Might makes Right! - Codex Orks 2021 Tactics

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**Beardedragon**

A question related to "Da biggest and da best".

If im not mistaken, there was a change to when you held an objective in warzone nephilim, that you had to hold an objective in the command phase in order to actually take it.

Was it your own command phase or just any command phase? I cant really remember, but if its any or your own, does that mean when you start the command phase while standing on an objective, in the no mans land, you then gain the points for having held the objective by the end of the battle round?

The way i understand it, it scores up those points by the end of the battle round but it didnt matter when you did any of the things, including holding the objective, which you held in your own command phase. So, can you hold it by the start of your own command phase, then move away from it because you might want to kill someone else, then still get the points for it? Because you held it by your own command phase with your warlord. Or must you end your turn or potentially end the entire battle round with your warlord on the objective?

**Tomsug**

Pure Nephilin Comeptitive Innovations are out:

https://www.goonhammer.com/competitive-innovations-in-9th-nephilim-unleashed/

Much more factions then usually. That is good. And orks definitely not bad!

The Show Me Showdown - Dan Sammons – 4th Place - klassic goff preasure with tripple killrigs and all this stuff we know incl. Ghazzy.

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Coastal Wargaming & Warp Charged Gaming Major - Kevin Leonard – Evil Sunz – 3rd Place - who said SpeedMob is dead?! Hell! Single outrider with big squads of buggies and double Wazbooms!

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Same event - 9th – Blue Ford - and speedmob again! And again Evil Sunz! Double Outrider with a lot of relics, so a minimum number of CPs on the beginning! Even Nob bikers!

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Hometown 40K - 2nd – Darren Jac - Goff Brigade with mighty ghazzy and a lot of infantry. No transports, no killrigs. But deffdreads and Killa Kans!

Spoiler:

**gungo**

2 goff pressure and 2 evilsun speedmob

Kinda surprised to see evilsun speedmob doing okay.. it has issues namely low firepower and issues with objective scoring.
But glad to see something completely different from goff pressure (with ghaz) doing well.
Still hope kustomjobs stay free as that can only help speedmob do better. (1 speedmob has free KJ, the other doesn’t)

**Beardedragon**

The second speed mob user sure took advantage of potentially free kustom jobs.

**gungo**

Beardedragon wrote:
The second speed mob user sure took advantage of potentially free kustom jobs.

Same event and the guy who did better didn’t use free kustom jobs… but I still hope it stays free. It doesn’t really add much to ork list strength. Just makes more individual ork units viable. Crazier issue is he didn’t save any cp for crashing through or AOOTS.. speedmob is like the only list w decent Strats but in order to use all those KJ he needed 2 detachments.

**Madjob**

Beardedragon wrote:
The second speed mob user sure took advantage of potentially free kustom jobs.

But they are paid for? *Edit: nevermind, I see the 2,100 point total.

**Beardedragon**

Hey guys.

Just a small heads up. I went on to GWs webpage where they sell miniatures and got in touch with some dude named Brandon.

I asked f the free kustom job thing was a bug and he gave me this answer:
So if they aren't listed in the updated points that typically means that they don't have a cost however for full clarity you would want to email in to: 40KFAQ@gwplc.com and keep an eye on any future errata's or releases.

In this case the way we are presently interpreting this is due to it not having points we would say these do not cost anything however please do keep an eye out for any changes on this.

While i knew it wasnt the right place to ask, i went for it anyway. he at the very least did, clarify, that if its not written in the FAQ, that means its free. Dont know if it means anything to anyone and it could still be a bug. But still.

**Grimskul**

Thanks for your efforts Beardedragon, though unfortunately, I don't think their cusotmer service is seen or counts as a "end all be all" source for whether or not Kustom Jobs are legit for free. Tbh, at least until they clarify it, I feel like we should play it like it is because of how meh most of them are already and it gives us a chance to try out things we normally wouldn't bother paying for as long as you're not going to a tournament that rules against it.

**gungo**

Only people who can accurately answer is the rules team and they don’t do anything unofficially outside a faq/errata. I mean that email address doesn’t get a reply but might be included in the faq

But he’s right… Rules as written it doesn’t have points and is free however it can also be a mistake. The way the points document is done doesn’t rule out mistakes…

I think however even if it’s a mistake the rules team just won’t care enough to fix it quickly. Kinda like the AOOTS strat for speed mob.. it really shouldn’t allow you to go in and out of reserves same turn… GW just didn’t care…

I hope it stays free as i don’t think it increases the power of lists much at all… with limited detachments and slots it makes taking a unit of 1 a tougher decision but it does open up a few units that weren’t as competitive before… shokk atk gun, deffdread, squigbuggy, etc

**Blackie**

I think it's a mistake and I'm pretty sure it'll be officially fixed at some point but until then I'll use free kustom jobs. Everyone in my group agreed to that since orks need a boost, RAW they're actually free, and me and the other ork player don't play our currently best pressure or AoR lists anyway.

**Beardedragon**

Blackie wrote:
I think it's a mistake and I'm pretty sure it'll be officially fixed at some point but until then I'll use free kustom jobs. Everyone in my group agreed to that since orks need a boost, RAW they're actually free, and me and the other ork player don't play our currently best pressure or AoR lists anyway.

yea maybe i should too. I havent up till this point and ive had 4 games since the nephilim warzone came out.

**Tomsug**

gungo wrote:
2 goff pressure and 2 evilsun speedmob

Kinda surprised to see evilsun speedmob doing okay.. it has issues namely low firepower and issues with objective scoring.
But glad to see something completely different from goff pressure (with ghaz) doing well.
Still hope kustomjobs stay free as that can only help speedmob do better. (1 speedmob has free KJ, the other doesn’t)

Absolutely agree with the Kustom Jobs. I 'm also super glad it works.

There is definitely no problem with the fire power in speed mob! Firepower and mobility. The two main advetages of Speed mob. And changes in Nephilin did (almost) nothing with it. Minor nerf on two planes (freeboota nerf) but improve via free Kustom Jobs and price drop on squigbuggy.

The issue is the secondaries. Giving up a lot and scoring badly.

Choosing of Evel Sunz is surprise, but not so much. The Clan do a little in Speedmob. And both of these guys play the Evil Sunz mainly for the Driven by Dakka = move after shooting. Why? Because it cost just 1 CP! In the new system, you can do it every turn. The second has advance and charge for warbikers but… this is 1 CP to scare the opponent because 3 warbikers do really nothing in charge.

I 'm honestly surprised from the first list with the one detach. There is just a single bloody warbiker mob. A single bloody obsec unit. A single unit that can do Bitz. Hell, how had he scored? But he did! 82/95/83/91/100. That sounds like a solid secondaries plan!

It seems litle bit like “in new Nephilin we need to use a lot of small infatry to score” meta and this infantry lacks the heavy guns to kill the speedmob fast enough. So he simply shoot and press and move and score ENGAGE, No prisoners / Grind and Assasin/Bring/Abhorn.

Of course he can score Bitz and Da Biggest - but there is absolutely no redundancy. No tooling up for this. One unit lost and he fails.

I go to find him on reddit of facebook. I need to know….

**Scactha**

What am I missing on those Goff lists snd tje Grotz? They can’t score T1, so are they supposed to run up behind a screen of the test of the army? Can be done, but why.

**gungo**

Scactha wrote:
What am I missing on those Goff lists snd tje Grotz? They can’t score T1, so are they supposed to run up behind a screen of the test of the army? Can be done, but why.

Adaptable.. sometimes they use good bits and sometimes they use biggest and baddest… it’s explained more in the goonhammer article but those lists change secondaries based on the mission.

I agree though if you lean into goodbits you can easily max out that secondary but then your issue becomes trying to max out the primary with enough obj secured to control and contest.

**Beardedragon**

I Fail to see why you shouldnt be able to both max out good bits and primaries.

You just need 30 grots (hell even 20 grots) for good bits. thats not exactly expensive. You have plenty of points for units pushing forward keeping the enemy back.

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One could put ghaz in a supreme detatchment and still run, lets say, a bad moon detatchment next to it right? That wouldnt be illigal?

**gungo**

I was just saying good bits is easy to max out if your army is built for it and your focus is maxing primaries.
I do feel spread thin at times trying to control multiple objectives especially with limited obj secured units though. I miss the good ol days of dual detachments and obj secured kommandos all over the place.

**Afrodactyl**

Reviewing my list again for the umpteenth time. I've condensed it down into two patrols to squeeze a second starting CP in. After dropping a Snazzwagon and adjusting Squighog numbers to better suit the halved number of available FA slots, I have 80ish points to play with.

As far as units capable of performing actions go, I have;
10x Trukk Boys
25x Kommandos (in a 10:10:5 split, the two bigger units having Bomb Squigs)
10x Squighog Boys (5:5, with Bomb Squigs)
10x Gretchin

I'm stuck between these main choices;
1. Another 10 Gretchin and a sprinkling of some toys here and there.
2. Some Burna Boys, and a sprinkling of some toys here and there.
3. 5 Tankbustas.

Which ever I add will basically be sat on an objective doing actions and little else.

I'm intrigued by the Tankbustas because they will actually be able to do something other than actions, but are they worthwhile in such small numbers?

**Blackie**

Tankbustas are expensive for being action monkeys. For the same price you can field 5 burnaboyz and 10 gretchins. Even 3 meganobz are a much better choice for objective sitters and action monkeys for the same cost, at least they can soak some firepower.

I think tankbustas are decent if you're planning on making use of all their potential: shoot, unleash a bomb squig, charge with the hammer. I would take something else otherwise.

**Jidmah**

I kind of agree, unless you move forward to at least throw the squig at something valuable, tank bustas are too much points for too little survivability.

10 gretchin definitely work a lot better for backfield monkey'ing. It's kind of ridiculous how much that 1 point drop has changed our views on them.

**Beardedragon**

I used grots at 5 points before to hold my backline already. My biggest reason for picking them now is because of Good bits changes.

But 4ppm definitely isnt bad. Still wish they were 3ppm though

**Afrodactyl**

That's kind of what I was thinking after posting to be honest, that TBs wouldn't be worthwhile as they're either doing actions and not shooting, or shooting and not doing actions. And again, there's five of them, how much are they actually contributing?

Thanks for the comments. I'll stick with Burnas or Gretchin. Either way I can squeeze in a PK on my Trukkboys and Forktress for their ride, so it might be Burnas just so it's less models to paint.

**Tomsug**

Meta Monday on Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerCompetitive/comments/w1wx42/meta_monday_71822_4_gts_and_a_check_in_on_the_rtt/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Orks has nice 50-53% win rate. That is good.

Warhound at Game - Rochard Killton - 1st! - very “standard” goff list we all know.

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And I made another check on BCP And find few others.

Honestly…

It' s nice to see the orks to be succesfull. But it' s all the same kind of the list. Actualy, some lists are simole the same…

The ATC - Luis Betancourt - 1st - deathskull!

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Valencia GT - Miguel Durám- 2nd - / edit: damn, this is a 8people tournament… sorry, ignore it.

Spoiler:

Niagara GT - Michael Lloy - 6th

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**gungo**

While they are all plays on goff pressure (kinda). They are all different types of units and setups. It has more to do with the current missions then our vehicles. Speedmob isn’t actually bad (restrictive but okay) especially if kustom jobs stay free.. it’s just harder to play the missions w speedmob.

Only 1 out of 4 lists use free kustom jobs :(. BattleScribe needs to make that change

**tulun**

How many players were those GTs?

**Kebabcito**

++ Total: [125 PL, 1CP, 2,085pts] ++

**flaming tadpole**

It's nice seeing the manz making a comeback

**Afrodactyl**

Really cool seeing a Deathskulls list take a win

**Tomsug**

tulun wrote:
How many players were those GTs?

I took anything with 5+ rounds and 30 people plus…. Aaand I failed, one of the dudes is 8 people “GT” with very bad scoring. I take him out.

Hell, why people call the tournament with 8 people “GT”? In such way i can play GT every weekend at home with my budies….

**Jidmah**

Tomsug wrote:
tulun wrote:
How many players were those GTs?

I took anything with 5+ rounds and 30 people plus…. Aaand I failed, one of the dudes is 8 people “GT” with very bad scoring. I take him out.

Hell, why people call the tournament with 8 people “GT”? In such way i can play GT every weekend at home with my budies….

The TO just labeled the event as GT to draw more attention to it. Kind of like how every event with a stage and more than one band gets called a festival.

**Tomsug**

Jidmah wrote:
Tomsug wrote:
tulun wrote:
How many players were those GTs?

I took anything with 5+ rounds and 30 people plus…. Aaand I failed, one of the dudes is 8 people “GT” with very bad scoring. I take him out.

Hell, why people call the tournament with 8 people “GT”? In such way i can play GT every weekend at home with my budies….

The TO just labeled the event as GT to draw more attention to it. Kind of like how every event with a stage and more than one band gets called a festival.

Great. So I gonna make TTS exclusive GT tonight. Exclusive = me + anyone available online…

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Kebabcito wrote:
++ Total: [125 PL, 1CP, 2,085pts] ++

Be carefoul with the points. Battlescribe charge you for the Kustom Jobs but a lot of tournaments do not. So the sum by Battle srcibe is like this…