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If the owner says "get out", don't care about your free speech or such : you just get out. Especially in a land where people can own and use guns much more freely.

In almost every game store I have been in the past 20 years here, a good chunk of the players present are carrying concealed pistols (most of them licensed to do so, some... not licensed to do so). Most of the shopkeepers I know also are carrying on their person.

Right before covid we had a big event held at one of our stores and there were people showing off their weapons lol.

Good on GW.

HEre is the thing
If you see a cross or crescent star symbol all that says is that person is Christian or muslim. It doesn say whether they believe in LGBTQ+ rights because there are those who believe in that and those that dont.
If you see a swastika, iron cross, SS symbol, IT says that person is a Nazi, and no nazi supports LGBTQ rights.
THERE ARE NO GOOD NAZIS

 auticus wrote:

If the owner says "get out", don't care about your free speech or such : you just get out. Especially in a land where people can own and use guns much more freely.

In almost every game store I have been in the past 20 years here, a good chunk of the players present are carrying concealed pistols (most of them licensed to do so, some... not licensed to do so). Most of the shopkeepers I know also are carrying on their person.

Right before covid we had a big event held at one of our stores and there were people showing off their weapons lol.

And you say that's still not a cyberpunk dystopia?

 Albertorius wrote:

 Londinium wrote:
Oh I agree. It was done to get Primaris into the setting (amongst other stuff) and I think all the Primaris lore is nonsense but once they decided to persue the Fall of Cadia storyline, Guilliman was the obvious saviour unless GW wanted to go down a really dark route of having the Imperium openly shatter into hundreds of pieces. In which case the setting would have been nothing other than post-apocalyptic survival and the slow but inevitable death of humanity. Hell in that scenario you'd barely be able to sustain the logistical ability to deploy Space Marines, which would remove the posterboys of the setting. Regardless of what some 40k neckbeards on the internet insist upon, there has always been a glimmer of hope in the Imperium and the 40k setting, it needs to have that hope or else it'd be relentlessly grindingly dull.

Dunno. The Fall of the Roman Empire (and every other before and after) didn't exactly cause "post-apocalyptic survival and the slow but inevitable death of humanity" (or romanity, in that case, you know ^^). Nations fall, nations rise, some heirs to the old ones, some new ones.

The Romans weren't fighting awakening hyper advanced space-robots, hive mind entities that are hinted as already having consumed other galaxies, an insidious enemy within devoted to worshipping gods powered by people's literal thoughts, a race that loves war and literally gets bigger by fighting etc etc. However we're digressing.

 Nurglitch wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Sarouan wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

And do you really want a company to be able to define what is socially acceptable?
Afterall the only thing companies are after is money and their blatant double standards are well observed, take f.e. hollywood and how they censor stuff for the chinese market.

No, but we're at this point where having a company saying that is already a great thing. Since our right-wing leaders would rather do the opposite, strangely.

Or what, do you think having neo-nazis with neo-nazi symbols and saying LGBT guys are trash and should be killed on sight with muslims and leftists are socially acceptable ? If your answer is "yes", well, that's all I need to know to do what is really "socially acceptable" here.

-but muslims are also saying LGBT guys and leftists should be killed on sight?

No. You are smarter than this I know it.
There is no good Nazi that advocates for LGBT rights or Racial justice.
There are good Muslims though, infact a good majority.

Vast majority of Muslims believe homosexuality to be a sin and would prefer it be illegal. This isn't disputed, it's a fact borne out repeatedly, look at literally any poll, including Western nations.

The vast majority of Christians would agree. Doesn't mean it's actually part of their creed or that they can't be taught otherwise. There's solid minorities of both who are good people.

I deleted my post because I don't want to be in a political conversation, I honestly think arguing politics with strangers online is possibly the worst way people can spend their time, not kidding. However since it's been quoted anyway I'll clarify and say I think the majority of people of faith are good people, not the minority, but also my opinion doesn't change the fact that Islam is fundamentally anti-gay in a way that the other major religions, in their 21st Century incarnations, are not.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
There also may just be some storylines that are kinda dated and not good anymore, period. Take pretty much any 19th century adventure stories that involve going into the heart of uncivilized lands as a civilized white dude with a gun and gumption: they probably wouldn't be received very well now. They might even be something of a liability, because they look backward and support views now associated with people with attitudes that don't look very nice in this millennium.

Flashman manages to hang in there...


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Not Online!!! wrote:


One of the leading countries of the EU hasn't even a ratified constitution, you know the baseline most important bit of a functional democratic rule of law tree?

But the UK left!

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
The biggest irony is the forum avatar.
A character from a race of people oppressed in their world

No no this checks out, right wing extremists do literally think they're the ones being oppressed.

GW didn't have to make this statement, it's cool that they did.

The plebs were getting a bit loud mouthed here lately about GW. A few statements about them Nazis ought to sort them out. Ahhahahahahaha! Oh my, you guys.

 frankelee wrote:
The plebs were getting a bit loud mouthed here lately about GW. A few statements about them Nazis ought to sort them out. Ahhahahahahaha! Oh my, you guys.

Just... what is that supposed to even mean?

 frankelee wrote:
The plebs were getting a bit loud mouthed here lately about GW. A few statements about them Nazis ought to sort them out. Ahhahahahahaha! Oh my, you guys.

Don't go cutting yourself on that edge...

Dudeface wrote:

 frankelee wrote:
The plebs were getting a bit loud mouthed here lately about GW. A few statements about them Nazis ought to sort them out. Ahhahahahahaha! Oh my, you guys.

Just... what is that supposed to even mean?

I think it's an allusion to the fact that they at least used to get bread and circuses back in the good old days, which is clearly better than this.

So, other than iconography considered illegal under local law, who's making the calls on what is and isn't a hate-group imagery?

Like, do I get to complain about someone wearing a RAF badge in a GW store (and no, I don't mean Royal Air Force)?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
The biggest irony is the forum avatar.
A character from a race of people oppressed in their world

No no this checks out, right wing extremists do literally think they're the ones being oppressed.

"Right Wing Extremists" lol.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
So, other than iconography considered illegal under local law, who's making the calls on what is and isn't a hate-group imagery?

Like, do I get to complain about someone wearing a RAF badge in a GW store (and no, I don't mean Royal Air Force)?

What I really want to know is their stance on abortion and or veganism.

You know I saw this when it popped up on BoLS, but I thought afterwards that it turned out that the stuff was just branding from a clothesline, and not any sort of identification with Nazis. This is much the same as the whole thing in the video game Destiny where some armor had a pattern where it could be construed as "KEK", which was LOL from World of Warcraft, and became some sort of 4chan joke that drove leftists nuts.

It seems these days people love to take anything as evidence that a person is a Nazi and we have to immediately demonize and destroy them.

In all my years of playing I've yet to meet anyone who used their army as some sort of underground proxy for Nazis, Communists, KKK, Weather Underground or anything else. Plenty of people with their own personal issues (and lack of grooming), but never outspoken Nazis parading around.

Odds are in this case the guy isn't a Nazi either. It's not like anyone walked up and asked him or anything. He's never interviewed. It's all internet hype and virtue signaling.

Everyone would be well served to sit back and take a chill pill. Perhaps talk to people without becoming some sort of screaming Karen.

Durandal wrote:
You know I saw this when it popped up on BoLS, but I thought afterwards that it turned out that the stuff was just branding from a clothesline, and not any sort of identification with Nazis. This is much the same as the whole thing in the video game Destiny where some armor had a pattern where it could be construed as "KEK", which was LOL from World of Warcraft, and became some sort of 4chan joke that drove leftists nuts.

It seems these days people love to take anything as evidence that a person is a Nazi and we have to immediately demonize and destroy them.

In all my years of playing I've yet to meet anyone who used their army as some sort of underground proxy for Nazis, Communists, KKK, Weather Underground or anything else. Plenty of people with their own personal issues (and lack of grooming), but never outspoken Nazis parading around.

Odds are in this case the guy isn't a Nazi either. It's not like anyone walked up and asked him or anything. He's never interviewed. It's all internet hype and virtue signaling.

Everyone would be well served to sit back and take a chill pill. Perhaps talk to people without becoming some sort of screaming Karen.

The name he goes by was Austrian Painter (a reference to Hitler), he wears clothes from a neo-nazi ideological clothing brand coered in neo-nazi imagery, and when confronted about the offense his garb caused he claimed to equally be offended by homosexuals.

yea, pretty sure the guy is a neo-nazi.

Durandal wrote:
You know I saw this when it popped up on BoLS, but I thought afterwards that it turned out that the stuff was just branding from a clothesline, and not any sort of identification with Nazis. This is much the same as the whole thing in the video game Destiny where some armor had a pattern where it could be construed as "KEK", which was LOL from World of Warcraft, and became some sort of 4chan joke that drove leftists nuts.

It seems these days people love to take anything as evidence that a person is a Nazi and we have to immediately demonize and destroy them.

In all my years of playing I've yet to meet anyone who used their army as some sort of underground proxy for Nazis, Communists, KKK, Weather Underground or anything else. Plenty of people with their own personal issues (and lack of grooming), but never outspoken Nazis parading around.

Odds are in this case the guy isn't a Nazi either. It's not like anyone walked up and asked him or anything. He's never interviewed. It's all internet hype and virtue signaling.

Everyone would be well served to sit back and take a chill pill. Perhaps talk to people without becoming some sort of screaming Karen.

Yes, a guy named "Austrian Painter" wearing a hoodie with literal swastikas on it was not a Nazi. I see a certain Egyptian river actually runs through America apparently...

Durandal wrote:
It's not like anyone walked up and asked him or anything.

They did, and he admitted it - https://wilbur.ghost.io/warhammer-nazis/ &

Galas wrote:
The guy was a neo nazi and his group were all neo nazis.

And the opponent that took the photos, and actually made his presence known to the public, and his group, had a verbal discussion with those idiots.

They said that if they were offended, they (The neo nazis) had the same right to be offended if they where feminists or homosexuals.

I won't say the TO's were simpatizers with any of this ideology. But as all the time, this pieces of gak played the victim card, and said that they would call the police, to report that they were being discriminated agaisnt by their ideology (the irony lol) so with a 800 person tournament the TO's didn't wanted any of that gak.


I don't believe the TO's did the right thing. And people like this shouldn't be in the hobby. Not only because of their ideology, but because it is clear that they were going to cause conflict with all those symbols and clothes.

It sucks but is just a small portion of the present day political climate. This kind of people exist in our hobby. And this is the kind of people GW told they would not be missed.

JWBS wrote:

What I really want to know is their stance on abortion and or veganism.

I really hope I'm allowed to use my gluten free Land Rider made out of hummus in GW store pickup games.

I promise to bring enough for everyone.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

JWBS wrote:

What I really want to know is their stance on abortion and or veganism.

I really hope I'm allowed to use my gluten free Land Rider made out of hummus in GW store pickup games.

I promise to bring enough for everyone.

I'm sure if they had a stance, they'd let us know. After all, it's important stuff. But they don't, so they haven't (unlike this, they really mean this, and it's not just some superficial appeasement that happens to fall in line with the current milieu).

Durandal wrote:
You know I saw this when it popped up on BoLS, but I thought afterwards that it turned out that the stuff was just branding from a clothesline, and not any sort of identification with Nazis.

It may shock you to learn that there are Nazis who run clothing companies, and not just Hugo Boss.

You are reading too deeply into the Games Workshop PR message. I'll simplify it for you before you go on a tangent and hurt yourself.
The message was in response to the issue that was brought up in a... previously closed thread.
There was an individual that went to a local tourney- in Spain, and he was intentionally baiting, and wore a specific Spanish... item.
(That good mods?)

ONLY COMMENTING ON THE ISSUE-
GW has a cooperate responsibility to make some sort of message, because I can tell you that this particular issue in Spain has had an... impact not felt since the destruction of Cadia.

I've worked in the troubleshooting business, and this is just a matter of CYA for GW, based on their logo, I/E company being placed into a position where their public look puts them in the same picture as... that "Infamous Someone" in Spain.

Before we get into the "Whataboutisms", lets focus on a basic business fact.

1. You don't have to have a comment, but at the end of the day, you don't have to be in agreement, that if someone is spouting off a negative image of your product, that you have to get ahead of it, and make a public comment to counter the image.
(This has spilled over to a few direct YouTubers running their gobs's over this specific issue, but it isn't the first time, nor will it be the last that this issue has cropped up.

2. And just for the record, the point being lost is that there is a cultural difference in the places we play 40K in the world, and I'm starting to suspect that there is a... cultural difference, in what is acceptable in one region, then in others, and that there in addition- may be a difference in locally accepted practices, (Such as wearing your Spanish F...ist gear in a local tourney, in your local club.)

3. As someone who solves problems, one of the first rules in life, Deal with the problem before it deals with you. Had GW kept silent...
Lets just say that it is not going away, and doubly so- since there are a few GB YouTube-eer sources picked up the story and are equating the "GW didn't say anything, so apparently they are ok with it." message.


THAT message wasn't for you. It was CYA.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

JWBS wrote:

What I really want to know is their stance on abortion and or veganism.

I really hope I'm allowed to use my gluten free Land Rider made out of hummus in GW store pickup games.

I promise to bring enough for everyone.

Do you have documentation proving it doesn’t contain palm oil?

It does look suspiciously like a Swastika.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
The biggest irony is the forum avatar.
A character from a race of people oppressed in their world

No no this checks out, right wing extremists do literally think they're the ones being oppressed.

Also, I'm not exactly sure why, but anime profiles and right wing sympathizers tend to go hand in hand. Obviously its not mutually exclusive, but I do know people who would probably share <Redacted's> views and they also love RWBY

Maybe it's because 2D women can't reject them?

JWBS wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

JWBS wrote:

What I really want to know is their stance on abortion and or veganism.

I really hope I'm allowed to use my gluten free Land Rider made out of hummus in GW store pickup games.

I promise to bring enough for everyone.

I'm sure if they had a stance, they'd let us know. After all, it's important stuff. But they don't, so they haven't (unlike this, they really mean this, and it's not just some superficial appeasement that happens to fall in line with the current milieu).

See, this right here is the line where skepticism of profit driven corporate appeasement and straight up nazi-sympathizing meet.

Like, we all know GW only did this because they're afraid people might see it and they'll lose money, they could give a rat's ass about anything beyond how it affects their bottom line. BUT at the same time Nazis are bad and aggressively pushing them out of community spaces is good.

Let's not pretend GW's opinion on hummus and GW's opinion on Nazis are equally frivolous, even if they are both totally profit driven.

amazing how "we dont' want neo-nazis and neo-fascists in our stores and events" generates enough...comments to run 5 pages

I haven´t understood a thing. So a guy went to a tournament in spain and did what? He wore an attire covered in swastikas?