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Hello.

So I've had multiple attacks and arguments about my work on DakkaDakka over the last few years. Most of these appear to be ideological-driven attacks against me and have little to do with my miniatures or quality of work. All hidden behind the thin veil of legitimate criticism, that I've been told I must accept and I am not allowed to say no that's incorrect.

With that being said I'd like to submit a theory as to why these attacks are completely designed to undermine my character over idealogy, and not because of legitimate criticism. Open calls to reveal who I am and the body of my work so that my work is vetted enough to be trusted that the quality of my 3D models is verified printable, safe to use etc.

All of the above criticism I've received I've long thought was nonsense being an established 3D artist already.

My theory is that people don't care at all about quality in the wargaming hobby, they don't care about printability, they don't care about vetting the body of your work so that the community knows it's printable. They simply and only care about how cheap something is. And will accept Absolute crap if it's cheap over quality, and expect hundreds of hours of work for free.

The community never used to be like this. Around 4th edition, it was never ever this bad. And only started to get this bad when GW started to try to please everyone. The community was never this "toxic" authoritative or frankly horrible compared to what it once was. This sense of entitlement didn't exist. (sure some of that might be due to GWs price gouging but not all) it seems entirely recent.

The entire fiasco about showing my portfolio is an utter farce in my honest opinion. That the targeted attacks against my posts have nothing to do with my work proving the quality of my work, or not showing my work but is entirely ideologically based, or at least it seems to be that way from my perspective.

People claim to try to "unpack" things for me while being woefully ignorant of the working side of miniature production, art or 3D modellig.

Quality, Skill, Printability, clean topology don't seem to matter. What wargamers seemingly do care about is what can I get to play games that are entirely free or as cheap as possible. As long as it's a Space Marine and only if it's a space marine. They don't care generally if a model looks good, that seems to be a secondary concern.

In an earlier post, I mentioned that I was annoyed or frustrated at the fact that people are unwilling to pay 3D artists specifically on DakkaDakka for solid work, and often ghost me, when they are confronted with excessively low prices for sculpting miniatures.

Others have claimed because it's clearly not showing the lion's share of my work printed and on the table.

I have responded with I show samples of my work on a case by case basis. (the Creator below didn't show of examples of this being printed)

To further drive home my theory. I present to you an image of an STL file from cult 3D one of the more popular 3D designers on cults with over 900 downloads.

Why does this bother me specifically, because every BS claim I've heard about my miniatures being too thin, or quality or you're not well known enough to trust you're models can print is completely disproven by this 3D model and what people are willing to accept. The people I'm referring to who don't understand 3D modelling are hobbyists and barely know a thing about 3D printing in the first place.

I have been somewhat frustrated by the personal attacks, offhand comments about vetting my work. It has bothered me a lot actually so much so that I needed to make this post in a way to get this off my chest.

I make solid miniatures that are high quality compared to some of my competitors not all of my competitors, but some. Period.

My skill level is professional and I am a professional 3D artist, and artist respectfully. I have won awards for my work in the art community. The Quality of my work exceeds the work below by a very large margin. Why because I put the extra time in.

So I've taken the liberty of highlighting in blue problem areas that not only could damage printers or lead to failed prints, things that are too thin to print or just in general very very sloppy work.

Some of the above criticism about being to thin or images that have been applied to WIP progress miniatures that I have worked on that I had to go back and label them as WIP and not production-ready or specifically stating they are being updated and are effectively concept sketches. The amount of work you have to do POST sculpting is often hours of work to get something printer ready to avoid all of the pitfalls when you're joining subtotals together( a subtool is a 3D mesh that might make up part of a whole for an STL file)

Again this is one of the more popular artists on Cult 3D. With over 900 downloads and I'm assuming around the same in successful prints. This image shows you exactly why a lot of the thinly veiled personal attacks are completely irrelevant.

Also why wargamers don't care about quality, or printability or more specifically why you're specifically full of crap.

I know for certain a lot of people's issues with myself have very little to do with vetting of my miniatures. But specifically with my attitude towards impolite condescension. Also my responses to being talked down to, being insulted, and being targeted for an ideological reasons. And very very little do with the quality of what I produce.

I put thousands of hours into my work and the quality, sharpness, topology, and artistry and skill show. I was a DAMN good 3D artist before I got into 3D modelling miniatures and I'm a damn good artist and professional now.

The negative criticism of my work is not reflected on other platforms where I've received only praise, including from other professional artists, including Pixologic (the creators of Zbrush) other industry giants, painters, famous YouTubers like mini wargaming and so forth.

And the reason I am posting this is simply that it's a subject that has really bothered me . I have been told in no uncertain terms that I must take this "GOOD ADVICE" or that invalid criticism is valid, and that I can not politely or respectfully reject that criticism with evidence or I am behaving badly, belittling others so and so forth.

I just wanted to say that the people that have targeted me personally are completely full of crap. Your opinions are full of crap and your criticism is completely full of crap. And lastly, the complaints about me being toxic, are directly in response to toxic people who openly lie, condescend and have attacked me. While claiming to be polite.

The image below reveals why many of the arguments against my work are irrelevant. This 3D model is included in the post. Was never vetted, was never pre-tested, does not begin to meet the MINIMUM standard level or quality of my work. Yet remains one of the more popular 40k 3D models on cults.

However, despite the condemnation of the recent personal attacks, I would like to give some kind of apology to anyone's feelings that have been hurt or have gotten upset because I have been aggressive in response to people that have been openly toxic to me or others that, lie, are dishonest, don't have a clue what they're talking about, or simply being fake polite.

If you have specifically targeted me that apology does not apply.

I never go out of my way to intentionally hurt people or attack them, condescend to them or otherwise disparage or treat them like crap. However that in general has been par the course for many Dakkanauts in the 3D printing area. Many of them (if not all of them) are not professionals, not qualified, only hobbyists that simply own 3D printers.

A lot of people are seemingly upset because I disagree with your holy opinions, provide evidence or counterpoint as to why that may or may not be incorrect. If that specifically has hurt your feelings, well I won't apologize ever. Saying "NO "to someone is not offensive in any capacity ever.

Telling someone they are incorrect is not immoral and has never been immoral. Telling others their opinions is wrong has never been immoral, AND NEVER WILL BE IMMORAL.

Telling others that they are offensive for being condescending is not immoral, is not belittlement, it is in fact MORAL behaviour.

Talking down to others, being subversive, being coy, "polite" while intentionally being abrasive, and condescending is immoral. AND WILL ALWAYS BE IMMORAL.


And lastly to others, talking down to them, telling them how they should conduct their business, how they should show their work to prove they can do what they say, (specifically when examples already exist) is not polite, or moral. And never will be moral behaviour.

These people that have attacked me over what I suspect to idealogy or even something simple as cultural differences in decorum aka people that talk straightforward, plainly and honesty vs fake polite ( I say fake polite, because being polite while being an a-hole isn't actually polite)

I have posted this as a way to explain my side of the story, draw a hard line in the sand and say I will not accept your condescension, dishonesty, lies, and behaviour at all. That I will never cow to your demands and never will I bend the knee.

I'd like to thank members of the 3D printing people on Dakka Dakka that are actually decent people that foster a good community. Such as MDSW, Albertorius, Lord Black Fang and some others

The reason I've posted the above is because of the bad actors here on DakkaDakka that have gone out of their way out of jealously, anger, ideological differences, differences in cultural decorum and social dynamics, or demanded authoritative monoculturalism has seriously done damage to my business long before I spoke out against the belittlement, condescension and personal attacks.

Some of you have deliberately attempted to sabotage my business because you don't like anything outside of your monocultural authority, or corporate fake polite bs.

As someone who has struggled to get out of poverty, has been homeless and finally scraped enough money together to start working on my dream instead of working for other people it's especially damaging. You're literally trying to screw me over because you don't like my opinions.

You may not like my opinions about paying artists fairly for their work. You may scoff at being told that you're perception of how much something should cost, does not take into account the fact the artist has to live and afford rent and equipment. Or even just fething eat food. You scoff at the dedication and scoff at the staggering amount of time it takes to make something someone might want to buy.

And the reason you scoff, is often the case you're a hobbyist, living off others' hard work, too young to understand adversity, or devalue art in general as gimmicky. All the while throwing fist fulls of your parent's money(in some cases) at corporate giants that don't care about feeding their own employees.

I have spoken out strongly against what I consider piss poor behaviour as you devalue others' work, time, and survival over and over and over again. And some of you, you obviously know who you are have gone out of your way to damage my business or attack me because I disagree or speak up for artists.

So Thank's for listening I needed to say this to feel better. Maybe even explain why I am upset in the first place, or while I aggressively responded to certain people. It's not an apology to those people and never will be. You don't deserve one. I know that you don't care about the adversity I've had to overcome, you don't care about the homelessness, bloody knuckles, broken noses, sleeping in the rain, going without food, sleeping in burnt-out unsafe buildings simply to find somewhere to sleep, fighting off drugged-out crazy people to protect myself.

But I care that I had to overcome poverty to get where I am. And I care about you attacking my business and my work long before I even opened my mouth to respond to your toxic behaviour.

Sure I have a chip on my shoulder yes I am bombastic, loud and often abrasive when attacked. But I only ever act in self-defence.

This is my dream and my life's work it's been hard to get here. Hard to overcome adversity, and despite my limited success, everything so far has been due to hard work, and struggle and I'm not going to give up, because you don't like my opinions. And I won't go away easily. I will never bend the knee.

(below isn't my work)

That's all that I have to say










- title edited by insaniak.

Bayonet&Ricochet wrote:

My skill level is professional and I am a professional 3D artist, and artist respectfully. I have won awards for my work in the art community. The Quality of my work exceeds the work below by a very large margin. Why because I put the extra time in.

Show, don't tell. I've yet to see anything of yours that I would consider pro level work, or, for that matter, better than the work you are trying to criticize here. That piece has issues, but what you are highlighting won't matter much once it is printed, especially at wargame figure sizes.

Please, dazzle us. Show, don't tell.

"Show, don't tell. I've yet to see anything of yours that I would consider pro level work, or, for that matter, better than the work you are trying to criticize here. That piece has issues, but what you are highlighting won't matter much once it is printed, especially at wargame figure sizes.

Please, dazzle us. Show, don't tell."

This is why DakkaDakka needs a block feature where hostile and toxic people like this fellow can not see your activity, can not respond to your posts.

This guy isn't a client, isn't a manufacturer, isn't a professional, that I need to show my work to. He's deeply offended for no reason at all.

He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about respectfully, and is not someone I would share my portfolio with. If Pixologic has praised my work, other professionals and anyone that's actually received a miniature from myself have called the work of quality.

It's equally funny because I have posted some completed miniatures and some work-in-progress miniatures, that demonstrate professional-level quality is on par if not better then some of GWs work.

In the images, I have posted even the work in progress ones this obvious troll may be referring to demonstrate things like CLEAN TOPOLOGY that far exceeds the image outlined below. And the reason I know it's clean topology is that I teach 3D modelling lessons on clean topology.

He may not like my style of sculpting but the work is solid and has been praised by other professionals in the industry already. He may have missed the posts, he may not like the style personally but I have already gotten praise from other experts in the field, shoutouts from major YouTubers and so forth already. His opinion is based on his dislike of me personally and likely ideological driven and has nothing to do with the quality of work I've produced, if he's even bothered to actually look for it.

So I don't particularly understand his problem here. Why he's so defensive at all. He wasn't targeted, no one specifically but has targeted me before.

As for awards for 3D modelling work and art in general. None of that has been for miniatures, I'm unaware of an award for anything specifically with miniature sculpting/modelling.

Bayonet&Ricochet wrote:
"Show, don't tell. I've yet to see anything of yours that I would consider pro level work, or, for that matter, better than the work you are trying to criticize here. That piece has issues, but what you are highlighting won't matter much once it is printed, especially at wargame figure sizes.

Please, dazzle us. Show, don't tell."

This is why DakkaDakka needs a block feature

It has an ignore functionality. You can click on the user's name, go to their profile, and there's an option to ignore them.

 JNAProductions wrote:

Bayonet&Ricochet wrote:
"Show, don't tell. I've yet to see anything of yours that I would consider pro level work, or, for that matter, better than the work you are trying to criticize here. That piece has issues, but what you are highlighting won't matter much once it is printed, especially at wargame figure sizes.

Please, dazzle us. Show, don't tell."

This is why DakkaDakka needs a block feature

It has an ignore functionality. You can click on the user's name, go to their profile, and there's an option to ignore them.

It's not good enough because you can't request others to ignore you.

Since I'm pretty sure that posting the content of the PM sent to me would get me in trouble, I'll just go ahead and say the following:

"Any man who must say, "I am the king" is no true king." -Tywin Lannister

Also, I am not afraid of words, so I will never use the Ignore function. And please look up Sociopath in the dictionary at the very least.

Lastly, no one is likely to ever take anything you say seriously without seeing some of this miraculous work you claim to be outputting. I have met hundreds of creative professionals, in various occupations, and not a single one refuses to show work the way you do. Most go out of their way to make it easy to find their work for prospective clients, industry peers, or fans.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -Carl Sagan

Or to put it another way:

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -Christopher Hitchens

Dilettante.

Since I'm pretty sure that posting the content of the PM sent to me would get me in trouble, I'll just go ahead and say the following:

"Any man who must say, "I am the king" is no true king." -Tywin Lannister

Also, I am not afraid of words, so I will never use the Ignore function. And please look up Sociopath in the dictionary at the very least.

Lastly, no one is likely to ever take anything you say seriously without seeing some of this miraculous work you claim to be outputting. I have met hundreds of creative professionals, in various occupations, and not a single one refuses to show work the way you do. Most go out of their way to make it easy to find their work for prospective clients, industry peers, or fans.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -Carl Sagan

Or to put it another way:

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -Christopher Hitchens

Dilettante.

I asked this guy to stop harassing me. I wasn't polite about it.

And he is acting like a sociopath.

Stop. Go outside do something else. Stop harassing other people.

Stop trying to troll other people, stop trying to intentionally start flame wars. You are not a professional, you are not qualified, and I don't care about your opinion professionally, nor are you a client, or anyone I need to show my work to.

I have asked this individual to stop targeting me that is all and I wasn't polite about it. As stated he's attacked me and I won't be polite in my responses to him asking him to leave me alone or what his problem is.

I have already shown the quality of my work to other professionals in the industry and have received affirmation of the quality, and praise. In fact, some of the images this deeply troubled individual has said are not professional quality, have been reviewed by other professionals and have met their praise and acceptance. Again Pixologic the creators of Zbrush. Miniwargarming and hands fulls of other 3D modelling professionals I talk to on the regular.

The Quality of my work is on par with the games workshop if not better in some cases. And yes far exceeds the terrible topology presented in the image above, skill and sculpting ability.

Maybe he's not actually looking at some of the stuff I posted, maybe he simply doesn't like the style. The lines are clean, the topology is clean, the cloth and movement are done well, the quality of some of my knights far exceeds many of the sculpts currently in the industry. Not all but many.

In fact, I'm currently speaking to several well-known painters with tens of thousands of followers about painting my miniatures on the live stream. Who has praised the quality of my work. So I don't understand or care about this guy's opinion.

"Show my work" I've already posted over 15 images of either work and progress, or completed miniatures that far exceed many of the top sculptors in the market currently. Whether or not this toxic individual likes the style of my work, or simply judging it based on maybe one image he's cared to look for.. who knows. But it does not reflect reality.

I have posted work even in the work in progress stages, that outshines some of GWs work, including some of the perry's miniatures, work with other industry giants. And I have had painters, sculptors, 3D modellers, qualified people agree with my assessment. I posted an orc head once that wasn't great. Maybe that's what he was talking about or some concept sketches that I had to go back and relate and explain are concept images, or works in progress . Who knows. The infamous ORC image isn't the best thing I've ever sculpted sure.

What I do know is that this cowardly individual continuously attacks and belittles me, has harassed me and many of his "friends" have done so because of his cowardly and hostile behaviour. His implication that I'm somehow a liar is insulting and honestly in step with his behaviour.

Dakka needs a BLOCK feature so that he can not read my posts, not respond, and simply not be able to see anything that will set him on one of his trolls.

I don't know what this guy's issue is but he has harassed me on several occasions.

I do not need to specifically show this hostile individual anything. He can go outside and, take a breath and try to figure out why you think it's acceptable behaviour to harass people, over and over again for the umpteenth time.

The fact he's so butt hurt over this entire thing, when he wasn't named wasn't targeted, really goes to show what kind of character he puts forward.



"Lastly, no one is likely to ever take anything you say seriously without seeing some of this miraculous work you claim to be outputting. I have met hundreds of creative professionals, in various occupations, and not a single one refuses to show work the way you do. Most go out of their way to make it easy to find their work for prospective clients, industry peers, or fans."

-This guy doesn't fall into any category of a prospective client, industry peer, or fan. And he's outright being dishonest here I have shown my work to industry peers, fans, and industry professionals. Will I post my ENTIRE 20 plus year art portfolio on DakkaDakka the majority of which isn't miniatures but 3D modelling, and painting no. It makes no sense to post my entire body of work on DakkaDakka. .
I have no reason to do so. I have explained that Bayonet & Ricochet miniatures aren't showing the majority of our sculpts until a Kickstarter launches. I have on a personal level however shown completed and work in progress samples to industry peers, fans on other platforms with less toxic people. To praise, acceptance, demands that I send an STL file out right away.

Are the miniatures we make an extravagant elaborate golden leaf, minis showing massive amounts of detail per mm in high flying fantasy designs.. No they're historical representations that are designed to be painted. They are subtle and meant to have wide-open areas to paint. And they're meant to have some degree of being posed, like a lot of GWs early tactical squads. That specific desgin choice limits the amount of possible extravagance and movement. There is detail lots of detail, great quality sculpts, but the armour isn't Fantasy based.

Maybe he's upset unless it's specifically fantasy armour. Instead of specifically designed like early GW work to be modular, paintable. Maybe he simply isn't a fan of the style. Maybe he's simply a liar, heated, or hateful individual who is blinded by rage over idealogy.

None of these individual claims hold any water. Any professional in the industry can observe the quality of the print above and compare the topology, skill, lines and detail to any of my sculpts compare poly counts and see in real-time the difference.

Regardless as stated in the title of this post this is one of many reasons he's full of crap. The OP isn't about him despite him taking it personally, and the title isn't targeting him despite him taking it personally. But he's still full of crap.

You're really very sensitive. If you can't handle people posting somewhat mean words about you, I would recommend getting a blog or something else where you can control what is said entirely.

If you post in a public forum, you're going to get responses from people who don't agree with you, or think your work isn't that great, or what-have-you.

"You're really very sensitive. If you can't handle people posting somewhat mean words about you, I would recommend getting a blog or something else where you can control what is said entirely.

If you post in a public forum, you're going to get responses from people who don't agree with you, or think your work isn't that great, or what-have-you."

I am simply addressing the stupidity of the above toxic individual and the continued harassment. Your defence of his hateful and targeted behaviour isn't great. You are also one of the individuals I have set to ignore by the way that has intentionally caused issues in the past. Please likewise set me to ignore.

Yes not all people will like my work. However, the people that actually matter do, and it's not about the quality of the work at all. The quality of the work is excellent. it's the ideological targeting that you keep not addressing. The hateful and bigoted politically based targeting that's the problem and issue here. I have stated the above to Demonstrate that people MANY MANY people do like the quality of my work. But the above individual is specifically targeting me over idealogy. I have reviewed my work with other industry leaders, peers, and fans and not a single one of the HUNDREDS of individuals agrees with him or shares his point of view.

Again why I need a block feature. What specifically about the addressing the trolling harassment is sensitive exactly? Asking a hateful individual deliberately attacking me to stop is being overly sensitive?

Asking this individual to stop targeting my business.. Stop being dishonest, and stop being willfully ignorant is overly sensitive.. No, it's addressed what I feel is a toxic group of a few individuals like him and you that needed to be addressed. I will not be responding to any future posts by you. Lastly, why would go out of your way to defend this guy? You don't need to answer it's more for your self-reflection, as you have been ignored.

I don't see your point and you're not being responded to any longer. And I am asking you to set me to ignore because DakkaDakka lacks a block feature and people like the above person and yourself are individuals I would like to block. Again for targeted harassment. I don't want you to be able to see my posts, or this hateful individual or have the ability to respond to them.

It's not about being afraid of words it's simply to stop the targeted politically driven harrasment.

You have 127 posts and the angry responses started at about post 24 after some rather mild criticism from Albertorious. Maybe this forum isnt a good match for you?

What is politically driven? I have no idea what your politics are-I just know your posts involve a lot of lashing out at perceived slights.

 Flinty wrote:
You have 127 posts and the angry responses started at about post 24 after some rather mild criticism from Albertorious. Maybe this forum isnt a good match for you?

The clarion call of othering people, prejudice bigotry, and being exclusionary. "Maybe it's not made for you"

And as for angry responses it was in kind to targeted behaviour from individuals including the silly person above. I've already worked out things with Albertorious and addressed his criticism at the time I thought him to be targeting me explained it wasn't the case. Others have started the hateful and bigoted targeting after the fact. And have continued to use that to start flame wars.

Again I don't see a problem here Albertorius at the time was being aggressive and abrasive I responded with equal measure.

You want to glaze of the targeted harassment, that came later that's not my concern that isn't related to Albertorious who talked it out. Alright, cherry-pick away.

It’s a free forum. You can choose to be exceedingly insulting to everyone involved, and apparently very stressed all the time, or you could do something more fun with your time. Not sure that’s exclusionary as such.

If you're too cool for Dakka then just leave?

I don't get how that's so complicated. I mean I guess I'm not the target audience of "famous youtubers" and "professionals" but you sound terrible to work with.

 Flinty wrote:
It’s a free forum. You can choose to be exceedingly insulting to everyone involved, and apparently very stressed all the time, or you could do something more fun with your time. Not sure that’s exclusionary as such.

To be honest, here It would be nice to have "FUN" if it wasn't for targeted harassment, prejudice, people like yourself cherry-picking arguments and or dog piling on, over perceived slights of against Albertorious. You can continue to ignore the continued harassment, dog piling, lies, ideological driven attacks and harassment or you could address the problem of the FEW individuals who dog pile on others.

I'm not sure why you glaze over the targeted harassment, why you outright ignore the dog piling but it's old hat at this point.

Albertorious was apologized to, the hate never stopped from the people you're defending, not calling out. At the time I was losing my mother to illness. And was stressed out. But again Albertorious was talked to and came to terms with being upset at each other.

And yes "Maybe it's not for you" Is an extremely bigoted, and prejudiced statement.





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 ScarletRose wrote:
If you're too cool for Dakka then just leave?

I don't get how that's so complicated. I mean I guess I'm not the target audience of "famous youtubers" and "professionals" but you sound terrible to work with.

Ah yes, the dog piling continues and the harassment never ceases. Maybe if you actually read what I posted you would have a differing opinion. Furthermore, I have never once claimed that all of DakkaDakka was specifically targeting me. You are perceiving me responding to hateful individuals that have targeted me specifically and addressing the concerns and attacks of the individuals. As targeting ALL of DakkaDakka. Not once AT ANY POINT has stated I was BETTER than DakkaDakka, or to cool for school, or better then any specific individual. However, the quality of my work was outlined to address that I have been targeted by hateful individuals that are doing so for ideological reasons, and not because the QUALITY OF THE WORK is amateurish. WHICH WAS REQUIRED TO HIGHLIGHT THE SPECIFIC HARASSMENT OF INDIVIDUALS DOES NOT REFLECT THE REALITY OF THE WORK PRESENTED.

I have simply stated t that the excuse for the criticism is invalid. It doesn't even come off as SMUG in any capacity. If you don't like my posts you're more than welcome to leave as well.

I specifically wasn't being smug. But you are. There is no reason for you to add to the aggressive behaviour of idealogical-driven attacks by a few indviduals.

Yes. We are definitely harassing you. Why, we even made a thread talking about how full of crap you are! /s

Take some time to recenter yourself. Take a deep breath. Try to apologize and start with a clean slate-if you acknowledge you’ve overreacted and act more polite in the future, I’d be perfectly fine letting the past be the past. I’d hope the others here feel the same.

Bayonet&Ricochet wrote:
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 ScarletRose wrote:
If you're too cool for Dakka then just leave?

I don't get how that's so complicated. I mean I guess I'm not the target audience of "famous youtubers" and "professionals" but you sound terrible to work with.

Ah yes, the dog piling continues and the harassment never ceases. Maybe if you actually read what I posted you would have a differing opionon.

I did read it, and to be honest it sounds like the ramblings of a schizophrenic convinced they're being "gangstalked".

Dakka is a decent site, but the members couldn't put their differences aside long enough to organize a bake sale, let alone 'targeted harassment'.

 ScarletRose wrote:

Bayonet&Ricochet wrote:
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 ScarletRose wrote:
If you're too cool for Dakka then just leave?

I don't get how that's so complicated. I mean I guess I'm not the target audience of "famous youtubers" and "professionals" but you sound terrible to work with.

Ah yes, the dog piling continues and the harassment never ceases. Maybe if you actually read what I posted you would have a differing opionon.

I did read it, and to be honest it sounds like the ramblings of a schizophrenic convinced they're being "gangstalked".

Dakka is a decent site, but the members couldn't put their differences aside long enough to organize a bake sale, let alone 'targeted harassment'.

I'm reasonably sure you understand the term Dog Piling. And regardless of your off-base assessment, I know these few individuals haven't spoken out until it was specifically about idealogy. And have so stated in their posting. The outburst from one specific individual was about my open dislike for Patreon's unethical behaviour. That is where this started. I am a former classical liberal, and outspoken advocate for free expression and speech and made a comment about wishing that Patreon reflected the values, and morality of Parlor. This specific individual targeted me ever since, has been bigoted and hateful. All because I find Patreon and its continued support to be unethical. If you're unsure about the specific reason it's bigoted it's political bigotry.

It's like you're trying to be willfully ignorant of the posted material and putting a weird spin on it. Completely ignored the context and intent of the individual posting aka myself. If you don't like the posts leave. I can say the same to you. I have no problems with some of the community, but there are a few very toxic individuals I have called out for targeted harassment. Have they started a conspiracy to attack me.. NO that's not what targeting means. Have some individuals specifically been hostile over idealogy on a person-by-person basis? Taking extreme takes yes..

No one is talking about a conspiracy. Furthermore, it's pretty sad that you're defending their behaviour.

JNAProductions

"Yes. We are definitely harassing you. Why, we even made a thread talking about how full of crap you are! /s

Take some time to recenter yourself. Take a deep breath. Try to apologize and start with a clean slate-if you acknowledge you’ve overreacted and act more polite in the future, I’d be perfectly fine letting the past be the past. I’d hope the others here feel the same."

I would like to state that I have asked you twice now to set me to ignore and again wonder why DakkaDakka has no block feature.

I will never apologize to people that do not deserve an apology. But I agree to let the past be the past. Something you are not doing yourself and others are not doing.

I am allowed to address the targeted harassment of a few individuals in as a polite way as possible. And I have a god-given right to address the bigoted harassment of one individual.

You're behaviour and insults outtakes assessment has been nothing but hostile and continue to be belittling insulting, condescending and outright cherry-picking. You sweep over the bad behaviour of others and have continued to troll on multiple occasions. I don't appreciate, condone or respect your off-base irrelevant takes, and condemn your responses when you outright refuse to acknowledge the bad behaviour of others. Especially when it is motivated by political hate.

Everything that you have accused me of has been expressed by you ten fold. That is why I ask you to ignore me and vice versa and wish that Dakka had a BLOCK feature.

But it’s about presentation. I haven’t particularly read many of your posts, but I come into this sub forum and find a post directly insulting me. I did read your initial post and I’m afraid you are probably correct, that in general, people prefer something that is cheap and “good enough” rather than appointing a professional artist for hundreds of leu for perfection. Chasing hobbying Wargamers In a public forum for business is one thing, but it sends out the wrong message when you start shrieking at them for being philistines.

My experience on this forum is that people are happy to provide advice for free, but feel a bit put out if you immediately call them out for being condescending and assume that they have no right to share their experiences with you.

 Flinty wrote:
But it’s about presentation. I haven’t particularly read many of your posts, but I come into this sub forum and find a post directly insulting me. I did read your initial post and I’m afraid you are probably correct, that in general, people prefer something that is cheap and “good enough” rather than appointing a professional artist for hundreds of leu for perfection. Chasing hobbying Wargamers In a public forum for business is one thing, but it sends out the wrong message when you start shrieking at them for being philistines.

My experience on this forum is that people are happy to provide advice for free, but feel a bit put out if you immediately call them out for being condescending and assume that they have no right to share their experiences with you.

You're exaggerating a little bit here. And I can't remember a specific incident of targeting you or insulting you. If that is the case maybe it was warranted or maybe it's not. Because I generally don't respond to others unless it's self-defence.

One of the issues with online chat is there is no TONE..others place their view of the emotional depth, tone, and feel of something negative far far out of the intent of the authors of the written statement.

If I have insulted you accidentally I will say that I didn't intend to. If I insulted you directly it was in response to your behaviour first.

I have not accused anyone of being a philistine or implied that they are. I have responded to specific harassment from certain individuals. There is very little about the Orginal Post that is a condemnation of all of DakkDakka.

However, I appreciate you being mostly civil. And actually addressing the point about " I did read your initial post and I’m afraid you are probably correct, that in general, people prefer something that is cheap and “good enough." It was an honest attempt to be civil and politely discuss things, and I applaud you for the effort.

I would like to note that I never charge hundreds of dollars unless the sculpting work warrants the amount of time and the work is excessively complicated. When it comes to miniatures. When it comes to game art professional level clients, and commercial art it's a different story.

I have to be honest, this thread really confuses me. There seems to be a sort of paranoia regarding people undermining his work, and the constant need to defend himself, and then these lengthy screeds.

I think that as long as you find people making rational purchasing choices to be a sort of vicious personal attack against you, you're going to go through life a very frustrated person.

"One of the issues with online chat is there is no TONE..others place their view of the emotional depth, tone, and feel of something negative far far out of the intent of the authors of the written statement"

@Bayonet&Richochet
Did you really just write that with a straight face?

 Polonius wrote:
I have to be honest, this thread really confuses me. There seems to be a sort of paranoia regarding people undermining his work, and the constant need to defend himself, and then these lengthy screeds.

I think that as long as you find people making rational purchasing choices to be a sort of vicious personal attack against you, you're going to go through life a very frustrated person.

"The outburst from one specific individual was about my open dislike for Patreon's unethical behaviour. That is where this started. I am a former classical liberal, and outspoken advocate for free expression and speech and made a comment about wishing that Patreon reflected the values, and morality of Parlor. This specific individual targeted me ever since, has been bigoted and hateful. All because I find Patreon and its continued support to be unethical. If you're unsure about the specific reason it's bigoted it's political bigotry. "

I don't think I really need to explain the bigoted political hate any further. And actually, none of it's about defending my work. It's about the constant harassment of specific individuals to show my portfolio the fact they continue to troll and bring up this particular thing and politically motivated hate.


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 Gargantuan wrote:
"One of the issues with online chat is there is no TONE..others place their view of the emotional depth, tone, and feel of something negative far far out of the intent of the authors of the written statement"

@Bayonet&Richochet
Did you really just write that with a straight face?

Yes, I did. Because TONE is not translated over text.

Bayonet&Ricochet wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
I have to be honest, this thread really confuses me. There seems to be a sort of paranoia regarding people undermining his work, and the constant need to defend himself, and then these lengthy screeds.

I think that as long as you find people making rational purchasing choices to be a sort of vicious personal attack against you, you're going to go through life a very frustrated person.

"The outburst from one specific individual was about my open dislike for Patreon's unethical behaviour. That is where this started. I am a former classical liberal, and outspoken advocate for free expression and speech and made a comment about wishing that Patreon reflected the values, and morality of Parlor. This specific individual targeted me ever since, has been bigoted and hateful. All because I find Patreon and its continued support to be unethical. If you're unsure about the specific reason it's bigoted it's political bigotry. "

I don't think I really need to explain the bigoted political hate any further.

so your a firm believer in free speech who constantly complains about what other people say?

Bayonet&Ricochet wrote:
Ah yes, the dog piling continues

"Man who comes looking for fight finds one" is the other way to describe this thread.

Whatever the backstory is... I legitimately have no idea who you are.

Are there any examples of your work?

In general the idea people only care about price is... maybe true, maybe not. It depends what industry. The airline industry has a CEO - I can't recall who - who complained that people want this and that in an airline, but in the end, they will fly with whoever is 50 cents cheaper. However, I don't think that applies to stuff like wargaming or else we'd all be proxying Bones or whatever.

 Polonius wrote:

Bayonet&Ricochet wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
I have to be honest, this thread really confuses me. There seems to be a sort of paranoia regarding people undermining his work, and the constant need to defend himself, and then these lengthy screeds.

I think that as long as you find people making rational purchasing choices to be a sort of vicious personal attack against you, you're going to go through life a very frustrated person.

"The outburst from one specific individual was about my open dislike for Patreon's unethical behaviour. That is where this started. I am a former classical liberal, and outspoken advocate for free expression and speech and made a comment about wishing that Patreon reflected the values, and morality of Parlor. This specific individual targeted me ever since, has been bigoted and hateful. All because I find Patreon and its continued support to be unethical. If you're unsure about the specific reason it's bigoted it's political bigotry. "

I don't think I really need to explain the bigoted political hate any further.

so your a firm believer in free speech who constantly complains about what other people say?

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

The words above reportedly originated with an English author named Evelyn Beatrice Hall in 1906.



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 Ouze wrote:

Bayonet&Ricochet wrote:
Ah yes, the dog piling continues

"Man who comes looking for fight finds one" is the other way to describe this thread.

Whatever the backstory is... I legitimately have no idea who you are.

Are there any examples of your work?

In general the idea people only care about price is... maybe true, maybe not. It depends what industry. The airline industry has a CEO - I can't recall who - who complained that people want this and that in an airline, but in the end, they will fly with whoever is 50 cents cheaper. However, I don't think that applies to stuff like wargaming or else we'd all be proxying Bones or whatever.

Well you can claim that I am tilting at windmills or you can factually understand a reasoned response to political hate, and being targeted by hateful people. And to bring that hateful political-driven bigotry to the light of day.

The thread title accuses all Wargamers of being full of crap. It’s demeaning and unnecessarily abrasive. For unnecessary personal attacks there are the mods. Tarring everyone with a massive brush is not a useful response.

Bayonet&Ricochet wrote:
you can factually understand a reasoned response to political hate, and being targeted by hateful people. And to bring that hateful political-driven bigotry to the light of day.

I have absolutely no idea what your politics are. You should consider that you are getting a negative reception because you opened the discussion by gaking on the floor.

Legitimately, can you show your work?

 Flinty wrote:
The thread title accuses all Wargamers of being full of crap. It’s demeaning and unnecessarily abrasive. For unnecessary personal attacks there are the mods. Tarring everyone with a massive brush is not a useful response.

I think it addresses specific bad actors in the community that are full of crap. That have targeted me due to idealogy. Since you now understand the intent and context of the original post, because of I have just stated it's intent, and why.

You can rest easy it's not about everyone or all of DakkaDakka. To be fair some of the Original post does address some negative criticism of my work that's honestly off base, and demonstrate why those saying so are full of crap.


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 Ouze wrote:

Bayonet&Ricochet wrote:
you can factually understand a reasoned response to political hate, and being targeted by hateful people. And to bring that hateful political-driven bigotry to the light of day.

I have absolutely no idea what your politics are. You should consider that you are getting a negative reception because you opened the discussion by gaking on the floor.

Legitimately, can you show your work?

"The outburst from one specific individual was about my open dislike for Patreon's unethical behaviour. That is where this started. I am a former classical liberal, and outspoken advocate for free expression and speech and made a comment about wishing that Patreon reflected the values, and morality of Parlor. This specific individual targeted me ever since, has been bigoted and hateful. All because I find Patreon and its continued support to be unethical. If you're unsure about the specific reason it's bigoted it's political bigotry. "

You're up to speed now.

Also "Legitimately, can you show your work" Yes and I have I don't see the problem here. Check around Dakka Dakka you can several completed and work in progress sculpts. Will I go dig for them.. No I don't care to.

Now I think I've addressed all of the misplaced rage and anger I care to respond to. From individuals that feel put out, thinking their community is being targeted as a whole, when it's not the case.

I have stated my points there plane and easy to understand. I am not responsible for your emotional state or anyone emotional states and I don't care to address this any longer.

"The outburst from one specific individual was about my open dislike for Patreon's unethical behaviour. That is where this started. I am a former classical liberal, and outspoken advocate for free expression and speech and made a comment about wishing that Patreon reflected the values, and morality of Parlor. This specific individual targeted me ever since, has been bigoted and hateful. All because I find Patreon and its continued support to be unethical. If you're unsure about the specific reason it's bigoted it's political bigotry. "

You all have your response what this is about why it was posted. It's specifically about targeted harassment, ideological-driven political bigotry, and hate. And it's specifically addressing some criticism about my work. Or the psychotic obsessive calls to post my portfolio.

If you want to see the PREVIEWS Bayonet & Ricochet has posted of work-in-progress sculpts they are scattered around DakkaDakka.


I am a conservative I am drawing attention to the hateful politically driven attacks against my person. The harassment about only posting PREVIEWS about Bayonet & Ricochet miniatures upcoming work. You all honestly need to stop it's getting out of hand and obsessive, and borderline psychopathic about the portfolio thing.It's obsessive and it's gross at this point. Bayonet & Ricochet miniatures made a point to not show the majority of our sculpts until a kick-starter launch. That was agreed upon during a company meeting long ago, and I can not outvote my business partners.

If you want my 3D modelling portfolio with my real name on it.. Never going to happen.

Bayonet & Ricochet miniatures do not use soft, corporate monocultural language we specifically address others like human beings. The continued harassment against us needs to stop.

So, If you got a problem with one or a few members of DakkaDakka, why not just put them on your ignore list and be on your merry way?