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**tneva82**

Would be funny how supposed glass cannon faction's vehicles are suddenly tougher than faction who is supposed to be durable.

Would make power creep quite obvious.

But then again. Troll "leaks"

**Dudeface**

Vovin wrote:
People complain about lots of stupid stuff. That doesn't mean that it is justified. Craftworlds are still supposed to be glasscannons, albeit less so than Drukhari and Harlequins. The lethality may be a general problem, but you can't fix it by overdoing the defensive buffs on one of the more fragile races.

But this is more of a game design discussion. My main point is that this whole "leak" reeks of wishlisting. The first half of this calendar was already fishy as hell. The hoaxer didn't account for the reaper launcher for example. I posted a timeline of the Discord chat a while back in this thread that shows how implausible the whole inception of this was. Then the hoaxer contradicted himself directly by both claiming that the leak comes from a playtester and simultaneously that it is from the reliable source who posted the roadmap.

So they outlined a box that lines up perfect with the rumour engine, the model and units seem to be accurate. We also cannot confirm it's a reaper launcher, there are enough differences it may be a missile launcher instead. If they were iron-clad sourced and proven they wouldn't be rumours any more.

**Wha-Mu-077**

40k needs a reset and a do-over next edition, it's too lethal, everything's too cramped, every gun is used against everything and every faction has 5 layers of special rules. Nothing good's gonna come out of an endless cycle of buffing units durability and then buffing how killy all the weapons are to make up for it.

**warpedpig**

The 5++ is definitely even more of a reason not to bother shooting at them. Wave serpents lack much offensive firepower unless you spend a lot of points. Not the highest threat.

**Khahandran**

Vovin wrote:
The whole advent calendar thing stinks already. The former rumours already mentioned a truckload off defensive buffs for wraiths and this doubles further down on this trend. When the rumours are finished everything in the codex will have at least two of the following: -1D, invulnerable save and transhuman.

So the one unit line that Eldar have that bucks the trend precisely because they're not squishy organic bodies, and the one Eldar vehicle which is supposed to be tanky because it has a shield and always has suddenly means everything in the codex will be tanky.

Talk about hyperbole.

**warpedpig**

The wraiths needed that buff because they sucked. They hardly kill anything without layers of psychic buffs and special Craftworld traits. The buff to the wave serpent is not going to change the game much since it’s a delivery vehicle with limited / expensive weapons. There’s cheaper offensive options to go with that do die easier and are better targets. So far I’d say these two changes would be balanced changes and not overpowered.

Next we need the Avatar to have 8 attacks and 4+ Invuln. It is a war god after all. Also needs two options. Swipe and stab. So he can wipe hordes or characters.

**xttz**

These are all buffs to datasheets from a very early 8E codex released in 2017. Of course there's going to be improvements, nearly all of those units were just copied and pasted from indexes.

It's good to see them making supposedly tanky units actually able to take some damage, rather than just cutting their points to make them playable.

**Tyel**

We'll see on wraiths. You could have a great defensive profile - but if you are paying near 45-50 points and only have 2 axe attacks, its kind of pillowfisted. If however they get bumped up to 3 base for say 40 points, it feels like a steal.

Not really shocked on the Wave Serpent. I think there's always been issues that you have a very fast, hard to destroy, relatively high damaging with 3 guns transport. They got a fairly hefty points hike I think in mid 8th, which I think people seemed to think was reasonable - but then codex creep took its toll and today 150-160 points for a bit of Shuriken feels decidedly lacklustre.

Be more interesting to see if this becomes a more standard rule for Eldar or just a Wave Serpent only thing.

**warpedpig**

There should be a simple rule where you get -1 to hit or some kind of bonus to your save when you move 16” or more in your hover tanks. 2nd edition was great for that. If you moved really far you had some - modifiers to being shot at.

**Daedalus81**

There's an aspect warrior reveal in the James Workshop video!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/12/14/a-festive-message-from-mr-james-workshop/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Article&utm_campaign=xmas+video,+Dec+14&fbclid=IwAR0IOZrBeu6BdaTBkUoPeNU9r6bRKzFN5pNRfsVGnkKw9fcVPsLCO_rINPo

**Dudeface**

Daedalus81 wrote:
There's an aspect warrior reveal in the James Workshop video!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/12/14/a-festive-message-from-mr-james-workshop/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Article&utm_campaign=xmas+video,+Dec+14&fbclid=IwAR0IOZrBeu6BdaTBkUoPeNU9r6bRKzFN5pNRfsVGnkKw9fcVPsLCO_rINPo

Hey at least it confirms existence of something, and we know it doesn't have the musk of dakka.

**Sacredroach**

I love the "Department of Organized Leaks."

**SamusDrake**

Damn you, James!

**Malika2**

Is there a pic?

**Knight**

No, just GW teasing.

**Lord Damocles**

tneva82 wrote:
Would be funny how supposed glass cannon faction's vehicles are suddenly tougher than faction who is supposed to be durable.

Would make power creep quite obvious.

But then again. Troll "leaks"

Meanwhile, in 4th edition...

**Grimskul**

Lol, if the rumours are true regarding Wave Serpents have both built in Transhuman and a 5++ save, I almost guarantee you that GW will not price them correctly similar to how they goofed with Raider costs for the DE initial release. We'll be seeing Wave Serpent supremacy unseen since the great days of 4th ed Eldar.

**Fayric**

It would make sense in GWs mind to just boost the wave serpent instead of fixing the rules for aspect warriors.
That way they could write an article how awesome and powerfull new aspects are, when they in fact just put them in awesome wave serpents

**Marshal Loss**

**Twilight Pathways**

That would give the Autarch an average of 10 attacks at S5, -4 AP and 1 damage. Not bad but without multi-damage not what I'd call a monster. Hopefully there'll be multi-damage relic weapons

**warpedpig**

I’m sure there will be a sword with D2 or something like that. A definite improvement over the mediocre underpowered Autarch we have now.

**Hellebore**

Twilight Pathways wrote:
That would give the Autarch an average of 10 attacks at S5, -4 AP and 1 damage. Not bad but without multi-damage not what I'd call a monster. Hopefully there'll be multi-damage relic weapons

Wouldn't it be S4? Relics replace the weapon, not add to them.

**Dudeface**

warpedpig wrote:
I’m sure there will be a sword with D2 or something like that. A definite improvement over the mediocre underpowered Autarch we have now.

With a warlord trait and a relic they can now effectively clear out a small guardsmen, gaunt, eldar or nuns unit. Not sure anyone is actually that scared of that profile tbh sadly.

**warpedpig**

You’ll have to wait and see what other options they get. Auras. Weapons. Etc

**tneva82**

And whether even those are true or not.

**warpedpig**

I heard one warhead option is a ghost ax launcher. So your autarch can shoot ghost axes. It’s assault 10. S7. AP-3 D3. Could just be a fake rumor

**bullyboy**

Yeah, when I see the stats on that Autarch plus shard, I don't see melee monster. With the AP at -4 he kills 2 Primaris marines.

**Grimskul**

Definitely a bad attempt at hyping the new Autarch, sounds like you have to overinvest to get even a middling amount of melee power at best. If I remember correctly, both DE and Craftworld Eldar have always had issues making their Archons and Autarchs actually scary in combat. Their blast/fusion weapons were always more lethal than whatever melee weapons they could bring to the table, even the relic ones. I think best an Autarch could bring is basically a laser/star lance and that was about it, assuming they're on a jetbike.

**Valkyrie**

I'm more hoping they don't butcher the options for the Autarchs the same way they did with the Archons. Here's hoping we get more than just "swap one sword for another sword, and you have a choice of 2 pistols for a bloke with an inconceivable array of weapons and horrific wargear to choose from".

**Grimskul**

Valkyrie wrote:
I'm more hoping they don't butcher the options for the Autarchs the same way they did with the Archons. Here's hoping we get more than just "swap one sword for another sword, and you have a choice of 2 pistols for a bloke with an inconceivable array of weapons and horrific wargear to choose from".

Unfortunately, I can almost guarantee you GW will be super weird and inflexible with how the Autarch weapon loadouts are. You'll probably have 3 different entries for the Autarch. The one with wings that will only have the options available on that model (shuriken/fusion pistol/power sword/glaive), the one on foot that they're going to fix with the weapons he starts with as well and then the Autarch Skyrunner is basically stuck with his laser lance. Welcome to 9th ed, the edition of "creativity".