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Jesus, GW is fast at work the leak PDF has already been killed, glad i have a copy.

Yeah, got mine in time too. They must be pretty cheesed at all the leaks before the official release lol.

 Tomsug wrote:
Jidmah, would you be so kind and post us here also the whole index with the faction rules, units, points etc. ?

I would, but I'm afraid they haven't been leaked yet for any army.

One of the named Inquisitors, Greyfax, had their rules previewed today and the No Escape rule she has seems is worded exactly the way I want the Grabbin Klaw to work, so fingers crossed we have that in some capacity in our codex.

Grabin Klaw… yehh…

… all these useless parts I skipped on my wagons and trukks and use them for conversion pourposes on something else….

And not only me…

 Tomsug wrote:
Grabin Klaw… yehh…

… all these useless parts I skipped on my wagons and trukks and use them for conversion pourposes on something else….

And not only me…

I don't know what you are talking about, I still have my four fully modular battlewagons from 5th. I even have extra turrets so I can have a killkannon and a kannon at the same time...

I probably should sell my fourth battlewagon. The last time I ran it, it was during my last game of 7th, right before quitting the game. I faced tournament-grade eldar in that game and was tabled before moving.

I attached all that stuff, some of which is magnetized, or snap on… there is no rule forcing wyswyg

I have a bought battlewagon off ebay that has a permanent klaw stuck to it. Ive been meaning to rip it off even though it was glued on, but i wanted to wait till 10th edition to see if it made sense to do so.

For the most part when ive used it in games and what not, ive simply played it as without having a klaw.

It's not like a non-ork player can tell it apart from a random gubbin with no actual functionality. And an actual ork player won't snitch on you for having an extra klaw.

If you like the look, just keep it.

It's like Bewaaaghcé sings:

Cause if you liked it you should have put a klaw on it
If you liked it you shoulda put a klaw on it
Don't be mad once you see the mek want it
If you liked it then you shoulda put a klaw on it

Da big 'un

I guess we'll have to see the points to see if it'll be worth taking, but it's nice to see a pretty decent attack profile and options for the Big Boy Squiggoth. Interesting to note that the Supa Kannon and the regular Kannon both don't have the Heavy keyword, so that might be a reflection on some of the weapons Orks have on vehicles at the moment to not have those either unfortunately. I guess the good thing is that the Supa-Kannon is S12 base, so I hope that means our Killkannon is at least in the S10 range if not the same.

Also, interesting to note that Ghazzy, despite being able to join units now, still takes up 18 slots in transport space still, which means you're basically stuck throwing him on foot if you want him with a bodyguard unit.

 Jidmah wrote:
It's not like a non-ork player can tell it apart from a random gubbin with no actual functionality. And an actual ork player won't snitch on you for having an extra klaw.

If you like the look, just keep it.

the fact its glued on and is sticking out to the side makes it hard to place near ruins on its right side. So its actually out of functionality and annoyance that i want to snap it off. If it didnt make it difficult to place on the left side of ruins, id just keep it on

The fact ghaz is still 18 model size transport capacity means you will never put him in a transport as you can’t attach him to a unit as well. Meaning he is almost as slow as 9th edition which was his biggest issue. I mean feel free to attach a full squad or meganobs to him and walk them across the board but that’s a lot of points with a huge shoot me target on their back…

Whelp, ghaz taking 18slots.. unless he can tely or something I am not seeing him at the table, unless footslogging is a thing.

The more i read the next edition the more i hope damage has been curbed, else we are going to have a hard time.

Also GW just released core rules: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/06/02/download-the-new-warhammer-40000-rules-for-free-right-here/

Yeah, if we don't have the tellyporta strat, Ghaz might be DoA. I can only really see him and his ladz deepstriking in via rapid ingress to make sure you can be in an optimal spot to go for a major objective or key enemy unit piece.

Considering all the silly interactions of Thrakka and Makari being one unit, I'd totally throw him in a BW by himself if he is cheap enough.

 Jidmah wrote:
Considering all the silly interactions of Thrakka and Makari being one unit, I'd totally throw him in a BW by himself if he is cheap enough.

I guess the main benefit of him being in a vehicle is that even if it's wrecked, him and Makari can only take 1 MW each if you roll snake eyes for the occupants, which is a lot better than now where a 1 removes him entirely as a casaulty.

I think 10th is going to be the edition of meme lists for me.

I really like the Gargantuan Squiggoth datasheet and I now want to just run a swarm of squigs led by a Freeboota Warboss and his Flash Git retinue on Squiggoth-back

gungo wrote:
The fact ghaz is still 18 model size transport capacity means you will never put him in a transport as you can’t attach him to a unit as well. Meaning he is almost as slow as 9th edition which was his biggest issue. I mean feel free to attach a full squad or meganobs to him and walk them across the board but that’s a lot of points with a huge shoot me target on their back…

ya not gonna lie seeing ghaz still take up that many slots was a bit heart wrenching. I’d be shocked if he’s any cheaper in points so probably would only want to run him when he can give his buff and if that whole unit has to foot slog 5” up the table it’s just not gonna be worth it. Hopefully will have some sort of tellyporta strat but not holding my breath. 😥

On a funny note. I thought damage 10 attack from a stompa would the highest damage we have, but apparently the gargantuan squiggoth gives damage 12 attacks

AND it finally has a sweep. Good riddance. Its still a massive slab to move around and its way too long for its own good, but at least it has a sweep profile..

Hopefully the Ghaz taking 18 slots thing is exclusive to the Squiggoth....

in other ork chats im seeing a lot of people complaining the Squiggoth got mega nerfed because A) no Howdah rule and B) lost the charge damage.

Assuming GW doesnt price it to hell (always a fear), i think it got buffed.

Firing Deck is basically Howdah, as the transport counts as owning the occupant gun. Lost the always stationary thing, but that seems to be across the board loss. So in a sense we didnt lose Howdah.

Yeah it lost the charge damage but heres the thing...D6 mortals, or more than twice as deadly melee? i'll take the 12 flat damage melee thank you lol

Also, its T13. Thats nothing to scoff at.

 Afrodactyl wrote:
I think 10th is going to be the edition of meme lists for me.

I really like the Gargantuan Squiggoth datasheet and I now want to just run a swarm of squigs led by a Freeboota Warboss and his Flash Git retinue on Squiggoth-back

That sounds like a really gun game to play against. Although Giant Squiggoth is FW so it might get sent to Legends like a lot of other things did.

Forceride wrote:
Whelp, ghaz taking 18slots.. unless he can tely or something I am not seeing him at the table, unless footslogging is a thing.

The more i read the next edition the more i hope damage has been curbed, else we are going to have a hard time.

Also GW just released core rules: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/06/02/download-the-new-warhammer-40000-rules-for-free-right-here/

I really hope that's just yet another typical FW copy-paste situation. Verbatim is exactly 9th ed.
With current Ghazs rules doesn't make any sense. A monster occupying 18 slots, fine. A warboss with r6 occupying as much as 9 MANZ, not good.

 The Red Hobbit wrote:

 Afrodactyl wrote:
I think 10th is going to be the edition of meme lists for me.

I really like the Gargantuan Squiggoth datasheet and I now want to just run a swarm of squigs led by a Freeboota Warboss and his Flash Git retinue on Squiggoth-back

That sounds like a really gun game to play against. Although Giant Squiggoth is FW so it might get sent to Legends like a lot of other things did.

I'm hopeful that as they've shown a datasheet as part of their reveal for 10th that they won't be axing the Squiggoth. It's not beyond GW to do something like that, but I think they'd be dropping the ball off they showed them off and then got rid of them.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
in other ork chats im seeing a lot of people complaining the Squiggoth got mega nerfed because A) no Howdah rule and B) lost the charge damage.

Assuming GW doesnt price it to hell (always a fear), i think it got buffed.

Firing Deck is basically Howdah, as the transport counts as owning the occupant gun. Lost the always stationary thing, but that seems to be across the board loss. So in a sense we didnt lose Howdah.

Yeah it lost the charge damage but heres the thing...D6 mortals, or more than twice as deadly melee? i'll take the 12 flat damage melee thank you lol

Also, its T13. Thats nothing to scoff at.

Indeed. who gives a feth about D6 mortal wounds on a +2 when you actually have a freaking sweep profile worth of 18 attacks dealing flat 3 damage. This thing eats terminators for breakfast. The damage output is significantly magnified compared to before, in a game where damage profiles seem to otherwise go down.

Also yea it lost the whole stationary thing but we dont get minus to hit when shooting heavy weapons anyway. Im unsure how the firing deck works though. Im assuming given that the vehicle/Monster is the one shooting now, it still means you cant shoot out of combat? Compared to the fact you could shoot out of melee combat with the howdah rule before.

So maybe there is a nerf there. But over all i dont see this thing being really nerfed. Its biggest issue was that it was massive, had no invul and had no sweep profile. 10 guardsmen could literally block it and you would never kill them all unless the rest ran to morale.

Now nothing can stop this thing with a sweep profile, and damage flat 12 attacks will also remove anything large in front of it. It lost 6 wounds but thats fine, it still has no invul so we have to see how KFF big meks work. Over all i dont think i wanna call this thing nerfed.

 The Red Hobbit wrote:

 Afrodactyl wrote:
I think 10th is going to be the edition of meme lists for me.

I really like the Gargantuan Squiggoth datasheet and I now want to just run a swarm of squigs led by a Freeboota Warboss and his Flash Git retinue on Squiggoth-back

That sounds like a really gun game to play against. Although Giant Squiggoth is FW so it might get sent to Legends like a lot of other things did.

They clearly consider the squiggoth to be a titan-level model, and all current communication points to FW essentially becoming a titan-only thing for 40k.

 Afrodactyl wrote:

 The Red Hobbit wrote:

 Afrodactyl wrote:
I think 10th is going to be the edition of meme lists for me.

I really like the Gargantuan Squiggoth datasheet and I now want to just run a swarm of squigs led by a Freeboota Warboss and his Flash Git retinue on Squiggoth-back

That sounds like a really gun game to play against. Although Giant Squiggoth is FW so it might get sent to Legends like a lot of other things did.

I'm hopeful that as they've shown a datasheet as part of their reveal for 10th that they won't be axing the Squiggoth. It's not beyond GW to do something like that, but I think they'd be dropping the ball off they showed them off and then got rid of them.

Yeah it will certainly be in indexhammer and probably stick around for the codex but who knows if it will stick around for 11th ed which adds uncertainty to anyone considering buying one, especially at FW Prices. Even the Kromlech squiggoth isn't much cheaper. Shame cause it looks like a really fun unit to run (if costed appropriately).

wait what? im reading the core rules now and it says you are in engagement range when you are within 1" of an enemy model. I thought they previously said you had to base contact?