing comics had some kind of message they were trying to promote or something.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
In the last few years Marvel has returned to licensed works in a big way.

Marvel's licensing was huge in the 70s and 80s (Conan, Star Wars, GI Joe were some of their top sellers) but form the 90s on they focused on their own IP.

Some of the licenses today are part of the greater Disney family (Star Wars again, Aliens now) but others are owned outside (Conan again, Stephen King) so I'd guess that they're happy to take the cash even if they don't own the IP.

As for the comics, I'll wait for reviews and the trade. I found Calgar fun, wasn't too impressed with the twist, I didn't feel like it added anything, but I wasn't annoyed either. 3 stars/5




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 spiralingcadaver wrote:
the fantasy of being a mild-mannered orphaned immigrant reporter with super powers he used to beat up mobsters and government corruption.

Weird huh. It's like all those Jewish immigrant kids writing and drawing comics had some kind of message they were trying to promote or something.

a political message? in comic books? don't be silly, that;s a NEW thing!

Cryptek of Awesome wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Forgive me if it's been stated before, but the main character isn't some random Sister.

It's meant to be the sister from the infamous Blache artwork of her posing with very long legs on a pile of bones. (This was later made into a model, but sadly in finecast.)

Ahh yes the famous Long Legs Lucy.

In issue 3 marvel reveals how the real Long Legs Lucy was killed by chaos cultists and her humble squiress Short Shanks Shirly has to step out of the shadows to assume her identity, strike a pose, and save the galaxy.

She's got some long boots to fill!

By god, they recycled the calgar comic.

BrianDavion wrote:

 FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
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The difference is the 40 year old comics actually had editors and people who could tell a story. A lot of comics now a days are just - pictures, things happens, word bubbles-. There is no coherent plot, minor spelling and syntax errors aren't caught and oh yeah the big one..... the comic creators of yesteryear weren't in the newspaper editorial sections screaming there political allegiances and demonizing anyone who disagrees with them....oh yeah they where also not telling people who don't like said political beliefs to not buy their product. Now they are wondering why a lot of said audience isn't buying their products anymore?

yeaaah comic books ain't political until recently tooooootally. ohh wait.. THEY WHERE



See that? Published in MARCH 1941, 9 months BEFORE the US entered WW2, the book effectively said "Nazi's are bad and the US should be in the war" that was a pretty strong political statement at the time

Man that is a boring cover. Everyone loves posting that one to prove comics are political but the real good one to show that they are political is this one.

I guess it's a good thing there were no predominantly black Axis powers...

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Cannot we have a thread about comics without the "They can't keep the politics out of my comics" crowd coming to put politics into my comic related threads?

I refuse to read this trash because is obviously a woke, SJW female reboot of the Calgar comic.

I base this on the fact there is a woman on the cover and nothing else.

I will stick with my classic non-political books like GI Joe, Captain America and Suicide Squad thank you very much


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BrianDavion wrote:



yeaaah comic books ain't political until recently tooooootally. ohh wait.. THEY WHERE

Spoiler:

See that? Published in MARCH 1941, 9 months BEFORE the US entered WW2, the book effectively said "Nazi's are bad and the US should be in the war" that was a pretty strong political statement at the time

I can't stand how all these young fans are all like "Old comics weren't political! It's only since March 1941 that they turned all woke!"

Not even.

Here's Superman in 1938 stopping a lynching.

Spoiler:

And in 1939 kidnapping two opposing generals and making them fight it out so their troops don't have to die.

Spoiler:

Harmless escapist fun no? Lynching and world wars certainly weren't big controversial issues in 1930s America.

I'd go back further but comic books literally did not exist much earlier than that. The first comic was 1933, but was just reprints of newspaper strips. The first that published original content wasn't till 1935.

Or stealing Indian... land.... O' no




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 Albertorius wrote:
I guess it's a good thing there were no predominantly black Axis powers...

Dont ask that as you shall recieve.

It's not that comics are political, it is that inherently it doesn't make it a good comic. In fact, it could make it far worse or even the date the comic. You look at stuff like this and you can't say it isn't political. I think it is by far the resurgence of outright preachy books these days and caustic authors that if you don't like the book and offer any critic they will attack you.

Yeah not all the politics were ones we'd agree with.

A lot of the early Superman stories were about how he worked to keep the US out of that darn European war.

Maybe I'd better stick with some nice apolitical movies instead.

But that right there is the example, it's preachy garbage that instantly dated itself in how wrong it is only a few years later.


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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Yeah not all the politics were ones we'd agree with.

A lot of the early Superman stories were about how he worked to keep the US out of that darn European war.

Maybe I'd better stick with some nice apolitical movies instead.

Besides that, this is surely political as well.

 BlackoCatto wrote:
Dont ask that as you shall recieve.

It's not that comics are political, it is that inherently it doesn't make it a good comic. In fact, it could make it far worse or even the date the comic. You look at stuff like this and you can't say it isn't political. I think it is by far the resurgence of outright preachy books these days and caustic authors that if you don't like the book and offer any critic they will attack you.

Well... not what I asked, not what I received.

I also completely disagree that politics don't make for a good comic. Politics are part and parcel of human nature, and a comic devoid of it (or rather, devoid of any that don't agree with you) is, IMHO, a diminished product.

Also impossible.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

A lot of the early Superman stories were about how he worked to keep the US out of that darn European war.

Most American citizens weren't interested in a European war either.

Just like most American citizens weren't interested in the Middle East.

Governments and Politicians however...

 Albertorius wrote:

 BlackoCatto wrote:
Dont ask that as you shall recieve.

It's not that comics are political, it is that inherently it doesn't make it a good comic. In fact, it could make it far worse or even the date the comic. You look at stuff like this and you can't say it isn't political. I think it is by far the resurgence of outright preachy books these days and caustic authors that if you don't like the book and offer any critic they will attack you.

Well... not what I asked, not what I received.

I also completely disagree that politics don't make for a good comic. Politics are part and parcel of human nature, and a comic devoid of it (or rather, devoid of any that don't agree with you) is, IMHO, a diminished product.

Also impossible.

And you didn't read other, I said inherently it doesn't make it a good comic. Not that a comic with politics can't ever be good.