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Waaaghbert wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
When was the last time you played?

2+ years ago

Okay bye

Same thing happened to me ... Last time you played (2+years) and why don't you play it anymore (doesn't appeal to me anymore), survey ends

I mean..yes, theres nothing particularly nefarious about that because if you havent played in 2 years none of the other questions will be relevant to you.

TheGoodGerman wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
When was the last time you played?

2+ years ago

Okay bye

Yeah, me too.

So it seems they don‘t want me to play 40k anyway.

Well...how would you have an opinion on stratagems and current rules if you haven't played?

I decided to have fun and chose ''never played'' and then as the answer ''I prefer other non wh games''...and that was it, ''thanks for the survey''. Really? It is like they do not care about aquiring potential customers...unless, they think that once you know other rulesets you will never want to play theirs.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

TheGoodGerman wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
When was the last time you played?

2+ years ago

Okay bye

Yeah, me too.

So it seems they don‘t want me to play 40k anyway.

Well...how would you have an opinion on stratagems and current rules if you haven't played?

They always couldve...idk, allowed for more nuance or write-in options when giving those answers? It basically tells them nothing.

 Geifer wrote:
That was entertaining, choose your own adventure style. I died after the third question and the survey just stopped. Didn't know this was a rogue-like.

Ha! Same here.

Cronch wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

TheGoodGerman wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
When was the last time you played?

2+ years ago

Okay bye

Yeah, me too.

So it seems they don‘t want me to play 40k anyway.

Well...how would you have an opinion on stratagems and current rules if you haven't played?

They always couldve...idk, allowed for more nuance or write-in options when giving those answers? It basically tells them nothing.

True. I do imagine survey monkey has the ability to branch more and they could have had "what would get you back into 40K?" style questions.

It died for me when i selected the rules were too complicated and hard to understand. Maybe I shouldn't be so blunt with them.

 Theophony wrote:
It died for me when i selected the rules were too complicated and hard to understand. Maybe I shouldn't be so blunt with them.

Was this after you said you hadn't played in 2+ years? Because it looks like it gives you options to explain why you haven't played and that seems like the info they'd need to collect and the rest wouldn't be relevant.

2,500 words ought to do it...

Got kicked out after 'it doesn't appeal to me' while on the PC :-(

Used my phone and pretended to be a little more keen (and younger) to get though the ICE*.


*Shadowrun reference

 Daedalus81 wrote:

TheGoodGerman wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
When was the last time you played?

2+ years ago

Okay bye

Yeah, me too.

So it seems they don‘t want me to play 40k anyway.

Well...how would you have an opinion on stratagems and current rules if you haven't played?

Because I can read?

 the_scotsman wrote:

Waaaghbert wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
When was the last time you played?

2+ years ago

Okay bye

Same thing happened to me ... Last time you played (2+years) and why don't you play it anymore (doesn't appeal to me anymore), survey ends

I mean..yes, theres nothing particularly nefarious about that because if you havent played in 2 years none of the other questions will be relevant to you.

Well this is absolutely not true! There is a reason I haven't played in 2+ years. I still follow the releases, read the rules etc, because I hope they sort of row back from the design decisions they came up with for 8th and especially 9th and I would've loved to point out WHY I haven't touched 40k in that long of a time.

EDIT: Its also just plain stupid not wanting to know, why people quit. Almost everyone asks why you wanna quit something (Mobile-Contract, Internetprovider, even subscription based games like WoW) because it gives good intel

TheGoodGerman wrote:
Because I can read?

If I read a book on chess would I become an expert at chess or would I have to put that knowledge into practice?

 Daedalus81 wrote:
If I read a book on chess would I become an expert at chess or would I have to put that knowledge into practice?

You didn't say expert, you said opinion.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

TheGoodGerman wrote:
Because I can read?

If I read a book on chess would I become an expert at chess or would I have to put that knowledge into practice?

No, but if you had a 20 year background in playing chess, then quit for one or two years, then read the updated chess rules you'd have a fair idea of how things would play out.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
It died for me when i selected the rules were too complicated and hard to understand. Maybe I shouldn't be so blunt with them.

Was this after you said you hadn't played in 2+ years? Because it looks like it gives you options to explain why you haven't played and that seems like the info they'd need to collect and the rest wouldn't be relevant.

Nope, told them I am a current player, just not on the tournament scene.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Gregor Samsa wrote:
Quite clear from the way these questions are worded that GW has zero intention of improving 40k.

Huh? There looked to be plenty of areas where you can voice displeasure.

In a very limited and carefully predetermined Way .

I told them to Make rules and pts Free, especially the Updates.

In a way, I prefer that. I'd rather targeted questions which elicit targeted responses. No point inviting feedback which you have no interest in actioning.

What a flocking joke of a survey. I hadn't been able to play in 2 years because of covid, but since that was not a valid answer I just checked all the reasons. Reading this thread it seems to have mattered very little tho

Not Online!!! wrote:
I told them to Make rules and pts Free, especially the Updates.

Is that all you told 'em? Seems like a waste of a feedback form to me. You've got to get it all in.

I created a word file and just started writing, going over each and every issue that I could think of with examples and alternatives (don't come to them with problems, come to them with solutions! ).

Chances for Games Workshop to officially ignore us en masse don't come up very often, so I wouldn't want to waste that!

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

TheGoodGerman wrote:
Because I can read?

If I read a book on chess would I become an expert at chess or would I have to put that knowledge into practice?

No, but if you had a 20 year background in playing chess, then quit for one or two years, then read the updated chess rules you'd have a fair idea of how things would play out.

If Chess rules fundamentally changed that might be a good analogy.

I just wrote that they needed to start accounting for purchases of multiples of a kit when designing these mealy-mouthed unit upgrade options, specifically using Skitarii as my example (since that's what I know by heart).

Also ended with "Officers and Sergeants need to be able to take lasguns again and they're called hellguns not hotshots".

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
I told them to Make rules and pts Free, especially the Updates.

Is that all you told 'em? Seems like a waste of a feedback form to me. You've got to get it all in.

I created a word file and just started writing, going over each and every issue that I could think of with examples and alternatives (don't come to them with problems, come to them with solutions! ).

Chances for Games Workshop to officially ignore us en masse don't come up very often, so I wouldn't want to waste that!

I asked for more Primaris lieutenants.

People who got kicked out should do the survey from their phone or at home if they want to kick in more detail.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
People who got kicked out should do the survey from their phone or at home if they want to kick in more detail.

Or use Hidden / Incognito mode in their browsers to do it again.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
I asked for more Primaris lieutenants.

And I bet you couldn't think of a single thing that could be improved either.

What's up with this "if you haven't played in the last two years you not entitled to have an opinion" crowd going wild here?

You like 40k and have played in the last 2 years? cool, enjoy it give your feedback and continue. I tried 8th didn't enjoy it and would love to have the opportunity to say why. My opinion is not suddenly "worthless"

Waaaghbert wrote:
You like 40k and have played in the last 2 years? cool, enjoy it give your feedback and continue. I tried 8th didn't enjoy it and would love to have the opportunity to say why. My opinion is not suddenly "worthless"

Well you're not an expert you see, so you shouldn't be allowed to have your say. Only those who regularly play the game and think everything is fine and nothing is broken can give their opinion of just how great and flawless it is.

Waaaghbert wrote:
What's up with this "if you haven't played in the last two years you not entitled to have an opinion" crowd going wild here?

You like 40k and have played in the last 2 years? cool, enjoy it give your feedback and continue. I tried 8th didn't enjoy it and would love to have the opportunity to say why. My opinion is not suddenly "worthless"

I don't think GW much cares why people didn't like 8th edition, because they're on 9th edition and probably working on 10th edition. If I started talking about the state of Warhammer 40k 5th edition I don't think they would be able to apply any of that feedback at all...

You're allowed to have an opinion! Nobody is saying you aren't! It's just probably not a useful one if it's about 8th edition.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
People who got kicked out should do the survey from their phone or at home if they want to kick in more detail.

I don't know, that feels like cheating. I think I prefer having GW tell me my opinion isn't desired and top it off with a hearty feth you. This way at least both sides are honest with each other.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
I told them to Make rules and pts Free, especially the Updates.

Is that all you told 'em? Seems like a waste of a feedback form to me. You've got to get it all in.

I created a word file and just started writing, going over each and every issue that I could think of with examples and alternatives (don't come to them with problems, come to them with solutions! ).

Chances for Games Workshop to officially ignore us en masse don't come up very often, so I wouldn't want to waste that!

I kinda gave up on that after gw yeeting my fav faction and not replacing them with anything aswell as elysians and then proceeding to purge any comments on FB asking for either of those. (Or corsairs for that matter...)

They will only hear if they can make more money sadly.
Not that the community is much better considering that that Pill just got swallowed and the General answer was about :" you play fw sucks to suck" Type of nonsense or better yet apathy.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

TheGoodGerman wrote:
Because I can read?

If I read a book on chess would I become an expert at chess or would I have to put that knowledge into practice?

No, but if you had a 20 year background in playing chess, then quit for one or two years, then read the updated chess rules you'd have a fair idea of how things would play out.

If Chess rules fundamentally changed that might be a good analogy.

How did the rules between 8th and 9th "fundamentally" change?


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Rihgu wrote:

Waaaghbert wrote:
What's up with this "if you haven't played in the last two years you not entitled to have an opinion" crowd going wild here?

You like 40k and have played in the last 2 years? cool, enjoy it give your feedback and continue. I tried 8th didn't enjoy it and would love to have the opportunity to say why. My opinion is not suddenly "worthless"

I don't think GW much cares why people didn't like 8th edition, because they're on 9th edition and probably working on 10th edition. If I started talking about the state of Warhammer 40k 5th edition I don't think they would be able to apply any of that feedback at all...

You're allowed to have an opinion! Nobody is saying you aren't! It's just probably not a useful one if it's about 8th edition.

But the editions haven't changed much. 9th just added more bloat and organised strategems into categories. Post-PA 8th is basically the same as 9th. What made people quit in 8th is still the same reason they didn't pick up 9th.