Tomsug wrote:


No idea what to think about loosing Snikrot and Zagstruk!

 addnid wrote:

Tomsug perhaps you are the siegler of greenskins, I don’t know, but for people like me who need at least a decent army to get a high placing in a serious tournament (which isn’t easy to do), Orks are relegated to fun games, armour Of contempt (contempt for orks) was the final straw.

CaptainO wrote:
Being honest it had been around a year since I lost to speesh marines so the AoC should bring them up the competitive ladder.

We were high B low A tier before this. Worse armies than us have been brought up and better armies brought down.

I think we now have good play into custodes and tau and even quins. I played dark eldar before the last nerf and remember thinking that it was tough but not impossible. After their nerfs they still remained challenging but became definitely easier to beat.

Tldr; we'll be fine.

 Tomsug wrote:
So, who played already with the new dataslate? Reports!

Beardedragon wrote:
If you run a speed mob, then a snazzwagon can only use its "MORE GITZ OVER DERE!"
stratagem if he makes a fall back?

 Tomsug wrote:
Yeah, infantry without transports strugle like a hell. Wagons are definitely a way to go.

 Tomsug wrote:

Spoiler:

So the decision makeing proces is aproximately like this:

If you take two wazbooms, you put 500p which is 25% of your army in the air. Your game plan have to be about getting to the opponent fast also with the rest of the army and kill as much asap. Because Wazbooms will be target n1 ASAP and all of the enemy fire will focus on wazbooms. And they propably gonna die. So you need to kill their anti-wazboom units first.

If you take two dakkajets, you have just abou 250p in the air but in the same chasi and the same ammount of wounds. But with the 50% killing potential. This sounds more like a gameplan with the focus on what is going on the ground and the dakkajets are there just for flexibility and power to clean objective holders behind the corner. And soak a lot of enemy firepower before thei die.

Look at their power - typical example are Duhkari Wracks. 5 of them sits back and you want them die. Dakkajet has 36 shots on 5+ = 12 hits. Wound on 3+ = 8 wounds. Wracks with 6++ and 5+++ reduce it to 6,66 and than 4,44 = you propably kill 5 Wracks a turn. That is nice but nothing to write home about.

And jets are always the targets n1. They are huge models and moving 60” around the table and shoot at anything. Everybody wants them dead.

So the 2 dakkajet option is better protection of your army than a KFF. In first and second turn at least. Kill two jets in a turn is a hard task even for the top meta armies and even such armies have to waste a huge ammount of their firepower to kill them.

Just don' t be stupid and do NOT fly directly to your opponent on both his flanks. Most of the warhammer shooting weapons has a limited range (on slow platform). Do not offer a target to all of the opponents shooting. Be clever. Deploy planes in the deepest corners of your deploy each on the other side. If they survive, one flyies directly to the opponents corner and the second like a proper jets turns and fly 60” to the same side of the table like the first one. Just not back in the deploy but next to the half of the table side. Do it like this and you focus the firepower on one side of the table and kill there a lot. On the other side, in opponents turn for most of the army the jets will be out of range. And in your next turn, if both of the jets are still alive, you should be able to move so, that the first jet goes to another quater of the table and the second stays in the same a you start The Great Rotation both jets scoring Engage.

The fact is that if you do it right and silent the opponents firepower anable to kill your jets and still have two wazbooms on the table after that, you propably win the game. Because the ammount of the dakka wazbooms in full load can do is really scary.

But aou cannot hide them and some armies simple kill them turn 1. Againts such armies you need to put the wazbooms in reserves to hide if go second. Because if you go second and lost both of your wazbooms before they shoot, you lost the game.


So back to the core of your question - what jet shall you assamble? Well, I love jets and play tham almost in every list last couple of years. There used to be times, it was a Dakkajet. And wazbooms sucks like a hell. Than they became fine. Than there was a very funny period of exploding Burna Bommers. The only that was not cool for a long time is a Blitza Bommer. So I guess Blitza Bommer will be cool in some of the next expansions.

So magnetize. Really. Trust me. Take a saw and cut your finished jet to magnetize him later is a really paintfull process. You don' t want to do it.

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And have them two. Jets needs to be in pair. Both or non.

soupnun wrote:
I have been caught out. I was one of those people who made conversions and cool models for the glory of my shelf and now someone has seen their new Tyranids codex and wants to challenge me to a 1000 point game. I have never played, so I am terrified I will embarrass the boyz and bring great shame to Gork and Mork.
What I have: 2 dragsters, 1 kustom boosta blaster, 1 wartrike, 6 warbikes, 1 trukk, 1 big trakk, 1 big mek with KFF, 10 kommandos, 1 dakkajet, 30 boyz, 6 manz, 1 warboss, 10 gretchin. I have a reasonable proxy for a warboss on squigosaur, and might be able to rush a second trukk.
He is not a serious competitive player, but he has lots of models. What are my options?