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 Jidmah wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Still unless you have stopped buying gw models entirely(at which point you aren't target market anyway) it's less money you need to spend to models to get them.

Though to be fair, a GW store voucher usually just pays for the discount you are missing out on for not ordering at a third party store.

That assumes you get discount on everything but gw has lots of kits "web store item". These have so ridiculously small margin for 3rd party to order they are running practically negative on them and so is more of customer service to keep players happy. Generally no discount here. So the vouchers is actually way to have discount on where normally no discount.

Furthermore said items are not sent to 3rd party on their usual refills resultrng in delivery times longer than direct from gw. I average about month via flgs(record was 8 months...), direct from gw about week.

This is why i'm happy enough when they do buy x, get y voucher. Just recently my cities of sigmar got hefty reinforcements paying less than usual thanks to those. And got faster to boot. Via flgs i might still be waiting rather than have 2k painted.

Edit: plus above math. I'll get 12e voucher so for something in ballbark of 25e for free shipping i get way more than discounts here(10% so 3rd party equals when i buy 120e. I'll be damned if i can't find something less than that at which point flgs can't equal. Even 20% discount would pale and nobody here has 20% discount).

tneva82 wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Still unless you have stopped buying gw models entirely(at which point you aren't target market anyway) it's less money you need to spend to models to get them.

Though to be fair, a GW store voucher usually just pays for the discount you are missing out on for not ordering at a third party store.

That assumes you get discount on everything but gw has lots of kits "web store item". These have so ridiculously small margin for 3rd party to order they are running practically negative on them and so is more of customer service to keep players happy. Generally no discount here. So the vouchers is actually way to have discount on where normally no discount.

Furthermore said items are not sent to 3rd party on their usual refills resultrng in delivery times longer than direct from gw. I average about month via flgs(record was 8 months...), direct from gw about week.

This is why i'm happy enough when they do buy x, get y voucher. Just recently my cities of sigmar got hefty reinforcements paying less than usual thanks to those. And got faster to boot. Via flgs i might still be waiting rather than have 2k painted.

Edit: plus above math. I'll get 12e voucher so for something in ballbark of 25e for free shipping i get way more than discounts here(10% so 3rd party equals when i buy 120e. I'll be damned if i can't find something less than that at which point flgs can't equal. Even 20% discount would pale and nobody here has 20% discount).

We cannot keep the voucher for long, it’s just easy marketing. I subbed, so I am in the market, but also waiting for them to redo a Eldar line. And everything costs too much here, so it doesn’t cover much and would need to purchase a bit to get free postage. Anything I want i have to pay half the voucher value in postage still unless I buy more.

Well there's not much gw has that you get for less than free shipping quota besides paints.

It's basically spend 13e to get 25e, hard trme seeing month i don't speed at least 13e. If nothing else paints i go through at rate that's not unreasonable expectation and 13/25 is discount flgs won't be able to match.

tneva82 wrote:
Well there's not much gw has that you get for less than free shipping quota besides paints.

It's basically spend 13e to get 25e, hard trme seeing month i don't speed at least 13e. If nothing else paints i go through at rate that's not unreasonable expectation and 13/25 is discount flgs won't be able to match.

I rarely use GW paints.

But, really it’s just knowing how your being marketed too and how easy it is to manipulate into a sale. Everyone is, if you already plan to buy something then it’s just lining up with something you do need.

But as said, Vauchers are not for you as a customer, they are to promote something as a good deal and make you spend money.
They could have offer a free month and it would have been better, but that would have mean they got no money. Rather than some money. And if someone is compelled to purchase something on top of the sub, as you note. Basically nothing they sell will not mean having to pay more money.

Voucher is actually worth more than free month. Free month saves me 6 euros. Voucher saves me 12. Sure if you buy no gw stuff whatsoever free month is wortu more. But if you buy no gw stuff whatsoever you would be unlikely to sub for warhammer+ for 1e a year.

tneva82 wrote:
Voucher is actually worth more than free month. Free month saves me 6 euros. Voucher saves me 12. Sure if you buy no gw stuff whatsoever free month is wortu more. But if you buy no gw stuff whatsoever you would be unlikely to sub for warhammer+ for 1e a year.

But to GW a voucher is worth so much less. Promoting it as anything more than marketing is just free marketing for GW.

There is plenty of people who don’t buy regularly from GW for a number of reasons.
They even make more money by getting a sale though there web store, rather than a store many people in the hobby may prefer to purchase from.

it’s entirely a win for GW, and people are easy to market it as a good thing for them.

Apple fox wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Voucher is actually worth more than free month. Free month saves me 6 euros. Voucher saves me 12. Sure if you buy no gw stuff whatsoever free month is wortu more. But if you buy no gw stuff whatsoever you would be unlikely to sub for warhammer+ for 1e a year.

But to GW a voucher is worth so much less. Promoting it as anything more than marketing is just free marketing for GW.

There is plenty of people who don’t buy regularly from GW for a number of reasons.
They even make more money by getting a sale though there web store, rather than a store many people in the hobby may prefer to purchase from.

it’s entirely a win for GW, and people are easy to market it as a good thing for them.

... if you'd never buy from GW how likely are you going to be a WH+ subscriber? seriously dude it sounds like you're looking for things to complain about at this time

BrianDavion wrote:

Apple fox wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Voucher is actually worth more than free month. Free month saves me 6 euros. Voucher saves me 12. Sure if you buy no gw stuff whatsoever free month is wortu more. But if you buy no gw stuff whatsoever you would be unlikely to sub for warhammer+ for 1e a year.

But to GW a voucher is worth so much less. Promoting it as anything more than marketing is just free marketing for GW.

There is plenty of people who don’t buy regularly from GW for a number of reasons.
They even make more money by getting a sale though there web store, rather than a store many people in the hobby may prefer to purchase from.

it’s entirely a win for GW, and people are easy to market it as a good thing for them.

... if you'd never buy from GW how likely are you going to be a WH+ subscriber? seriously dude it sounds like you're looking for things to complain about at this time

I am subbed, I buy from FLGs.
Unless you know the future, GW isn’t realising anything new soon I want.

Bit regardless, being aware of marketing tricks and manipulation isn’t some big conspiracy or anti GW.
People should always be aware of business tricks.
As we are all targeted buy it all the time. If you think you are immune, you really are likely not.

tneva82 wrote:

Well clearly no new content daily is sign of no investement for some

Disney +, Netflix and Amazon Prime have no investment by that logic since none of those platforms release new content daily.
I'm going to chalk a lot of the complaints up to the expectation that every episode of a series should be available from day 1, something thats only happened since streaming services began to gain traction and binge watching became popular. When Netflix and Prime began releasing new shows with one episode a week, like good old fashioned TV programmes, people whined because they weren't getting the whole show immediately.
IMO Warhammer + having weekly content dumps is much better for the long term. It also means I have another way of tracking what day it is now that Bad Batch has finished

disney it seems would agree with you Gert. and IMHO their decision bore weight, christmas of 2019 people where talking about the mandalorian but not the witcher

Apple fox wrote:
There is plenty of people who don’t buy regularly from GW for a number of reasons.

The question is, how many of those people that don't buy regularly also don't have a wishlist of things they might get under the right circumstances? If you are interested in a Warhammer+ subscription, I'd argue that you are an active customer in one capacity or other. I don't know how the numbers compare in Australia, but the ones I gave for Germany are pretty clear. You can get an above 40% discount using this voucher if you are after some specific things, and the selection of kits that still offer you a 25% discount or higher is very large. In my opinion there is appeal in that. The voucher is no doubt a circumstantial bonus, but hardly covers only a narrow set of circumstances.

The most limiting factor in my opinion will be stock levels. As you noted the voucher isn't valid for very long. If you're only after a certain kit and it happens to be out of stock throughout October, that's going to be a far more significant consideration than anything else. Still, that's a problem that relies on you wanting only a handful of specific things when the voucher offers a more significant discount than independent stores can offer on a fairly large portion of kits GW sells.

Apple fox wrote:
it’s entirely a win for GW, and people are easy to market it as a good thing for them.

The former is obviously the point for GW. You're not wrong about that. The voucher exists to get people to spend more money, and to spend it directly with GW as that will still yield more money than selling the same item through an independent store. It's a pretty transparent marketing move.

GW getting a good sale does not require the customer to enter into a bad deal, though. Unless you didn't want the thing you buy, in which case I have to wonder why you bought it in the first place, this is simply a win win situation. GW gets what they want, you get what you want, everyone walks away happy. In this deal only independent stores are left out. GW and the customer are fine. I may be misunderstanding you here, but I don't get the insistence that the voucher is somehow a way of putting the customer at a disadvantage. No offense if that's not what you meant.

both Disney and Netflix both had lots of old shows as well they could put up.
So it’s both similar, but have taken too different paths. Plenty to watch on both if you are a avid watcher, but for a lot of people it’s going to take a few months for Warhammer TV.

With GW wanting everyone signed up now, it’s good way to sour a bit.

Personally I think best is partial seasons. We haven’t watched anything weekly in like 20 years. But we do tend to like to watch a few episodes of something when we do watch something.

Voucher is never for the customer, they could have given the same money in free months. Doesn’t have to be a bad deal for customers.
I have also seen people put off by it, thinking it’s cheep way to get people onto a bad service. If GW isn’t confident then why give such a big incentive.
I will have a voucher, put my money down to see what they do.

BrianDavion wrote:
disney it seems would agree with you Gert. and IMHO their decision bore weight, christmas of 2019 people where talking about the mandalorian but not the witcher

Well they were talking about how awful the armour looked and how bad some of the casting was.

 GoldenHorde wrote:
I think the whole idea of warhammer+ is utter fail



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 Gert wrote:
Yeah let's predict the success of a system that has been out for less than 3 days.
Does there need to be another thread where doomsayers rant about how bad Warhammer + is and call anyone who disagrees with them GW shills?

Yay for excessive forum gatekeeping where said forum is already heavily over moderated with topics shut down

Over moderated? What? Topics only get shut down when they're 5-10 pages past the point where anything of value was being said OR several pages after it had gone full neckbeard.


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Apple fox wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Apple fox wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Voucher is actually worth more than free month. Free month saves me 6 euros. Voucher saves me 12. Sure if you buy no gw stuff whatsoever free month is wortu more. But if you buy no gw stuff whatsoever you would be unlikely to sub for warhammer+ for 1e a year.

But to GW a voucher is worth so much less. Promoting it as anything more than marketing is just free marketing for GW.

There is plenty of people who don’t buy regularly from GW for a number of reasons.
They even make more money by getting a sale though there web store, rather than a store many people in the hobby may prefer to purchase from.

it’s entirely a win for GW, and people are easy to market it as a good thing for them.

... if you'd never buy from GW how likely are you going to be a WH+ subscriber? seriously dude it sounds like you're looking for things to complain about at this time

I am subbed, I buy from FLGs.
Unless you know the future, GW isn’t realising anything new soon I want.

Bit regardless, being aware of marketing tricks and manipulation isn’t some big conspiracy or anti GW.
People should always be aware of business tricks.
As we are all targeted buy it all the time. If you think you are immune, you really are likely not.

That's not really a trick. It's an incentivization meant to ease the burden of entry so that the customer is more likely to experience the product enough to hopefully establish long term investment. Calling it a trick makes it sound more coercive AND mor clever than it actually is.

As far as business tactics go 'we'll give active customers a small pricebreak on our new service to encourage engagement' is both extremely straightforward and mutually beneficial provided the service is offered in good faith.

Apple fox wrote:
I think it will succeed no matter how bad it is.

GW really does not need to put that much effort in to keep people paying.
If it does fail, then I would be curious in how GW managed it.

Easily. People seem to think animation and voice work is free, for some reason, as well as the streaming service itself. They could easily dump more money into their little projects than they get back from subs, and they already committed to a dozen or so projects before seeing any money. And that's just the big stuff. Presumably they pay their cast and crews for the battle reports and etc as well.

I haven’t voted as I was most interested in hearing the better educated community’s response and simply will not have time to use such a subscription to justify signing up. I do wonder if the content will have appeal for nsfw adult minded consumers or if it will be aimed at a Saturday morning cartoon level audience. When I was younger, grim darkness meant nsfw and was stepping away from morning cartoons for kids into the gritty unforgiving real world of endless wars for imperial expansion and all that goes with… parody being that this fantasy very much applied to the lived situation as a critically minded gen Xer in the USA in the late 80s and early 90s until today… the depth of parody has worn thin since recent recasting of the empire, and some of the appeal was lost for me as the game and hobby became more commodified as GW went full on latter day corporate capitalist, white knighting its own empire and expansion for profit with legal violence a growing threat. So, for me, this is interesting, the way that warhammer plus is received by dedicated fans of different demographics… This subscription service might be a move further into the sweet cereal of forgetfulness with sweet serials that forget the critical angle that was its value, for me, or it might reclaim the adult swim flavor and depth of sci fi trope, being the clearinghouse for fantasy concept that it originally was.

yukishiro1 wrote:
It won't take much to make it break even, GW is known for paying bottom-barrel wages as we all know by now. I wouldn't be surprised if they're paying the animators freelance rather than a salary, and probably at very low per-episode rates. After all, rather than produce their own, they basically just found a bunch of youtubers and threatened them with being shut down if they didn't take the deal. It's not exactly the actions of a company that is prepared to invest lots of money.

Most of the other stuff is stuff they used to do for free anyway, and it's all basically just advertising for their miniatures. So really W+ is just a way to get people to pay GW for the privilege of being advertised to, and every dollar that comes in that way is pretty much profit compared to if they didn't get it. The costs of running the service are probably pretty minimal.

So do I think it's a good thing? Not really. Is it going to make a lot of money? I doubt it. But it might still break even, and even if it doesn't, it's still probably a win for GW. The only way this goes badly is if they actually invest money in it, and there are zero signs that is the case.

This is true for any costs GW can control, but for content that has to live on a streaming platform like this, GW has less ability to pay below-market rates. I wouldn't be surprised if GW can goose the revenues or disguise sideways/negative business as growth due to creative accounting/grouping things as "digital", but I wouldn't be surprised if they take a pretty big bath on this. It depends if they keep it around for awhile.

Oh, it definitely costs a certain amount of money. But I would be surprised if it's significant relative to GW's overall turnover. This isn't a bet the company sort of thing, it's a fairly minor sideline.

 jeff white wrote:
I haven’t voted as I was most interested in hearing the better educated community’s response and simply will not have time to use such a subscription to justify signing up. I do wonder if the content will have appeal for nsfw adult minded consumers or if it will be aimed at a Saturday morning cartoon level audience. When I was younger, grim darkness meant nsfw and was stepping away from morning cartoons for kids into the gritty unforgiving real world of endless wars for imperial expansion and all that goes with… parody being that this fantasy very much applied to the lived situation as a critically minded gen Xer in the USA in the late 80s and early 90s until today… the depth of parody has worn thin since recent recasting of the empire, and some of the appeal was lost for me as the game and hobby became more commodified as GW went full on latter day corporate capitalist, white knighting its own empire and expansion for profit with legal violence a growing threat. So, for me, this is interesting, the way that warhammer plus is received by dedicated fans of different demographics… This subscription service might be a move further into the sweet cereal of forgetfulness with sweet serials that forget the critical angle that was its value, for me, or it might reclaim the adult swim flavor and depth of sci fi trope, being the clearinghouse for fantasy concept that it originally was.

Being edgier doesn't make it more mature. And 40k's political commentary has always been blunt and surface level at best (tee-hee we named a Ork after margaret thatcher!) but more generally just kind of confused. They often derail their own commentary with attempts to one-up the grimdark. That confused message is how people start thinking the emperor is a good guy, or at least someone to be emulated or admired. The setting itself forgets that this whole dying imperium gakstorm started due to a narcissistic authoritarian being completely incapable of understanding basic human behavoir and reveling a little to hard in nazi-esque eugenics/ethnic cleansing/human exceptionalism/biological experimentation.

Also, What do you mean 'more commodified'? It STARTED as the maximum level of commodified. Warhammer in general and 40k specifically has ALWAYS been about selling you pewter/resin/platic. It was Transformers/He-Man/GI-Joes for edgelord teens and adults.

 jeff white wrote:
I haven’t voted as I was most interested in hearing the better educated community’s response and simply will not have time to use such a subscription to justify signing up. I do wonder if the content will have appeal for nsfw adult minded consumers or if it will be aimed at a Saturday morning cartoon level audience. When I was younger, grim darkness meant nsfw and was stepping away from morning cartoons for kids into the gritty unforgiving real world of endless wars for imperial expansion and all that goes with… parody being that this fantasy very much applied to the lived situation as a critically minded gen Xer in the USA in the late 80s and early 90s until today… the depth of parody has worn thin since recent recasting of the empire, and some of the appeal was lost for me as the game and hobby became more commodified as GW went full on latter day corporate capitalist, white knighting its own empire and expansion for profit with legal violence a growing threat. So, for me, this is interesting, the way that warhammer plus is received by dedicated fans of different demographics… This subscription service might be a move further into the sweet cereal of forgetfulness with sweet serials that forget the critical angle that was its value, for me, or it might reclaim the adult swim flavor and depth of sci fi trope, being the clearinghouse for fantasy concept that it originally was.

Have you ever seen Heavy Metal, the original movie?

All three episodes of H&B really remind my of HM. No nudity, but plenty of violence. Both of the episodes on the site were pretty grimdark.

Angels of Death is going for Sin City.

Interesting enough, no AoD this week, but no new HB.

I expect it'll do well. The voucher plus the choice of model - both of which look decent - means it's a lot less risky than it first seems. The "GW killed my dad and shagged my mum" crowd are acting like this is *just* the media content when it's not.

Personally speaking I don't see anything - yet - that's worth my money. But if they start putting out content on a par with Astartes I'd throw money at them...

ERJAK wrote:

Being edgier doesn't make it more mature. . .

The Boys is a pretty good, edgy, and mature show that I would definitely not be showing to kids. It's all in the treatment.

ERJAK wrote:

Apple fox wrote:

I am subbed, I buy from FLGs.
Unless you know the future, GW isn’t realising anything new soon I want.

Bit regardless, being aware of marketing tricks and manipulation isn’t some big conspiracy or anti GW.
People should always be aware of business tricks.
As we are all targeted buy it all the time. If you think you are immune, you really are likely not.

That's not really a trick. It's an incentivization meant to ease the burden of entry so that the customer is more likely to experience the product enough to hopefully establish long term investment. Calling it a trick makes it sound more coercive AND mor clever than it actually is.

As far as business tactics go 'we'll give active customers a small pricebreak on our new service to encourage engagement' is both extremely straightforward and mutually beneficial provided the service is offered in good faith.

It seems like a nice thing they're doing for people who were already likely to subscribe.

If someone is a regular purchaser from the GW website, my guess is they'd fall in the group of people interested in WH+.

If someone doesn't purchase from the GW website, they already know how much less expensive the models are elsewhere and a small voucher won't move the needle.

As ussual GW plays safe with their IP and products...which is very logical taking into account how loyal a significant part its costumer base.

ERJAK wrote:

 jeff white wrote:
I haven’t voted as I was most interested in hearing the better educated community’s response and simply will not have time to use such a subscription to justify signing up. I do wonder if the content will have appeal for nsfw adult minded consumers or if it will be aimed at a Saturday morning cartoon level audience. When I was younger, grim darkness meant nsfw and was stepping away from morning cartoons for kids into the gritty unforgiving real world of endless wars for imperial expansion and all that goes with… parody being that this fantasy very much applied to the lived situation as a critically minded gen Xer in the USA in the late 80s and early 90s until today… the depth of parody has worn thin since recent recasting of the empire, and some of the appeal was lost for me as the game and hobby became more commodified as GW went full on latter day corporate capitalist, white knighting its own empire and expansion for profit with legal violence a growing threat. So, for me, this is interesting, the way that warhammer plus is received by dedicated fans of different demographics… This subscription service might be a move further into the sweet cereal of forgetfulness with sweet serials that forget the critical angle that was its value, for me, or it might reclaim the adult swim flavor and depth of sci fi trope, being the clearinghouse for fantasy concept that it originally was.

Being edgier doesn't make it more mature.

This. The WH+ animated content so far has a 15+ age warning, and I'd say it falls squarely halfway between Saturday morning cartoons and Event Horizon.

But you don't need to go full Sam Neill vivisecting people in space to convey existential terror. Regarding a Hammer & Bolter episode:



The same episode is also a fantastic old-school portrayal of how the Imperium works and why it's not something to aspire to.

Before subscribing I was most looking forward to Angels of Death, but it was the stories told in Hammer & Bolter that impressed me more.

 jeff white wrote:
I haven’t voted as I was most interested in hearing the better educated community’s response and simply will not have time to use such a subscription to justify signing up. I do wonder if the content will have appeal for nsfw adult minded consumers or if it will be aimed at a Saturday morning cartoon level audience. When I was younger, grim darkness meant nsfw and was stepping away from morning cartoons for kids into the gritty unforgiving real world of endless wars for imperial expansion and all that goes with… parody being that this fantasy very much applied to the lived situation as a critically minded gen Xer in the USA in the late 80s and early 90s until today… the depth of parody has worn thin since recent recasting of the empire, and some of the appeal was lost for me as the game and hobby became more commodified as GW went full on latter day corporate capitalist, white knighting its own empire and expansion for profit with legal violence a growing threat. So, for me, this is interesting, the way that warhammer plus is received by dedicated fans of different demographics… This subscription service might be a move further into the sweet cereal of forgetfulness with sweet serials that forget the critical angle that was its value, for me, or it might reclaim the adult swim flavor and depth of sci fi trope, being the clearinghouse for fantasy concept that it originally was.

I mean if you're expecting LITERAL Bolter Porn, I think you can expect to be dissappointed

PenitentJake wrote:

 jeff white wrote:
I haven’t voted as I was most interested in hearing the better educated community’s response and simply will not have time to use such a subscription to justify signing up.

Spoiler:

I do wonder if the content will have appeal for nsfw adult minded consumers or if it will be aimed at a Saturday morning cartoon level audience. When I was younger, grim darkness meant nsfw and was stepping away from morning cartoons for kids into the gritty unforgiving real world of endless wars for imperial expansion and all that goes with… parody being that this fantasy very much applied to the lived situation as a critically minded gen Xer in the USA in the late 80s and early 90s until today… the depth of parody has worn thin since recent recasting of the empire, and some of the appeal was lost for me as the game and hobby became more commodified as GW went full on latter day corporate capitalist, white knighting its own empire and expansion for profit with legal violence a growing threat. So, for me, this is interesting, the way that warhammer plus is received by dedicated fans of different demographics… This subscription service might be a move further into the sweet cereal of forgetfulness with sweet serials that forget the critical angle that was its value, for me, or it might reclaim the adult swim flavor and depth of sci fi trope, being the clearinghouse for fantasy concept that it originally was.

Have you ever seen Heavy Metal, the original movie?

All three episodes of H&B really remind my of HM. No nudity, but plenty of violence. Both of the episodes on the site were pretty grimdark.

Angels of Death is going for Sin City.

Interesting enough, no AoD this week, but no new HB.

Thanks for these descriptions. Yes, of course, Heavy Metal was there when I grew into the scene. Sin City is an old fav. I was interested in what WH+ would imply as a window on marketing and future intentions for the game and hobby. Of course, there is room for all ages... with the name "Warhammer Plus" though it sounds a lot like Disney Plus which is for kids, and maybe families who live in front of a TV. So, I was curious, and am grateful for the insights.


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 xttz wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 jeff white wrote:

Spoiler:

I haven’t voted as

I was most interested in hearing the better educated community’s response and simply will not have time to use such a subscription to justify signing up.

Spoiler:

I do wonder if the content will have appeal for nsfw adult minded consumers or if it will be aimed at a Saturday morning cartoon level audience. When I was younger, grim darkness meant nsfw and was stepping away from morning cartoons for kids into the gritty unforgiving real world of endless wars for imperial expansion and all that goes with… parody being that this fantasy very much applied to the lived situation as a critically minded gen Xer in the USA in the late 80s and early 90s until today… the depth of parody has worn thin since recent recasting of the empire, and some of the appeal was lost for me as the game and hobby became more commodified as GW went full on latter day corporate capitalist, white knighting its own empire and expansion for profit with legal violence a growing threat. So, for me, this is interesting, the way that warhammer plus is received by dedicated fans of different demographics… This subscription service might be a move further into the sweet cereal of forgetfulness with sweet serials that forget the critical angle that was its value, for me, or it might reclaim the adult swim flavor and depth of sci fi trope, being the clearinghouse for fantasy concept that it originally was.

Being edgier doesn't make it more mature.

This. The WH+ animated content so far has a 15+ age warning, and I'd say it falls squarely halfway between Saturday morning cartoons and Event Horizon.

But you don't need to go full Sam Neill vivisecting people in space to convey existential terror. Regarding a Hammer & Bolter episode:

Spoiler:

It portrays a Daemonic incursion and what that means for regular Imperial citizens. Spoiler: those citizens do not have a good time either before, or after, the daemons show up.

The same episode is also a fantastic old-school portrayal of how the Imperium works and why it's not something to aspire to.

Before subscribing I was most looking forward to Angels of Death, but it was the stories told in Hammer & Bolter that impressed me more.

Thanks for the insights and (spoilered) review. Nobody said anything about "mature". As specified above, I was interested in hearing about the content as an indication of GW's demographic target for the game and hobby through this medium.


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 Insectum7 wrote:

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ERJAK wrote:

Being edgier doesn't make it more mature. . .

The Boys is a pretty good, edgy, and mature show that I would definitely not be showing to kids. It's all in the treatment.

Thanks for the insight! There is really no way to dress 40K into a form fit for kids, imho. I am relieved to hear that this was not the aim, here.

Wasn't there a line of books ment for small kids set in AoS and w40k?

Every animation so far has a 15 rating, so not exactly made with young kids in mind.

I was actually surprised/impressed at how visceral the violence is. I mean, it’s not graphic as such, but not is it appearing just off screen.

So far we’ve seen a throat slashed with lots of gushing blood, and someone vertically bisected to name but two.

Well, if the future installments and additions to content match to the reviews of some respected voices here, and with the subscription bonuses including coupons for purchases and so on, then after we get into a permanent home with a projector and a place to hang my chip (crisp) bowl, this might be a squig dinner after all...