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General Hobbs wrote:


The new Shuriken Cannon profile is going to rock.....Until they start giving all Marines 3W and a 4++.

So, 11th ed?

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Segersgia wrote:

John D Law wrote:
I take it everyone saw the February mini of the month?

Yep...

And while kind of bummed this kit didn't get updated, it was never a part of any of the rumours, so it doesn't bother me.

As a non-Eldar player, would there be anything stopping me from buying a bunch of Dire Avenger heads off ebay, and plopping them on the new guardians? From what I gather, they use the same weapons, but Avengers have a range finder on their back instead of fins.

The old plastic Dire Avengers(the one's who had metal heads and loin cloths) were more or less just Guardians with extra bits. I wouldn't personally object if someone was playing with upgraded Guardian bodies.


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General Hobbs wrote:


The new Shuriken Cannon profile is going to rock.....Until they start giving all Marines 3W and a 4++.

With the amount of -1D rules in the game I feel like the D2 on the Shuriken Cannon isn't as powerful of an upgrade as I'd like it to be.

I'm surprised the Shuriken Cannon is going to D2, isn't that stepping on the toes of the Starcannon?

The switch to Heavy kinda blows for Guardian squads unless the hover platform ignores the Heavy rule

 The Red Hobbit wrote:
I'm surprised the Shuriken Cannon is going to D2, isn't that stepping on the toes of the Starcannon?

The switch to Heavy kinda blows for Guardian squads unless the hover platform ignores the Heavy rule

If the platform doesn't have the Infantry keyword it automatically bypasses the Heavy rule. But if it doesn't have that Infantry keyword that also stops them moving through breachable terrain. It would be odd for it to be part of the unit and have different keywords. Maybe it'll have to be deployed together but then separate into its own unit once deployed.

I'm not mad keen on Heavy weapons at all on units that re supposed to be quick. Being able to move and shoot without penalty is all fine and good, but that doesn't make it quick.

Very nice improvement for the Shuriken cannon.

I now feel that little bit better about fielding my Voidweaver and might even grab a second. That said, the rear shuriken cannon was a right sod to attach...

John D Law wrote:
I take it everyone saw the February mini of the month?

Is this a special mini or do they just open a box of DA and give you parts for one?

They just open a box of whatever the model of the month is and give you the parts for one, at random.

The parts are matched correctly though.

General Hobbs wrote:

John D Law wrote:
I take it everyone saw the February mini of the month?

Is this a special mini or do they just open a box of DA and give you parts for one?

Pretty sure they just open a box and clip models and stick them in little boxes to hand out.

SamusDrake wrote:
Very nice improvement for the Shuriken cannon.

I now feel that little bit better about fielding my Voidweaver and might even grab a second. That said, the rear shuriken cannon was a right sod to attach...

That rear cannon is a nightmare. Mine snapped off so many times it has now been permanently discarded.

General Hobbs wrote:

John D Law wrote:
I take it everyone saw the February mini of the month?

Is this a special mini or do they just open a box of DA and give you parts for one?

The ones I’ve gotten typically are pre assembled. That meant I got a grey knight missing a hand once, but I also got a tau with a drone so you never know

 GaroRobe wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:

John D Law wrote:
I take it everyone saw the February mini of the month?

Is this a special mini or do they just open a box of DA and give you parts for one?

The ones I’ve gotten typically are pre assembled. That meant I got a grey knight missing a hand once, but I also got a tau with a drone so you never know

Might vary by store. The GSC acolyte I got last visit to the store was in parts.

It varies a lot store by store and perhaps even customer by customer. Ergo a store owner who knows you're an experienced gamer might well just give you the clipped parts; whilst if they know you're a beginner they might well give you the completed model - or even build it with you guided wise if you're new and have time and they are coaxing you into the hobby etc...


It can also depend on scale - stores in very busy areas might just not have the time or the idea to build them ;stores in more quiet locations with less active footfall might well have time to build them

 Overread wrote:
It varies a lot store by store and perhaps even customer by customer. Ergo a store owner who knows you're an experienced gamer might well just give you the clipped parts; whilst if they know you're a beginner they might well give you the completed model - or even build it with you guided wise if you're new and have time and they are coaxing you into the hobby etc...


It can also depend on scale - stores in very busy areas might just not have the time or the idea to build them ;stores in more quiet locations with less active footfall might well have time to build them

Good to know lol. I live about 45 minutes from the nearest GW store, not worth it to me.

To be fair the models aren't really worth it to most experienced players. Nice but not worth much - its really much more value to new people.

The coins I've steadily collected for armies I play, was surprised that Eldar wasn't this month but I suspect that's because releases are messed up at present so we get what we get.

 Overread wrote:
To be fair the models aren't really worth it to most experienced players. Nice but not worth much - its really much more value to new people.

The coins I've steadily collected for armies I play, was surprised that Eldar wasn't this month but I suspect that's because releases are messed up at present so we get what we get.

In the early 2000's the Bunker in Baltimore gave away 1 Marine on Sundays to paint. I know a guy who eventually put together 6 tac squads this way.


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I'm looking at the old Maugan Ra figure...did they paint his bone armor silver or is it grey and just looks silver from a NMM effect?

Octovol wrote:

 The Red Hobbit wrote:
I'm surprised the Shuriken Cannon is going to D2, isn't that stepping on the toes of the Starcannon?

The switch to Heavy kinda blows for Guardian squads unless the hover platform ignores the Heavy rule

If the platform doesn't have the Infantry keyword it automatically bypasses the Heavy rule. But if it doesn't have that Infantry keyword that also stops them moving through breachable terrain. It would be odd for it to be part of the unit and have different keywords. Maybe it'll have to be deployed together but then separate into its own unit once deployed.

I'm not mad keen on Heavy weapons at all on units that re supposed to be quick. Being able to move and shoot without penalty is all fine and good, but that doesn't make it quick.

As memory serves the Hover Pad has always had an inbuilt rule that bypasses Heavy. So more than likely it will be a specific special rule on the data sheet.

It's been a while since I looked at it but I don't think the last Eldar codex had a special rule that bypasses it.

 Nevelon wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


The new Shuriken Cannon profile is going to rock.....Until they start giving all Marines 3W and a 4++.

The power creep is getting pretty crazy. But fingers crossed it should be a while until they bump the marine statline. We’d get another blanket rule on top first. Or another reset.

Eh. Drukhari got similar treatment and no one uses it. Maybe it will be different for Eldar with the shuriken rule.

Splinter cannons don't have the sheer availability that shuriken cannons do.

Its either in an infantry squad where its a type mismatch (for the usual role of DE warriors or scourges), or one transport type (or Talos, but there are better choices). They are also just terrible against vehicles, which limits their usefulness (whereas S6 matters, especially with typical eldar shenanigans).

Shuriken cannons go on pretty much every vehicle and assorted support weapon mount. Getting stuck with heavy may cause a problem for guardian platforms, but so will any other weapon.

The fact that 10(?) kit wave leaves many players disappointed and wanting for more proves how badly Eldar range was in need of renewal. I remember last year's 11-kit Lumineth second wave and thinking how awesome it would be if Eldar received a similar sized release.

I too would have liked to see even more but I am happy with what is about to hit shelves. Using the current range the only feasible build with recent models is ghost heavy Iyanden. New Guardians and Warlocks make Ulthwe a tempting option and new Rangers and Shroud Runners should form a nice core for Alaitoc force. Saim-Hann wasn't too bad before and Shroud Runners and Shining Spears are a welcome addition.

I strongly believe that we will see another wave of Eldar in near future. Maybe not this year but in the meantime we have lot more good looking plastic options than before.

General Hobbs wrote:

 Overread wrote:
To be fair the models aren't really worth it to most experienced players. Nice but not worth much - its really much more value to new people.

The coins I've steadily collected for armies I play, was surprised that Eldar wasn't this month but I suspect that's because releases are messed up at present so we get what we get.

In the early 2000's the Bunker in Baltimore gave away 1 Marine on Sundays to paint. I know a guy who eventually put together 6 tac squads this way.

For those that don't like the mini of the month, all GW stores should still have marines and stormcast for new players to paint (usually its ones from a paint set or the identical easy-to-build model that comes in that "Get started with warhammer" magazine). That's been around for a long time, way before the free mini of the month. Though whether or not the store would be willing to give a free marine to a repeat customer is the question (I'm gonna guess no)

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


The new Shuriken Cannon profile is going to rock.....Until they start giving all Marines 3W and a 4++.

The power creep is getting pretty crazy. But fingers crossed it should be a while until they bump the marine statline. We’d get another blanket rule on top first. Or another reset.

Eh. Drukhari got similar treatment and no one uses it. Maybe it will be different for Eldar with the shuriken rule.

Sigh.

No, Dark Eldar didn't get the same treatment.

The Splinter Cannon was Range 36" Rapid Fire 3 S- AP0 D1 Poison 4+
It was changed to Range 36" Heavy 3 S- AP-1 D2 Poison 4+.

IOW, unlike the Shuriken Cannon, it got D2 but lost half its shots in the process (making it no better against Marines and worse against anything with an odd number of wounds or -1D). So all it really netted was AP-1.

Oh and it's now significantly worse for Infantry as they're unable to move and fire it without penalty. And Dark Eldar aren't exactly meant to play stationary lists.

Bear in mind also that the Splinter Cannon was already a bad weapon. It had a lot of shots but wounded infantry on 4s and vehicles on 6s. And gaining a mere -1 AP (as the extra damage is countered by the halving of its shots) is nowhere near enough to change that.

Now contrast that with the Shuriken Cannon or even the Heavy Bolter - both of which wound most infantry on 3s and vehicles on 5s, yet neither lost any shots in the transition to D2.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/03/hit-hard-and-fade-away-before-you-get-hit-back-with-the-updated-battle-focus-rule/

Battle Focus

Cringe.

As we already knew from the leaks, battle focus is essentially the old battle focus (6th/7th), but better since you get both the advance and the run-after-shooting. It'll be a very nice tool to have!

And games against Aeldari slow to a crawl...

Sometimes 40K rules are like trying to use the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch and yet there could be an easier way to play...

"Throw your opponent's models in random directions across the room, as if they've been hit by a bomb blast. Your opponent may not protest and you earn 1 victory point."

Well at least they included some wording to say you can't fall-back into a transport. That would have been busted.

Radium wrote:
As we already knew from the leaks, battle focus is essentially the old battle focus (6th/7th), but better since you get both the advance and the run-after-shooting. It'll be a very nice tool to have!

Actually it says you can't make the Battle Focus move if it Advanced or if it Fell Back. So you essentially get an advance move either before or after shooting.

(That may have been what you meant, but I thought I'd clarify)

I'd have actually liked it to be possible to Battle Focus back into a transport. It would have provided a different flavour of transport based shenanigans to the harlequin and dark eldar's long move and charge/ shoot. Jumping back into your shielded transport seems like exactly the sort of thing eldar should be doing.

 vipoid wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


The new Shuriken Cannon profile is going to rock.....Until they start giving all Marines 3W and a 4++.

The power creep is getting pretty crazy. But fingers crossed it should be a while until they bump the marine statline. We’d get another blanket rule on top first. Or another reset.

Eh. Drukhari got similar treatment and no one uses it. Maybe it will be different for Eldar with the shuriken rule.

Sigh.

No, Dark Eldar didn't get the same treatment.

The Splinter Cannon was Range 36" Rapid Fire 3 S- AP0 D1 Poison 4+
It was changed to Range 36" Heavy 3 S- AP-1 D2 Poison 4+.

IOW, unlike the Shuriken Cannon, it got D2 but lost half its shots in the process (making it no better against Marines and worse against anything with an odd number of wounds or -1D). So all it really netted was AP-1.

Oh and it's now significantly worse for Infantry as they're unable to move and fire it without penalty. And Dark Eldar aren't exactly meant to play stationary lists.

Bear in mind also that the Splinter Cannon was already a bad weapon. It had a lot of shots but wounded infantry on 4s and vehicles on 6s. And gaining a mere -1 AP (as the extra damage is countered by the halving of its shots) is nowhere near enough to change that.

Now contrast that with the Shuriken Cannon or even the Heavy Bolter - both of which wound most infantry on 3s and vehicles on 5s, yet neither lost any shots in the transition to D2.

Exactly. Shuriken Cannon is a straight buff, and getting D2 means the Star Cannon is going to get an even bigger buff.