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 Jidmah wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
I had a homebrew Codex I wrote for the GK in 7th (part of a broader Inquisition overhaul) that I liked; I don't know where it is, but I remember trying to go back to the 5e-style unique psychic powers per GK unit to try and expand their capabilities and give them distinct roles rather than the usual seven slightly different force-weapons-and-psycannons teams GW usually writes

Yeah, I never understood why they did away with those unit-specific powers, they really should get those back instead of cherry picking from disciplines.

I haven't gone down the GK rabbit hole yet, so it's still a clean slate for me.

But when when sisters AoF went with specific acts for specific units? That took me out of the game for two editions.

If you want to ADD a unit specific power that a GK player can CHOOSE to take instead of a generic one, I'm right there with you- I think that's nice and fluffy. But if you want to say to every unit on the list: you used to be able to choose from 6 different things you could do, but now you only get one... Yeah, hard pass.

Like, see you in another two editions hard pass.

I was more thinking along the lines of "instead of smite" similar to those warlock powers, possibly without cast restriction.

Currently when I face GK, it feels like half the army is limited to smiting stuff.

It's been forever since I looked at PA or the 8th GK dex- especially knowing 9th is on the way; and certainly, if all they're getting now is smite, then even a unit based bespoke power could be an upgrade. I am certainly far from a GK expert.

They have two discplines to chose from (I think?) but since you can cast each power only once, and not every power is useful every turn, eventually they just resort to doing that.

Oh dear, it looks like the Chaos rules are just consolidated rules from PA etc. Ouch.

Made me laugh out loud to see them hyping as a reason to buy their new $50 book that they'll include a compendium of out-of-date last-edition rules in it...instead of, you know, actually updating said rules to 9th edition. What you might actually want to pay money for.

GW is getting more and more shameless with these releases.

yukishiro1 wrote:
Made me laugh out loud to see them hyping as a reason to buy their new $50 book that they'll include a compendium of out-of-date last-edition rules in it...instead of, you know, actually updating said rules to 9th edition. What you might actually want to pay money for.

GW is getting more and more shameless with these releases.

You're being disingenuous....







It's a $60 book

I hope these rules are just meant to tide over CSM players until the codex, instead of being the actual 9th edition rules.

yukishiro1 wrote:
Made me laugh out loud to see them hyping as a reason to buy their new $50 book that they'll include a compendium of out-of-date last-edition rules in it...instead of, you know, actually updating said rules to 9th edition. What you might actually want to pay money for.

GW is getting more and more shameless with these releases.

So the same formula they used with CSM "2": "Here's the rules you already paid for, but IN ONE BOOK! Please, pay us for the privilege of carrying around less books!" It's at least nice to see they're still treating CSM players with the same respect we've been given for the last 5 editions.


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 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I hope these rules are just meant to tide over CSM players until the codex, instead of being the actual 9th edition rules.

It's just the stuff from PA and Vigilus Ablaze. It's the stuff that was supposed to "tide us over" in 8th, but NOW IN 9TH! IN EXCITING NEW PACKAGING! BUY TWO!!! TELL YOUR FRIENDS!

xerxeskingofking wrote:
Its worth pointing out that GW's schedule is still recovering form the Wider Global Situation, and i think its very likely that the CSM codex was originally intended to be released July or August, but got pushed back/other releases were given priority.
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That doesn't seem likely. If anything, this book is delayed. There isn't any need to collate all the various out-of-date material if the Codex is just around the corner.
This really suggests that codex CSM is a long way off yet.


What's really surprising (to me, anyway) is that they're wrapping this non-entity of a campaign up with a grand total of two books (of dross and filler) for a handful of factions.

Voss wrote:

xerxeskingofking wrote:
Its worth pointing out that GW's schedule is still recovering form the Wider Global Situation, and i think its very likely that the CSM codex was originally intended to be released July or August, but got pushed back/other releases were given priority.
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That doesn't seem likely. If anything, this book is delayed. There isn't any need to collate all the various out-of-date material if the Codex is just around the corner.
This really suggests that codex CSM is a long way off yet.


What's really surprising (to me, anyway) is that they're wrapping this non-entity of a campaign up with a grand total of two books (of dross and filler) for a handful of factions.

Yeah, but the next non-entity is already announced, so it's not like it's really over. They're just changing the name to try to make people think it's something new.

It probably didn't sell well because it was crap.

What annoys me about these campaign books is that they contain a narrative campaign and minimal crusade related rules, but then release another sidebook specifically for crusade alongside it. I might consider the price of entry a bit nicer to swallow if the campaign book also contained the crusade book contents.

 Eldarsif wrote:
What annoys me about these campaign books is that they contain a narrative campaign and minimal crusade related rules, but then release another sidebook specifically for crusade alongside it. I might consider the price of entry a bit nicer to swallow if the campaign book also contained the crusade book contents.

I suspect that's a lack of confidence in how their '3 ways to play' really sells to people.
They don't have faith that mixed products (outside the codex line) will sell to 'narrative' or 'matched' players, so they market to them individually as if there's no overlap between them.
Or they expect people will pay twice. Either way they're misreading the market.

I try not to be too negative but this treatment of CSM is utter horse s**t. Why update these guys in a campaign book for a codex which will be obsolete this time next year at the most. I am not buying this. Maybe with an FAQ to add two wounds to the proper units this would be worthwhile. Which would not be that hard. But a reprint of existing rules that will most likely be changed within a year (probably much less). No thank you.

Hmm... either this is a woefully inadequate patch designed to sate chaos space marine players until the codex releases way the heck later or they are trying to trick us into buying 2 codices in less than 2 years like they did the loyalist marine players... either way that’s pretty dirty.

 xeen wrote:
I try not to be too negative but this treatment of CSM is utter horse s**t. Why update these guys in a campaign book for a codex which will be obsolete this time next year at the most. I am not buying this. Maybe with an FAQ to add two wounds to the proper units this would be worthwhile. Which would not be that hard. But a reprint of existing rules that will most likely be changed within a year (probably much less). No thank you.

remember that the marine supplements for 8.5 haven't been replaced yet so it's possiable GW doesn't plan to replacement SUPPLEMENTS on a "edition basis"

That would be a good thing.

On one hand, I think this means that the CSM book is a while away, which could indicate great things for us. The EC dream is still alive.

On the other hand, what an absolute joke of a release and a waste of paper. Par for the course with relation to their treatment of CSM players.

Racerguy180 wrote:
That would be a good thing.

I agree.


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 Marshal Loss wrote:
On one hand, I think this means that the CSM book is a while away, which could indicate great things for us. The EC dream is still alive.

On the other hand, what an absolute joke of a release and a waste of paper. Par for the course with relation to their treatment of CSM players.

the fault lies more in the CSM CODEX then the supplementry material. I mean.... the phrase "polishing a turd" comes to mind,

CSM players wish their turd of a Codex could be described as "polished."

BrianDavion wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
On one hand, I think this means that the CSM book is a while away, which could indicate great things for us. The EC dream is still alive.

On the other hand, what an absolute joke of a release and a waste of paper. Par for the course with relation to their treatment of CSM players.

the fault lies more in the CSM CODEX then the supplementry material. I mean.... the phrase "polishing a turd" comes to mind,

Which is precisely why repackaging and selling said supplementary material (the oldest of which is barely 2 years old) at a $60 USD premium with no substantive alterations when they're not even prepared to give us a 2W holdover FAQ is a waste of everybody's time.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
Made me laugh out loud to see them hyping as a reason to buy their new $50 book that they'll include a compendium of out-of-date last-edition rules in it...instead of, you know, actually updating said rules to 9th edition. What you might actually want to pay money for.

GW is getting more and more shameless with these releases.

So the same formula they used with CSM "2": "Here's the rules you already paid for, but IN ONE BOOK! Please, pay us for the privilege of carrying around less books!" It's at least nice to see they're still treating CSM players with the same respect we've been given for the last 5 editions.


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 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I hope these rules are just meant to tide over CSM players until the codex, instead of being the actual 9th edition rules.

It's just the stuff from PA and Vigilus Ablaze. It's the stuff that was supposed to "tide us over" in 8th, but NOW IN 9TH! IN EXCITING NEW PACKAGING! BUY TWO!!! TELL YOUR FRIENDS!

Somehow these legends managed to do something I'd think impossible. They took my already beyond low expectations and made them appear lofty by comparison to the reality of it all. Amazing GW, you deserve a toast, Cheers.

yukishiro1 wrote:
Made me laugh out loud to see them hyping as a reason to buy their new $50 book that they'll include a compendium of out-of-date last-edition rules in it...instead of, you know, actually updating said rules to 9th edition. What you might actually want to pay money for.

GW is getting more and more shameless with these releases.

And people are still going to buy the Limited Edition version...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
Made me laugh out loud to see them hyping as a reason to buy their new $50 book that they'll include a compendium of out-of-date last-edition rules in it...instead of, you know, actually updating said rules to 9th edition. What you might actually want to pay money for.

GW is getting more and more shameless with these releases.

And people are still going to buy the Limited Edition version...

It's limited, that means it's better. We gotta have it before its burned and churned away in a few months. So of course we gots to have it.

Would it have been that hard to add a wound to Chaos Marines? Even with 2 wounds we still die like guardsmen but at least would feel like a fight with 2 wounds.

yukishiro1 wrote:
Made me laugh out loud to see them hyping as a reason to buy their new $50 book that they'll include a compendium of out-of-date last-edition rules in it...instead of, you know, actually updating said rules to 9th edition. What you might actually want to pay money for.

GW is getting more and more shameless with these releases.

I should have expected they wouldn't be able to put enough rules into the book to make a difference and that copy pasta was the result. Still ridiculously disappointing. Another hard pass now.

The AoS "campaign" books seem to be much better than 40k. They have good rules and narrative content that isn't invalidated super fast. There are dumb things like the Lumineth update coming only a few months after the first Battletome and it is quite funny that Broken Realms: Kragnos came out like a week ago and Kragnos is going to be in the new Orruk Warclans book that'll be out in a couple of months but even still I've considered getting all of the BR books just for the large amount of Cities of Sigmar stuff they've added. They actually add ways to play armies that provide narrative choices while also not being too good or bad.
I only got the Vigilus books because my armies were rubbish without them, same with the PA books and even then they were pretty awful.

Gadzilla666 wrote:It's just the stuff from PA and Vigilus Ablaze. It's the stuff that was supposed to "tide us over" in 8th, but NOW IN 9TH! IN EXCITING NEW PACKAGING! BUY TWO!!! TELL YOUR FRIENDS!

I'm hoping that this delay of the codex means that something big is coming along, with lots of model releases.

Is this going to be the book that has Be'lakor's rules?

Daedalus81 wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
Made me laugh out loud to see them hyping as a reason to buy their new $50 book that they'll include a compendium of out-of-date last-edition rules in it...instead of, you know, actually updating said rules to 9th edition. What you might actually want to pay money for.

GW is getting more and more shameless with these releases.

I should have expected they wouldn't be able to put enough rules into the book to make a difference and that copy pasta was the result. Still ridiculously disappointing. Another hard pass now.

Which is why they shouldn't have wasted the paper and ink. Unless "formatted for the new edition" means significant changes to the strategems and such. I seriously doubt that happening. Remember the Fallen "update" in WD?

ArcaneHorror wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:It's just the stuff from PA and Vigilus Ablaze. It's the stuff that was supposed to "tide us over" in 8th, but NOW IN 9TH! IN EXCITING NEW PACKAGING! BUY TWO!!! TELL YOUR FRIENDS!

I'm hoping that this delay of the codex means that something big is coming along, with lots of model releases.

Is this going to be the book that has Be'lakor's rules?

Yes, if $60 sounds like a good value for ONE DATASHEET......