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2023/02/20 10:39:19
Subject: Army Painter product teaser - It's Not Contrast!
Again, I'd suggest buying up the colours you find most useful while you can still easily get them. It's entirely doable to get hold of a lifetime's supply of what you need with a bit of time, money and effort.
Spoiler:
You know something I dont about GW ink stocks? Are those due to be discontinued colours? That is a lot of pots.
The Citadel shades have been reformulated so yes, everything in that larger pot size is being discontinued (huh, I guess Contrast/Lahmium medium will probably end up in Contrast size pots too) - and the Gloss shades are going away.
2023/02/20 13:35:34
Subject: Army Painter product teaser - It's Not Contrast!
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
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2023/02/20 15:47:55
Subject: Army Painter product teaser - It's Not Contrast!
GW told us that all of the shades were being reformulated last year
Shade paints bring your miniatures to life by providing a dark tone in recessed areas to contrast with lighter colours on raised areas. The experts who make them know how vital Shades are, so they’ve reformulated the entire range to make it even better – Shades now flow even more smoothly into cracks and crevices, and colour the raised parts of your miniatures less, making them easier to use and more effective than ever before.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2023/02/20 16:28:21
Subject: Army Painter product teaser - It's Not Contrast!
GW told us that all of the shades were being reformulated last year
Shade paints bring your miniatures to life by providing a dark tone in recessed areas to contrast with lighter colours on raised areas. The experts who make them know how vital Shades are, so they’ve reformulated the entire range to make it even better – Shades now flow even more smoothly into cracks and crevices, and colour the raised parts of your miniatures less, making them easier to use and more effective than ever before.
And from what I've read their reformulation made the colors much worse and thinned them extremely.
2023/02/20 16:35:47
Subject: Army Painter product teaser - It's Not Contrast!
Sgt. Cortez wrote: And from what I've read their reformulation made the colors much worse and thinned them extremely.
A side-by-side review from Pete the Wargamer so people can decide for themselves.
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2023/02/21 17:44:37
Subject: Army Painter product teaser - It's Not Contrast!
I would wait until some independent reviews are wild. It could be cool to see Tale of Painters made one to see if they have really improve the reactivation "feature", hehehehe
2023/02/22 02:26:18
Subject: Army Painter product teaser - It's Not Contrast!
Again, I'd suggest buying up the colours you find most useful while you can still easily get them. It's entirely doable to get hold of a lifetime's supply of what you need with a bit of time, money and effort.
Spoiler:
You know something I dont about GW ink stocks? Are those due to be discontinued colours? That is a lot of pots.
Those are the previous formulations of GW's washes/shades (nuln oil/reikland fleshshade, etc and discontinued colours. I stocked up so I could continue using them the same way I have for the last X years and not have to change the way I paint certain thigns because "new formulation better". I also stocked up on a bunch of the recently discontinued colours as well. This happened during the relatively recent release of Contrasts Wave 2, where they also changed the formulation of the washes and the bottles from the larger ones to the Contrast-Sized ones.
At work on break right now so can't find the list - it'll be in one of these threads.
(search for "Juan Hildago New Citadel Shades" for a comparison image of "split" marines - he also has a YT video on them)
GW told us that all of the shades were being reformulated last year
Shade paints bring your miniatures to life by providing a dark tone in recessed areas to contrast with lighter colours on raised areas. The experts who make them know how vital Shades are, so they’ve reformulated the entire range to make it even better – Shades now flow even more smoothly into cracks and crevices, and colour the raised parts of your miniatures less, making them easier to use and more effective than ever before.
And from what I've read their reformulation made the colors much worse and thinned them extremely.
They are "better" if you are painting using the GW system. Or put another way, they're better at doing what they're designed to do: recess shade models.
They're worse at tinting models a specific colour, which is something lots of people also used them for. It does make a degree of sense though as Citadel now have Contrast for that job.
2023/02/22 11:52:29
Subject: Army Painter product teaser - It's Not Contrast!
deano2099 wrote: They're worse at tinting models a specific colour, which is something lots of people also used them for. It does make a degree of sense though as Citadel now have Contrast for that job.
Well... some contrasts, at any rate, given how wildly inconsistent contrasts are on application.
2023/02/22 12:16:15
Subject: Army Painter product teaser - It's Not Contrast!
They are "better" if you are painting using the GW system. Or put another way, they're better at doing what they're designed to do: recess shade models.
They're worse at tinting models a specific colour, which is something lots of people also used them for. It does make a degree of sense though as Citadel now have Contrast for that job.
Thanks for bringing up the old post.
Yeah, they've been redesigned for their most basic use, which to be fair is fine - especially for beginning painters. The new formulation also uses the same medium as Contrasts.
I picked up one set of the new ones, but I also wanted what's hopefully going to amount to a lifetime's supply (or close enough to it) of the old ones so I can still continue to use the same techniques for specific things. - And agreed with Albertorius that Contrasts are all over the bloody place with how opaque they are or aren't!
Also, so I still have a nice supply of stuff like Cryptek Armourshade Gloss and the other outright nuked paints and colours..
Well... some contrasts, at any rate, given how wildly inconsistent contrasts are on application.
Is there a strong contrast between different contrasts?
A handful just look like regular paint even with a single coat. A few are more like washes. The rest are true contrast paints. It honestly feels like 3 different types of paint being sold under 1 line because of the medium used.
2023/03/01 13:28:32
Subject: Army Painter product teaser - It's Not Contrast!
Well... some contrasts, at any rate, given how wildly inconsistent contrasts are on application.
Is there a strong contrast between different contrasts?
A handful just look like regular paint even with a single coat. A few are more like washes. The rest are true contrast paints. It honestly feels like 3 different types of paint being sold under 1 line because of the medium used.
Yeah, and there's no real way to know what you're getting. They really should be labelled differently.
2023/03/01 15:45:32
Subject: Army Painter product teaser - It's Not Contrast!
I'm also concerned about this whole "2 hours for them to become colourfast and not reactivate" thing. That wouldn't make them unusable, but just pointless for my own use case.
Stahly, Juan - could you comment on that in your reviews please?
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Azazelx wrote: I'm also concerned about this whole "2 hours for them to become colourfast and not reactivate" thing. That wouldn't make them unusable, but just pointless for my own use case.
Stahly, Juan - could you comment on that in your reviews please?
2 hours for it to fully dry? Aren't these supposed to be speed paints?
Depends how you paint. If I'm painting the majority of a model in a single colour for a squad, I'm happy to do that then wander off and do something else for a couple hours before coming back to fill in details.
2023/03/01 19:43:25
Subject: Army Painter product teaser - It's Not Contrast!
Azazelx wrote: I'm also concerned about this whole "2 hours for them to become colourfast and not reactivate" thing. That wouldn't make them unusable, but just pointless for my own use case.
Stahly, Juan - could you comment on that in your reviews please?
2 hours for it to fully dry? Aren't these supposed to be speed paints?
Yes, two hours:
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2023/03/01 19:59:34
Subject: Army Painter product teaser - It's Not Contrast!
Azazelx wrote: I'm also concerned about this whole "2 hours for them to become colourfast and not reactivate" thing. That wouldn't make them unusable, but just pointless for my own use case.
Stahly, Juan - could you comment on that in your reviews please?
2 hours for it to fully dry? Aren't these supposed to be speed paints?
Yes, two hours:
Im lost for words here, not sure what to say when they errr say reactivation is a feature and that 2 hours is a good thing!
Its cringe the arguments used to clean the backlash of the first generation mistake.
I dont know how they would restart with a clean slate or what they could have said marketing wise in the video... sometimes better not say anything.
I wish them well I really do but man oh man gen 2 will need a lot of goodwill.
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Well, there we are, then. People who aren't fussed and want to save a small amount per bottle (which I guess are the usual AP Warpaints customer base) and people who liked reactivation have something that they can purchase.
I'm not in those categories and this isn't going to suit my needs, so I'll just spend elsewhere. At least they're being upfront about the properties this time (after the previous backlash!), so people can make an informed decision.
I didn’t realize the 2.0 meant 2.0 hours . Not hanging around for 3.0 for sure.
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2023/03/02 04:24:06
Subject: Army Painter product teaser - It's Not Contrast!
NAVARRO wrote: Im lost for words here, not sure what to say when they errr say reactivation is a feature and that 2 hours is a good thing!
Its cringe the arguments used to clean the backlash of the first generation mistake.
I dont know how they would restart with a clean slate or what they could have said marketing wise in the video... sometimes better not say anything.
I wish them well I really do but man oh man gen 2 will need a lot of goodwill.
Yeah, I feel like they would have been much better off to have admitted from the start that the reactivation was unintentional and missed by their initial product testing, and then pivoted into offering ways to work with and around it, rather than the initial radio silence followed by the rather mixed messaging that they went with instead.
While I can't speak for everyone, I know for myself the whole thing left me feeling rather ripped off after going all-in for the set on launch, and with no interest in throwing more money at it, whereas a more honest approach from them at the start would have earned them some amount of leeway.
2023/03/02 06:38:54
Subject: Army Painter product teaser - It's Not Contrast!
from a technical point, a 14 day drying time down to 2 hours is a big improvement, given the problem was present on certain colours anyway
will definitely try some of the red/yellow ones this time as I am really happy with the greens and the only problematic ones was the Sand/light Orange which really needed 14 days until I could paint over it to correct mistakes (though I worked around for other models by using it last)
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2023/03/02 09:41:53
Subject: Army Painter product teaser - It's Not Contrast!
Well, the Speedpaint 2.0 are dry to touch after 15, 20 minutes like other Contrast or one coat paints, but for them to fully cure (which means no reactivation) they are said to take 2 hours.
Some of the first gen Speedpaints never fully cured, you could always reactivate them even after weeks. So that's definitely an improvement.
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. Not hanging around for 3.0 for sure.
