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I view this as more of a logistics thing for GW, it allows them to retire F&F as with this book all the rules will now be updated elsewhere.

I think the better way to retire that book would be to release a new Chaos Codex.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think the better way to retire that book would be to release a new Chaos Codex.

proably, but maybe chaos is getting a nice juicy splash release.

one can hope..

Or a plastic Huron Blackheart and a nice pat on the back.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:It's just the stuff from PA and Vigilus Ablaze. It's the stuff that was supposed to "tide us over" in 8th, but NOW IN 9TH! IN EXCITING NEW PACKAGING! BUY TWO!!! TELL YOUR FRIENDS!

I'm hoping that this delay of the codex means that something big is coming along, with lots of model releases.

I wouldn't bank on it; it's certainly possible, but CSM already had a big release in 8th when the codex reprint came out.

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:It's just the stuff from PA and Vigilus Ablaze. It's the stuff that was supposed to "tide us over" in 8th, but NOW IN 9TH! IN EXCITING NEW PACKAGING! BUY TWO!!! TELL YOUR FRIENDS!

I'm hoping that this delay of the codex means that something big is coming along, with lots of model releases.

I wouldn't bank on it; it's certainly possible, but CSM already had a big release in 8th when the codex reprint came out.

Given how many releases are split up into two waves over a short period of time in the recent past (e.g. Lumineth x2, Hedonites x2, Sisters x2, Primaris x2), and with some substantial holes in the CSM range (e.g. a number of finecast characters, old Possessed, etc), that doesn't mean as much as it once did.

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:It's just the stuff from PA and Vigilus Ablaze. It's the stuff that was supposed to "tide us over" in 8th, but NOW IN 9TH! IN EXCITING NEW PACKAGING! BUY TWO!!! TELL YOUR FRIENDS!

I'm hoping that this delay of the codex means that something big is coming along, with lots of model releases.

I wouldn't bank on it; it's certainly possible, but CSM already had a big release in 8th when the codex reprint came out.

maybe on the other hand a lot of the codices that saw releases during 8th edition have gotten a follow up wave. I could def see CSMs getting that.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Which is why they shouldn't have wasted the paper and ink. Unless "formatted for the new edition" means significant changes to the strategems and such. I seriously doubt that happening. Remember the Fallen "update" in WD?

Reading the text again today, I feel the consolidation is the selling point here and we should not expect any meaningful changes.

The book also collates a range of existing rules...With all of these rules in one place

"formatted for the current edition" actually means the layout/presentation, I believe :(

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:It's just the stuff from PA and Vigilus Ablaze. It's the stuff that was supposed to "tide us over" in 8th, but NOW IN 9TH! IN EXCITING NEW PACKAGING! BUY TWO!!! TELL YOUR FRIENDS!

I'm hoping that this delay of the codex means that something big is coming along, with lots of model releases.

I wouldn't bank on it; it's certainly possible, but CSM already had a big release in 8th when the codex reprint came out.

Given how many releases are split up into two waves over a short period of time in the recent past (e.g. Lumineth x2, Hedonites x2, Sisters x2, Primaris x2), and with some substantial holes in the CSM range (e.g. a number of finecast characters, old Possessed, etc), that doesn't mean as much as it once did.

GW doesn't see holes in the range as an issue.

I mean, loyal marines still have metal models for very popular characters and GW never cared about that. If loyal marines don't get something, you can be sure that the spiky cousins don't get that either.

a_typical_hero wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Which is why they shouldn't have wasted the paper and ink. Unless "formatted for the new edition" means significant changes to the strategems and such. I seriously doubt that happening. Remember the Fallen "update" in WD?

Reading the text again today, I feel the consolidation is the selling point here and we should not expect any meaningful changes.

The book also collates a range of existing rules...With all of these rules in one place

"formatted for the current edition" actually means the layout/presentation, I believe :(

Which would make this into preorder dlc of content you already had acess to.

Spoletta wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:It's just the stuff from PA and Vigilus Ablaze. It's the stuff that was supposed to "tide us over" in 8th, but NOW IN 9TH! IN EXCITING NEW PACKAGING! BUY TWO!!! TELL YOUR FRIENDS!

I'm hoping that this delay of the codex means that something big is coming along, with lots of model releases.

I wouldn't bank on it; it's certainly possible, but CSM already had a big release in 8th when the codex reprint came out.

Given how many releases are split up into two waves over a short period of time in the recent past (e.g. Lumineth x2, Hedonites x2, Sisters x2, Primaris x2), and with some substantial holes in the CSM range (e.g. a number of finecast characters, old Possessed, etc), that doesn't mean as much as it once did.

GW doesn't see holes in the range as an issue.

I mean, loyal marines still have metal models for very popular characters and GW never cared about that. If loyal marines don't get something, you can be sure that the spiky cousins don't get that either.

Doesn't change a thing I said. Comparing loyalist marines to anybody is foolish just because of the sheer number of models they have, & a cursory glance at e.g. the number of finecast/metal CSM characters removed over the last 5-6 years (Kharn, Ahriman, Abaddon, Typhus, Fabius, DA, Sorcerer, etc) shows a clear trend.

They could at least give us some new Berzerkers, Possessed, and Noise Marines. Those guys haven't aged well, and Noise Marines aren't even an actual kit, but a resin upgrade sprue.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
Don't you play Ultramarines?

Played blue hands - Ultramarines have a god awful chapter tactic...

 Xenomancers wrote:
First of all I will just point out. I play Ultramarines no matter what. I'm not gonna play white scars cause they have been rules. Because I have honor.

Decided winning was better than honour, hmm?

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
They could at least give us some new Berzerkers, Possessed, and Noise Marines. Those guys haven't aged well, and Noise Marines aren't even an actual kit, but a resin upgrade sprue.

Possessed I am optimistic for, if we get a second wave; Jes Goodwin said they wanted to do smaller possessed on the GW YT when they released the GPs. Hopefully that's code for "we've already done them/are doing them". Fingers crossed anyway, as a Possessed kit these days would be spectacular.

Cult units I only expect when their corresponding codex is released.

I am going to have such a laugh, if the 1ksons and GK codex end up being, old codex+PA+FAQ changes-nerfs and removal of some rules, like superhuman physilogy for non primaris etc.

Karol wrote:
I am going to have such a laugh, if the 1ksons and GK codex end up being, old codex+PA+FAQ changes-nerfs and removal of some rules, like superhuman physilogy for non primaris etc.

That's excessively cynical.

Karol wrote:
I am going to have such a laugh, if the 1ksons and GK codex end up being, old codex+PA+FAQ changes-nerfs and removal of some rules, like superhuman physilogy for non primaris etc.

Well there are a few things we know:

- Yes, all of the material from the old dexes + PAs is likely to be there; it will be updated with the new weapon profiles and stat lines
- Both will have Crusade Content added
- Strats for both will be categorized; unit specific strats will be reduced, and the list of strats likely expanded
- GW will look to amp up the things about the army that make it distinct
- The books should fit and balance better with other 9th ed books

Pre-nerf Drukhari and speculations about some OP material in Admech have minimized the perception that 9th ed books are balanced, but we did see greater representation from several factions in top spots than previously.

I imagine both books will also see the missing additional Wound crop up where appropriate, too.

I dread to think the kind of fudging up the good ol GW is going to do with the chaos rules in this book... There is so much going on with chaos I wonder what they going to fuge up the most..

This book has some rumoured Ork rules in it right? I imagine it may contain rules for a pure beast-snagga force, with it's restriction being no other Orks being able to be taken.

It will be highly competitive and will incentivise Ork players to buy the new Ork kits.

That would show a level of coordination and forethought well above GW's typical capabilities.

 Argive wrote:
I dread to think the kind of fudging up the good ol GW is going to do with the chaos rules in this book... There is so much going on with chaos I wonder what they going to fuge up the most..

Easy. Not put a 9th edition codex in there... no 2W chaos space marines, no functioning rules, the same way they fethed 40k up for chaos for the past few years because that is all that will be in the book is the past 2 years of chaos rules, and some patch that gives what at best would be fun fluffy rules to add to a functioning army, sans a functioning army of course.

Jarms48 wrote:This book has some rumoured Ork rules in it right? I imagine it may contain rules for a pure beast-snagga force, with it's restriction being no other Orks being able to be taken.

It will be highly competitive and will incentivise Ork players to buy the new Ork kits.

You mean a better incentive that making awesome looking models that people have been asking about for years AND not giving us the codex unless you buy them?

yukishiro1 wrote:That would show a level of coordination and forethought well above GW's typical capabilities.

Yeah, considering how terrible the DG rules from the book of rust are and that the main competitive gain from it was a bug, I'm not expecting high quality content.

If they expand on the obolis campaign thing I might be getting it, but definitely not for four pages of DLC rules that I can just copy manually with pen and paper.

Have 9th codexes reduced unit specific strats?
I felt like there are a lot more unit specific strats in my Blood Angels now.

 kirotheavenger wrote:
Have 9th codexes reduced unit specific strats?
I felt like there are a lot more unit specific strats in my Blood Angels now.

I think you're probably right. A lot of the "fights twice" strats now seem to be unit specific rather than generic. There are also quite a few unit-specific ones for Necrons that didn't exist before. Tomb Blades and Lychguard got new unit-specific srats, for example.

Same for DG, every daemon engine got a unit-specific stratagem as well as chaos spawns, pox walkers have kept two with slightly changed rules, helbrute got to keep one of theirs.
There also is a plague marine specific one, but unit-locking it seems to be for future-proofing only, as no other unit has plague knives.

Jarms48 wrote:
This book has some rumoured Ork rules in it right? I imagine it may contain rules for a pure beast-snagga force, with it's restriction being no other Orks being able to be taken.

It will be highly competitive and will incentivise Ork players to buy the new Ork kits.

No not this book.

I think you are thinking of the early and limited edition Ork codex that will come in the beast snagga box?

EightFoldPath wrote:

Jarms48 wrote:
This book has some rumoured Ork rules in it right? I imagine it may contain rules for a pure beast-snagga force, with it's restriction being no other Orks being able to be taken.

It will be highly competitive and will incentivise Ork players to buy the new Ork kits.

No not this book.

I think you are thinking of the early and limited edition Ork codex that will come in the beast snagga box?

are we sure it's an ORK codex then and not that beastsanggza are a new army?

because the only time an actual new CODEX came out in an army box was sisters

I think GW has been pretty clear that the Beastsnaggaz are a new addition to Orks. Lumineth also got their first Battletome in an Army Box.

 Gert wrote:
I think GW has been pretty clear that the Beastsnaggaz are a new addition to Orks. Lumineth also got their first Battletome in an Army Box.

yeah just was curious, as back in 8th when "soup" was the order of the day you saw a lot of people expressing envy that chaos and Imperium (especially Imperium) had so many ingrediants and xenos did not. but yeah, you're proably right. as I notice Ork releases seem to be done in "flavours" last time was speed freaks, now it's beast snaggza.