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chaos0xomega wrote:
The choice of armored belly buttons for the female guardians is a bit odd.

I think it's a design reference to the other female Eldar models (i.e.: banshees).

The devil is in the details, and sprue arrangement will be the main factor on whether these are a good kit or not. So far though, they already look real nice !

As long as they have enough bits for everyone to have either loadout, and hopefully balljointed heads so any can go on any body, it should be great.

It seems, the Guardians are like the Rangers on 28 mm bases now.

Dudeface wrote:
So with confirmation of the serpent platform, anyone willing to stand their ground on the totally fake rumours yet?

Which ones? The rumors on the front page say:

"There are new Guardian models, running with elongated back antennas and flowing clothes. Plethora of options: different sleeker rifles, dual pistols in the same style, chainswords. Leader has coat."

And, well, I'm not seeing a leader with a coat, nor am I seeing "different sleeker rifes" or a "dual pistols in the same style", nor are the back antennas what I would describe as elongated, certainly not with flowing clothes... but I suppose they are running and and there are some chainswords?

Front page also says "New Rangers: harlequinesque hoods, close combat weapons in addition to rifles, elongated antennas" and thats a pretty solid miss too IMO. From the Eldritch Omens preview - No antennas to speak of, no ccws, they have hoods but they aren't really harlequinesque and certainly no different than the hoods that the old rangers minis already had?

Slightly different image from social media showing a different heavy weapon and spotter:

chaos0xomega wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
So with confirmation of the serpent platform, anyone willing to stand their ground on the totally fake rumours yet?

Which ones? The rumors on the front page say:

"There are new Guardian models, running with elongated back antennas and flowing clothes. Plethora of options: different sleeker rifles, dual pistols in the same style, chainswords. Leader has coat."

And, well, I'm not seeing a leader with a coat, nor am I seeing "different sleeker rifes" or a "dual pistols in the same style", nor are the back antennas what I would describe as elongated, certainly not with flowing clothes... but I suppose they are running and and there are some chainswords?

Front page also says "New Rangers: harlequinesque hoods, close combat weapons in addition to rifles, elongated antennas" and thats a pretty solid miss too IMO. From the Eldritch Omens preview - No antennas to speak of, no ccws, they have hoods but they aren't really harlequinesque and certainly no different than the hoods that the old rangers minis already had?

There was part of the advent rumours stating they'd get a form of transhuman and an invuln, there was a separate poster on reddit confirming it was due to a form of serpent shield. The rumours on page 1 aren't what the last 20 pages have covered at all.

 Vovin wrote:
It seems, the Guardians are like the Rangers on 28 mm bases now.

And doing such unnatural looking splits that it must have been explicitly stated in the design brief to pose them so they wouldn't fit on 25mm

Dudeface wrote:

There was part of the advent rumours stating they'd get a form of transhuman and an invuln, there was a separate poster on reddit confirming it was due to a form of serpent shield. The rumours on page 1 aren't what the last 20 pages have covered at all.

If I put together a summary of the advent rumours does anyone agree it's worth a new thread? At this point it's basically certain that the original rumours in the OP are made up.

Mostly they look very nice.

Mostly dreading the prices.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Vovin wrote:
It seems, the Guardians are like the Rangers on 28 mm bases now.

And doing such unnatural looking splits that it must have been explicitly stated in the design brief to pose them so they wouldn't fit on 25mm

Which would be irrelevant, as 40K RAW has no rules about what base you can and cannot use in your games. Tournament houserules notwithstanding, if you wanted to base yours on 80mm squared bases, knock yourself out.

 xttz wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

There was part of the advent rumours stating they'd get a form of transhuman and an invuln, there was a separate poster on reddit confirming it was due to a form of serpent shield. The rumours on page 1 aren't what the last 20 pages have covered at all.

If I put together a summary of the advent rumours does anyone agree it's worth a new thread? At this point it's basically certain that the original rumours in the OP are made up.

I think it might be worthwhile, there's a pdf summary the guys on the eldar reddit put together. I'll try and get a link.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldar/comments/roeosc/compilation_of_all_the_eldar_leaks_warcom_info_my/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Wow they look beautiful.

I couldn't ask for more.

Dudeface wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

There was part of the advent rumours stating they'd get a form of transhuman and an invuln, there was a separate poster on reddit confirming it was due to a form of serpent shield. The rumours on page 1 aren't what the last 20 pages have covered at all.

If I put together a summary of the advent rumours does anyone agree it's worth a new thread? At this point it's basically certain that the original rumours in the OP are made up.

I think it might be worthwhile, there's a pdf summary the guys on the eldar reddit put together. I'll try and get a link.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldar/comments/roeosc/compilation_of_all_the_eldar_leaks_warcom_info_my/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Lack of dire avengers troops would certainly be a loss from a fluff perspective if you wanna theme a strike force as not resorting to militia.

Plus why even take basic gunmen as elites when you could use your limited elite slots for something more interesting?

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Vovin wrote:
It seems, the Guardians are like the Rangers on 28 mm bases now.

And doing such unnatural looking splits that it must have been explicitly stated in the design brief to pose them so they wouldn't fit on 25mm

Which would be irrelevant, as 40K RAW has no rules about what base you can and cannot use in your games. Tournament houserules notwithstanding, if you wanted to base yours on 80mm squared bases, knock yourself out.

Considering GW's insistence on making 40k a tournament game I am actually surprised they haven't put up a base sizing guide like the one they did for AoS.

changemod wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

There was part of the advent rumours stating they'd get a form of transhuman and an invuln, there was a separate poster on reddit confirming it was due to a form of serpent shield. The rumours on page 1 aren't what the last 20 pages have covered at all.

If I put together a summary of the advent rumours does anyone agree it's worth a new thread? At this point it's basically certain that the original rumours in the OP are made up.

I think it might be worthwhile, there's a pdf summary the guys on the eldar reddit put together. I'll try and get a link.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldar/comments/roeosc/compilation_of_all_the_eldar_leaks_warcom_info_my/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Lack of dire avengers troops would certainly be a loss from a fluff perspective if you wanna theme a strike force as not resorting to militia.

Plus why even take basic gunmen as elites when you could use your limited elite slots for something more interesting?

They're better than the basic troops by most measures though, but even then a battalion is 6 elites and you can always forego some cp and take elites based detachments (Vanguard?).

Ok, all caught up on rumors, I'd say the discord/reddit rumors are probably true based on how accurate they've been thus far. Its unfortunate because I hate the idea of Harlequins, Ynnari and Corsairs all sharing a codex with the Craftworlds, especially since it sounds like Corsairs are being super-heavily watered down vs their forgeworld incarnation from 7th (where IMO they were really cool and unique). Also not a fan of losing Dire Avengers as troops.

chaos0xomega wrote:
The choice of armored belly buttons for the female guardians is a bit odd.

Damn, now I can't look at anything else...

 Eldarsif wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Vovin wrote:
It seems, the Guardians are like the Rangers on 28 mm bases now.

And doing such unnatural looking splits that it must have been explicitly stated in the design brief to pose them so they wouldn't fit on 25mm

Which would be irrelevant, as 40K RAW has no rules about what base you can and cannot use in your games. Tournament houserules notwithstanding, if you wanted to base yours on 80mm squared bases, knock yourself out.

Considering GW's insistence on making 40k a tournament game I am actually surprised they haven't put up a base sizing guide like the one they did for AoS.

Yeah, it somewhat boggles my mind that they haven't felt the need to issue basing guidance for 40k but did for Age of Sigmar. I guess to some extent they had to for AoS since they transitioned so many models from squares to rounds, but the impact on gameplay that changes to basing can have in 40k is pretty big, especially on minis that have aura abilities.

Dudeface wrote:

changemod wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

There was part of the advent rumours stating they'd get a form of transhuman and an invuln, there was a separate poster on reddit confirming it was due to a form of serpent shield. The rumours on page 1 aren't what the last 20 pages have covered at all.

If I put together a summary of the advent rumours does anyone agree it's worth a new thread? At this point it's basically certain that the original rumours in the OP are made up.

I think it might be worthwhile, there's a pdf summary the guys on the eldar reddit put together. I'll try and get a link.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldar/comments/roeosc/compilation_of_all_the_eldar_leaks_warcom_info_my/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Lack of dire avengers troops would certainly be a loss from a fluff perspective if you wanna theme a strike force as not resorting to militia.
Plus why even take basic gunmen as elites when you could use your limited elite slots for something more interesting?

They're better than the basic troops by most measures though, but even then a battalion is 6 elites and you can always forego some cp and take elites based detachments (Vanguard?).

"Rule of 3" caps you at only 3 units of Dire Avengers in a 2000 pt list though, regardless of how many elite slots you can get in a detachment. That should be enough for most though, I don't think I've encountered someone who fielded more than 2-3 squads of DA in their lists (myself including, and I owned 4 full units prior to selling my army in 7th edition, but never managed to field them all at once).


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 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
The choice of armored belly buttons for the female guardians is a bit odd.

Damn, now I can't look at anything else...

heh, navel gazing

They stole my idea for the mobile shield platform. They should just hire me.

Yeah these look okay, pretty decent.

 dan2026 wrote:
Wow they look beautiful.

I couldn't ask for more.

I could have. Was hoping for a weapon swap option (ie, not shurcats, for a decent long range weapon).

But... all things considered, getting the storm guardians as part of the kit, with relatively complete weapon options... shan't complain.

It looks like a reasonable update, possibly good depending on price (and rules. Maybe the mini-wave serpent will keep them from being a 'put unit down, pick up casualties' unit)


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I am VERY glad to see a finecast upgrade sprue go away. Gives me hope for other things.

Hmm, I thought I was rather safe from lusting over new Eldar, but damn if that kit doesn't make me covet it. Very nice, maybe just get a kit for painting, it's not like I'm gonna do a whole army...

Love how the shield platform look like the old 2nd ed Epic Wave Serpent btw. Nice touch.

I was on the verge to collect Eldar before the reveal, but now I'm certain.

Beautiful models. Even the faces. And THAT is saying something for GW.

Great to see CC variant in plastic, would be nice to see a tad more spice to the design, but I guess that's what Corsair upgrades could fill. Please show me the new Swooping Hawks next time around.

a_typical_hero wrote:
I was on the verge to collect Eldar before the reveal, but now I'm certain.

Beautiful models. Even the faces. And THAT is saying something for GW.

Given that I would buy at least two battle boxes for just the CSM I am heavily contemplating keeping the Eldar...I hate myself sometimes.

For what it's worth, the way they shaded the area where the antennas are connected to the back makes me feel like the antennas are moulded to the bodies, and not separate like the current ones.

Might make things a bit more difficult for those that want to kitbash Guardians to make Dire Avengers with modern proportions.

Eldritch Omens previews left me cold but now I am super excited. I used to play Ulthwe back in the day and while Guardian models weren't too bad, these are so good that I'm considering hitting the reset button and building a new army from scratch.

Currently the only Eldar army I could consider building is Iyanden because that can be done neatly with relatively new models. New Guardians open other possibilities.

I'm so upset! Now that Eldar are finally getting most of their kits in plastic I don't know what I'll compain about online! Damn you GW, Damn you all to hell! /s

I'm really excited by these. Well, not JUST these, but the rangers and other models too, all the extra options and Storm Guardian bits are excellent and open up conversions for the other kits. Looks like enough is finally going to be in plastic that I can remake that Eldar army I've promised myself since 4th ed. Army was stolen in 3rd and I planned to wait for them to be redone in plastic, been a long road. Sounds like we'll still be missing a few Aspect kits, but the majority of the army has finally been done in modern plastics.

 Kalamadea wrote:
I'm so upset! Now that Eldar are finally getting most of their kits in plastic I don't know what I'll compain about online! Damn you GW, Damn you all to hell! /s

We live in a period of new Eldar models, but there is no Alatioc disruption table and Swooping Hawk Exarch will never again score 10+ hits with his power sword. MADDENING INJUSTICE! :stress: