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This is just my opinion of course, but I love everything about the recently previewed ork kits. I think GW hit it out of the park with this one honestly. Which brings me to my main point that this massive ork release gives me hope that we'll see a massive eldar overhaul relatively soon....maybe next year? This year seems to be packed already with grey knights and thousand sons still coming and black templars just being teased yesterday.

I dont think we can read anything into timescales for other Xenos factions get a release from this to be honest.

Its a great release for Orks, but that doesn't mean Eldar will get anything significant in the next few years. Though we can hope of course, just don't see how it's connected.

I also hope Eldar will get a huge release next year. I remember there was a definite eldar rumour engine but seeing the kill team stuff I would put good money on it being related to that. I'm sure that there's mention of eldar in the Octarius system.

The new ork sculpts are so good that I am seriously tempted to start a small force, even though orks are for me the least appealing faction in the setting. I dislike _everything_ about their lore.

A potential Eldar release wave with this kind of creativity would be a majestic sight - GW must already have at least some of those kits prepared and they are probably just holding back for the right slot within their fiscal year cycle.

Looking at the Ork boys, I am thinking about the roughly 200 gaunts and stealers I've assembled and painted.

I wonder what could GW do with the sculpts to make them as detailed as these kits while preserving the uniformity of the waves of cloned Nid bodies. Posing, fresh scars, slightly different mutations...

They did a pretty good job with Necrons.

Would be nice but what we'll get is overbusy troopers with characters festooned in swirly gak, ribbons and tabletop impractcial weapons a la Lumineth

It's pretty obvious that GW are rejuvanating their whole range in waves.

Eldar and Tyranids are coming, only question is when.

I find it odd that when trying to extrapolate what Eldar will get, you look at the Ork release rather than the Dark Eldar release (or lack thereof).

 vipoid wrote:
I find it odd that when trying to extrapolate what Eldar will get, you look at the Ork release rather than the Dark Eldar release (or lack thereof).

2 new hq models and redone inkys is a veritable release tsunami by aeldari standards !

 Turnip Jedi wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
I find it odd that when trying to extrapolate what Eldar will get, you look at the Ork release rather than the Dark Eldar release (or lack thereof).

2 new hq models and redone inkys is a veritable release tsunami by aeldari standards !

One of those new HQs was back in 8th. As were the Incubi.

And Eldar already got an equivalent release back then in the form of Jain Zar and Banshees.


So enjoy your 9th edition "tsunami" of 1 redone HQ, I guess.

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
Would be nice but what we'll get is overbusy troopers with characters festooned in swirly gak, ribbons and tabletop impractcial weapons a la Lumineth

This is my concern as well. Most likely, far too many sousltones,talismans, etc. I dislike the new Banshees, so if those are indicative of new Eldar...........

Already covered this in another thread, but for now I'll make the prediction that Striking Scorpions could be with us sooner rather than later.

 vipoid wrote:

 Turnip Jedi wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
I find it odd that when trying to extrapolate what Eldar will get, you look at the Ork release rather than the Dark Eldar release (or lack thereof).

2 new hq models and redone inkys is a veritable release tsunami by aeldari standards !

One of those new HQs was back in 8th. As were the Incubi.

And Eldar already got an equivalent release back then in the form of Jain Zar and Banshees.


So enjoy your 9th edition "tsunami" of 1 redone HQ, I guess.

Perfect. Another decade and the phoenix lords will be completely plastic.

 vipoid wrote:
I find it odd that when trying to extrapolate what Eldar will get, you look at the Ork release rather than the Dark Eldar release (or lack thereof).

It demonstrates GWs ability and willingness to revamp a significant number of kits for a non Space Marine armies. Sisters, Orks, Necrons receiving this treatment in 9th edition is definitely exciting. It does not mean Craftworld will get the same treatment, but when reviewing the number of units still in Finecast that use designs from 2nd and 4th edition era models, it certainly doesn't rule out the possibility. We shall see what comes of them later this year or early next year if I were to guess.

GW doubling down on Kill Team is good for 40k, and specifically for Striking Scorpions- they are the only Aspect which can currently be played in Kill Team that doesn't have plastic models.

It's also good for the Inquisition and Imperial Agent oddballs.

Why are Drukhari the baseline to look at for a Craftworlds release anyway? The only Drukhari units that aren't plastic are the Archon's Court (Medusae, Lhamians, etc), Mandrakes, the Beastmaster, beast units, Grotesque, and Urien Rakarth. I would say that most of that could also easily be made from the rest of GW's ranges, especially Grotesques and Archon's Court units.

For the Xenos factions, I think GW is expanding on specific sub-cultures of those armies. Orks have the Speed Freaks and more "feral" Orks covered, Necrons got the Royal Court and Destroyer aspects expanded on. Craftworlds could easily see the rest of the Aspects updated alongside the Guardians, sub-culture explored plus basic unit updated like with Necron Warriors and Ork Boyz.

 Gert wrote:
Why are Drukhari the baseline to look at for a Craftworlds release anyway? The only Drukhari units that aren't plastic are the Archon's Court (Medusae, Lhamians, etc), Mandrakes, the Beastmaster, beast units, Grotesque, and Urien Rakarth. I would say that most of that could also easily be made from the rest of GW's ranges, especially Grotesques and Archon's Court units.

For the Xenos factions, I think GW is expanding on specific sub-cultures of those armies. Orks have the Speed Freaks and more "feral" Orks covered, Necrons got the Royal Court and Destroyer aspects expanded on. Craftworlds could easily see the rest of the Aspects updated alongside the Guardians, sub-culture explored plus basic unit updated like with Necron Warriors and Ork Boyz.

They aren't. It is not an accurate correlation. We can all speculate at this point.

These new Orks are mint. Eldar has sooooo much potential to have really beautiful models.

Really want to do an ork army. I think the new eldar models would be so pretty I wouldn’t be able to paint them good enough

Imho it's a double edge situation.

The necron Revamp was largely unannounced wich means GW can do it without giving anything away.

On the other hand the Orks one has been teased a lot with Rumour engine pics (sure they wasn't all soo clear as mostly passed as AoS material due the Beast Snagga nature)

This leads us to the Eldar wich own a quite specific design that can't hardly be confounded with other things unless GW chooses to do something like Exodites.

Also 9th hit on August last year, Orks come in August last year, plus marines and some sister new units... High chances if Eldar get anything wouldn't be anywhere near feb or march next year...
As an educated guess

 vipoid wrote:
I find it odd that when trying to extrapolate what Eldar will get, you look at the Ork release rather than the Dark Eldar release (or lack thereof).

Space Marines, Orks, Eldar, CSM and Guard are the "big five" that have always been big pillars of 40k and have had a big fanbase, large ranges and regular support since the beginning. In polls about who plays what armies these still have more players than any other army.
Armies like necrons, tau, sisters or nids still have many players but have always been more niche and had less support, often going without releases for years.
Drukhari fit more into the third tier, where Grey Knights, Thousand Sons, Death Guard or Custodes reside.
The only group of armies that get less releases than them are extremely limited ones likes Knights, Inquisition or Harlequins.

So looking to orks or necrons for comparison makes a lot more sense than looking to Dark Eldar or Death Guard.

This is why I'm looking to Kill Team; releasing a box of Scorpions as a Kill Team goes around the 40k release cycle. Same is true if they do it for DE Mandrakes.

I think CWE will get a big range refresh type release when their Codex drops, but there's no reason to not drop Scorpions as a Kill Team while we're waiting for that to happen.

Similarly, DE Mandrakes would do a lot to address the grumbling all of us felt when Lelith was all we got in our first wave. Theoretically, KT could be used to deliver plastic Grotesques as well, which would almost get the finecast out of the range.

It’s not the Orks, as such.

It’s Ork and Necrons.

Both have had frankly incredible updates this edition, and I couldn’t put a Rizla between which side got the slightly better treatment.

Old, clapped out designs refreshed, stuff beautifully reimagined. And a slew of entirely new stuff.

I too am hopeful Craftworld Eldar get the same.

With genuine respect for Dark Eldar players, that range is pretty modern as it is. Yes it would be nice to get your old character options back, but in terms of what you can buy from GW right now, it’s really only the Grotesques in particularly dire need, then the Archon’s court.

Craftworld Eldar need a poop load of work. Happily, the same number of releases we’ve seen for Orks and Necrons should just about see the job done, with the room for perhaps a couple of entirely new things dropped in.

 Jidmah wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
I find it odd that when trying to extrapolate what Eldar will get, you look at the Ork release rather than the Dark Eldar release (or lack thereof).

Space Marines, Orks, Eldar, CSM and Guard are the "big five" that have always been big pillars of 40k and have had a big fanbase, large ranges and regular support since the beginning. In polls about who plays what armies these still have more players than any other army.
Armies like necrons, tau, sisters or nids still have many players but have always been more niche and had less support, often going without releases for years.
Drukhari fit more into the third tier, where Grey Knights, Thousand Sons, Death Guard or Custodes reside.
The only group of armies that get less releases than them are extremely limited ones likes Knights, Inquisition or Harlequins.

So looking to orks or necrons for comparison makes a lot more sense than looking to Dark Eldar or Death Guard.

While I agree with you on the general premise of this, I think I have to disagree with Orks being an army that's been heavily supported by GW, especially over Nids. I think Orks are clearly a fan favorite when it comes to lore and enjoying them, I don't think the army adoption is really anywhere near top 5 armies. Support wise, they had a pretty heavy drought with a Codex in 4th until 7th edition right? Meanwhile Nids on the other hand were getting range updates and codexes for nearly every single edition, only really missing one in 7th. If anything, I would say Nids were significantly more popular than Orks since they got so much more support.

I think that will be heavily perspective dependant.

Orks are a tricky army to field in a Tournament, because strict time limits don’t work with large amounts of infantry and careful positioning thereof.

So an otherwise Orky fanatic might have a different army better suited to tight time constraints for competitive play.

I have no data to back this up. It’s just a suspicion.

 vipoid wrote:
I find it odd that when trying to extrapolate what Eldar will get, you look at the Ork release rather than the Dark Eldar release (or lack thereof).

It's not only the Ork release but also the Necron release. So far 2 out of 3 Xenos codexes so far have had a huge wave with some older models being replaced with newer ones. So I understand people's optimism. Doesn't mean all Xenos will get a lot of love, but GW's at a point where they can't release another 20+ Primaris kits so that leaves every other faction open for some development time.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I think that will be heavily perspective dependant.

Orks are a tricky army to field in a Tournament, because strict time limits don’t work with large amounts of infantry and careful positioning thereof.

So an otherwise Orky fanatic might have a different army better suited to tight time constraints for competitive play.

I have no data to back this up. It’s just a suspicion.

I'm not even talking about competitive play, just in general. I live in one of the largest metas and Metroplexes for 40k in the world, and the adoption of Orks is pretty low, and has been for a very long time. Now, this is of course anecdotal, but it lines up a lot with how much support they have been given to GW over the years.

That being said, the Players that do collect orks are fanatics and super dedicated to it. They usually have a huge collection of them.

My guess is it depends what feeds into your meta.

If it’s predominantly competitive and organised play, Orks may well not feature due to my speculation.

They’re also a bit of a sod to collect as an army. A lot of their Best Stuff (Mek guns, I believe) are cheap in points, expensive on price.

 vipoid wrote:
I find it odd that when trying to extrapolate what Eldar will get, you look at the Ork release rather than the Dark Eldar release (or lack thereof).

proably because Orks are an aging army with a lot of old finecast. and CWE are the same, meanwhile Dark Eldar as I understand it got a major revamp around 5th and are mostly plastic.

 Sasori wrote:
While I agree with you on the general premise of this, I think I have to disagree with Orks being an army that's been heavily supported by GW, especially over Nids. I think Orks are clearly a fan favorite when it comes to lore and enjoying them, I don't think the army adoption is really anywhere near top 5 armies. Support wise, they had a pretty heavy drought with a Codex in 4th until 7th edition right? Meanwhile Nids on the other hand were getting range updates and codexes for nearly every single edition, only really missing one in 7th. If anything, I would say Nids were significantly more popular than Orks since they got so much more support.

Orks were part of the AOBR starter in 5th and got plastic storm boyz, nobz, gretchin, battlewagon, deff dread, kanz and stompa during that edition. The three planes arrived in late 5th/early 6th. 7th had the mek wave with nauts, MANz, SAG, pain boy, mini mek, flash gits, Grukk, mek gunz and the wazzbom. 8th had six buggies and later Da Red Gobbo and Thrakka+Makari.

Yeah, the rules were MIA or garbage tier, but orks were never lacking model releases.

But yeah, nids fit more in the first tier, I didn't realize how many kits they have gotten over the years.


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BrianDavion wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
I find it odd that when trying to extrapolate what Eldar will get, you look at the Ork release rather than the Dark Eldar release (or lack thereof).

proably because Orks are an aging army with a lot of old finecast. and CWE are the same, meanwhile Dark Eldar as I understand it got a major revamp around 5th and are mostly plastic.

Outside of characters, the only finecast orks have are kommadoz and tank bustas.

BrianDavion wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
I find it odd that when trying to extrapolate what Eldar will get, you look at the Ork release rather than the Dark Eldar release (or lack thereof).

proably because Orks are an aging army with a lot of old finecast. and CWE are the same, meanwhile Dark Eldar as I understand it got a major revamp around 5th and are mostly plastic.

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure Dark Eldar have more finecast units than Orks.


In any case, if you want the example of an aging army, maybe look at how GW treats Imperial Guard.

How dare you! I'll have you know the Cadian kit was released in 2021!