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I saw on fb that apparently some gw employee mentioned its the old nob. So... take that for what it is. Gw stores are too far away for me to play investigator myself

Keramory wrote:
I saw on fb that apparently some gw employee mentioned its the old nob. So... take that for what it is. Gw stores are too far away for me to play investigator myself

Yeah - confirmed with my local manager (who is yelling at WarCom for showing the new one).

Nick Nanavati / drukkari vs Mark Perry / Orks

https://youtu.be/KX1CpO9Wx10

Marks list

interesting focus max on secondaries etc

And Blood Axe / Deathskulls

Keramory wrote:
Thinking about throwing nobs in as trukk boys because their models are so cool. 10-12 choppa/bigchoppa/pks

Sound decent enough or is it really that bad?

Nobz are quite killy and do their job of massacring whatever they charge just fine, although they're the squishiest blob of points in your army. The main issue is that what they do Boyz and Meganobz can also do, and probably more efficiently. Theres nothing really wrong with them though. A full squad of 12 might be too juicy of a target, and will probably be overkill half the time.

beast_gts wrote:

Keramory wrote:
I saw on fb that apparently some gw employee mentioned its the old nob. So... take that for what it is. Gw stores are too far away for me to play investigator myself

Yeah - confirmed with my local manager (who is yelling at WarCom for showing the new one).

Certainly would be considered dodgey from the advertising POV. Like if they showed a primaris marine then boom, they give you a random marine from the battle for maccrage box set.

To my knowledge they just get allocated a sprue or two, cut out and assemble the boxes then pass them out. So the real question is, what sprue is it? New boyz, old boyz, beast snagga boyz? I'm gonna want at least one of those coins, so the question is what's the bonus model? Also, here in NSW our stores are still closed due to lockdown.

cody.d. wrote:
Certainly would be considered dodgey from the advertising POV. Like if they showed a primaris marine then boom, they give you a random marine from the battle for maccrage box set.

That's why they've got the "*** The model you receive may differ from the one shown." disclaimer.

cody.d. wrote:
To my knowledge they just get allocated a sprue or two, cut out and assemble the boxes then pass them out. So the real question is, what sprue is it? New boyz, old boyz, beast snagga boyz? I'm gonna want at least one of those coins, so the question is what's the bonus model?

It's the current Nobz kit they're splitting up. I wonder if the ammo runt is getting their own box or if the store is going to end up with a pile of them...

Even then, to show a model from one kit then package one from a completely different kit? Eeeh, feels meh. On the plus side, if it is the nobz kit. Well those are one of the better kits out there. Now if they went hog wild and gave us a flashgit? Well that'd be a laugh getting random bitz.

I’m confused are you saying they are cutting up the nob kit and SELLING them piece mail? Or is this like a free nob with every ork purchase?

gungo wrote:
I’m confused are you saying they are cutting up the nob kit and SELLING them piece mail? Or is this like a free nob with every ork purchase?

To my knowledge that's what they've been doing with the free model every month. Tell the store manager to cut up a sprue, send them a bunch of those one model boxes then just write off the sprue as part of a promotion. Seen the managers going through the process with the sisters model way back, getting some help from customers in the store at the time.

oh no. the battlewagon is 600 kr from 450 danish kr.

Thats like 95 bucks or something from the usual like 71 bucks. or 70 if we round down.

All because of the added sprue.

Im glad i already have 3 battlewagons.

the rest they release the first wave is:
Squig hogs: 350 dkk - 55ish usd
beastboss 230 dkk - 36ish usd
Snaggaboys 300 dkk - 47ish usd
bossbunka 400dkk - 63ish usd
combat patrol box 850 dkk - 135ish usd
wortsnagga 250 dkk - 39ish usd

I just converted the numbers from dkk to usd from google so its probably +/- one or two USD. I have the correct numbers in euros though if anyone wants that.

Beardedragon wrote:
I have the correct numbers in euros though if anyone wants that.

I'm interested !

Especially the BW and combat patrol.

Beardedragon wrote:
oh no. the battlewagon is 600 kr from 450 danish kr.

Thats like 95 bucks or something from the usual like 71 bucks. or 70 if we round down.

All because of the added sprue.

Im glad i already have 3 battlewagons.

What the heck - back in 5th when I bought all mine, you could get "battlewagon with deff rolla" from the GW web store for about 375 kr (in euro obviously), which was just the BW box with the upgrade sprue taped on top.

RAW, it seems possible to field a unit of 4 burnas and 3 spanners, since the Datasheet only forces you to take one per 4 burnas but does not prohibit taking more (to the datasheets max of 3, of course). That seems to be a cheap way to get some kmbs - on the other hand, it's about the same cost as a scrapjet, so probably not worth it...
And what is the general opinion on tellyporting the bossbunka? Seems legit atm...

I've been toying with KMB a bit and I don't think they are worth the trouble. It's better than having a big shoota, but often enough they just blow themselves up and then force you to roll on ld6 in your turn.

IMO, both for burnas and lootas trying to minimize spannas is the best way to go, which mean units of 9 with 1 spanna and 8 lootas/burnas.

As for the boss bunka, during my last 3 games, there would have been no way to place it other than corners of my own deployment zone, so it's essentially dead for my games. I suggest that you try the same thing, just check during your next games whether you find any spot to deploy it.

 Jidmah wrote:

What the heck - back in 5th when I bought all mine, you could get "battlewagon with deff rolla" from the GW web store for about 375 kr (in euro obviously), which was just the BW box with the upgrade sprue taped on top.

FWIW I bought a battlewagon + upgrade pack just before they went out of stock a few weeks ago and that worked out to £42.75 from a 3rd-party retailer (£55 RRP). New price will be £45 from the same retailer, or £60 RRP

Still a slight increase but not as big as I expected.

 Jidmah wrote:
I've been toying with KMB a bit and I don't think they are worth the trouble. It's better than having a big shoota, but often enough they just blow themselves up and then force you to roll on ld6 in your turn.

IMO, both for burnas and lootas trying to minimize spannas is the best way to go, which mean units of 9 with 1 spanna and 8 lootas/burnas.

As for the boss bunka, during my last 3 games, there would have been no way to place it other than corners of my own deployment zone, so it's essentially dead for my games. I suggest that you try the same thing, just check during your next games whether you find any spot to deploy it.

I don't think that a unit of 9 burnas is raw possible. You must take 1 Spanner per 4 burnas, so you have to include the 10th model... max for 1 Spanner would be 7 burna boys.

Yeah, good point on the foot print of the bossbunka. What did you use as proxy? Oh, and where exactly can I find the restriction on deploying it close to Terrain? Didn't find it in rulebook and mission pack, so probably some FAQ?

Edit: found it, core rules FAQ p. 3

Bossdoc wrote:
I don't think that a unit of 9 burnas is raw possible. You must take 1 Spanner per 4 burnas, so you have to include the 10th model... max for 1 Spanner would be 7 burna boys.

Good catch, you're right. I didn't double-check but simply trusted battlescribe on this, my faul really.

Still, for lootas bringing less spannas probably is better anyways, for burnas you kind of need to reach the critical mass where they can wipe stuff easily and 7 might not be enough.

Yeah, good point on the foot print of the bossbunka. What did you use as proxy?

A Miasmic Malignifier actually. Most faction terrain seems to be roughly the same size.

 Jidmah wrote:

Beardedragon wrote:
oh no. the battlewagon is 600 kr from 450 danish kr.

Thats like 95 bucks or something from the usual like 71 bucks. or 70 if we round down.

All because of the added sprue.

Im glad i already have 3 battlewagons.

What the heck - back in 5th when I bought all mine, you could get "battlewagon with deff rolla" from the GW web store for about 375 kr (in euro obviously), which was just the BW box with the upgrade sprue taped on top.

Got my BW last year for ~ 50$ (if you convert from rubles). But I got a ~15-20% discount.

Big OOF for those new prices. GW gonna GW, I feel really bad for any new Ork players because GW really is gouging them price wise for those old kits. I mean, they've already made their money for the BW kit when it was released ages ago, anything more now is just gravy, could they not have just done the customers a solid and kept them the same price like they were combined?

To be honest, the stuff is probably around the same price point-per-point.
Rolla wagon was what - 110 pts back than? Usually taken with 2 bigshootas to avoid being immobilized. And now a rolla wagon with 2 bigshootas is 145 pts.

Boyz were 6 pts - 9 pts now.

It's just that we get less models. But I'm tired of running hordes. I always wanted boyz to cost around 10 pts but be tougher and choppier. We kinda got that. When the rest of the rules will get brought in line with their 9 pts cost, they're gona be great.

I mean - they could get their fearless back and, maybe, something more - like easier sources of increased durability.

 Grimskul wrote:
Big OOF for those new prices. GW gonna GW, I feel really bad for any new Ork players because GW really is gouging them price wise for those old kits. I mean, they've already made their money for the BW kit when it was released ages ago, anything more now is just gravy, could they not have just done the customers a solid and kept them the same price like they were combined?

Face to the fact of rapidly increasing prices of all resources across all industries and face to the rising inflation across the world and face to the big struggles with global suplies of everything, increasing prices of themodels are nothing to be surprised about. Honestly, I stockpiling the boxes and material last 6 months or something to have enough for the next year or two.

There is tons of topics about GW business models to be angry or sad with, but increasing prices is definitely not one of them. This is a story of everything right now.

What is most important of all however is the fact, that discussing GW business models is not a topic of this thread and sooner or later Jidmah comes and get angry. So skip it.

Talking about new ork prices in general is fine, but going through the whole "why does GW do dis?" circle is not, as the GW suits are clearly not orks.

If you feel inclined to join dakka's creme de la creme on this topic, there also is this thread currently going on: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1680/797386.page

 Nym wrote:

Beardedragon wrote:
I have the correct numbers in euros though if anyone wants that.

I'm interested !

Especially the BW and combat patrol.

Actually im sorry they werent in Euros. i misread the Eud currency as Eur.

So i dont have an exact number for euros.

my apologies

Prices for the new models makes the snagga box a legit deal. Essentially free codex. There are still a few snagga boxes out there.

WarCom wrote:Update: The original version of this article showed a different Ork Nob, who was clearly eager to grab himself five minutes of fame. That Nob has been reprimanded and the picture below now shows the correct miniature of the month, though it’s worth noting that the model you receive may differ depending on which Warhammer store you visit.

So I reckon this weekend i'm going to try out the Drop pod style list. 3 bunkas in tellyporta with 10 flashgitz in each. In theory the bunkas should be able to soften up a unit and something else in the list can finish it off. Question is, after dropping nearly 1K points on the droppin' dakka, what do I build the rest of the list around? I'm thinking some ranged dakka in trukks with some commandos to get in the way first turn.

gungo wrote:

 Blackie wrote:
Painboss maybe?

Painboss is 3in to slow for replacing the painboy on bike… oh and the fact his rules make no sense for ONLY working on beastboys and warbikers for some reason. I have faith he will be better in another editon.

The beastboss has zero role and reason to be played. Even the kommando stormboy trukk spam list which can use 3 warbosses doesn’t want the beastboss. You rather take generic warbosses and/or mega warboss.

Yep, that theoretical list I made has no need for the beastboss...which trust me...I REALLY TRIED. I really wanted a Beastboss with the mantle in my list, but he serves no purpose that a warboss can't do for better/cheaper and he actually buffs my units as opposed to solely being there as a beat stick. I just would rather have that +1 aura everywhere possible rather than the mantle.

cody.d. wrote:
So I reckon this weekend i'm going to try out the Drop pod style list. 3 bunkas in tellyporta with 10 flashgitz in each. In theory the bunkas should be able to soften up a unit and something else in the list can finish it off. Question is, after dropping nearly 1K points on the droppin' dakka, what do I build the rest of the list around? I'm thinking some ranged dakka in trukks with some commandos to get in the way first turn.

I Think dropping 1 bunka is difficult enough with deployment rules of fortifications being they must be more than 3 inches away from any given terrain piece.

Not sure how one can properly fit 3. sounds like at least 2 of those will end up on your own deployment zone and flash gitz only shoot 24inches. unless bad moon then 30.

Well, Goonhammer drops two interesitng articles for us:

1. Nick Nannavati explain in the whole article his concept of how makes orks works with the spam of small scoring units. See the list from the video I posted few days ago? That is that. Very interesting, despite the fact I don' t agree with him in his thesis “buggy spam cannot work” and I doubt, he can survive on the table until T5 and I think he lacks the punching power. Especially the lack of MW dealing units…. But his way how to deal with secondaries is definitely very effective.

https://www.goonhammer.com/nick-nanavati-talks-about-playing-orks-with-the-new-codex/

2. Competitive Innovation

https://www.goonhammer.com/competitive-innovations-in-9th-global-waaaagh/

My favorit Australian player - Andrew Penn. - 1st in Adeliede with exactly heavy buggy list Nick consider to be no-go which is what I like on Orks. Anyway, his list is very much what has been discussed here before - combination of Freebotas for Dakka and Deathskulls for obsec elite infantry.

If anything, Nick has proven repeatedly that despite being an exceptionally good player, he doesn't understand how orks work.

He did a very similar article for our last codex, was wrong about most of it and failed to place with orks even once, and not for the lack of trying.