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 Stormonu wrote:
Hopefully they won't Aspect-lock the Craftworlds, I think it's more likely each Craftworld will give some boost to a favored aspect (increased range/accuracy for Alaitoc rangers, bike speed boost for Saim-Hann and the like).

When this set comes available, I'll have to see if I can pick up the rangers - maybe the bikes if they aren't terribly expensive. Rangers are the one thing I don't have for my Craftworld "guest" army.

Back in 3rd ed they had their own craftworld specific special rule and had a unique unit available only to them:

Alaitoc - pathfinders
Iyanden - spirit seer
Biel tann - court of the young king
Saim hann - Wild rider chief and clansmen unit
Ulthwe - black guardians and seer council units

along with some army limitations and force org rejigging, but not any exclusions.

That's what reflected their uniqueness, by giving them specialty units that reflected their focus, but not by banning anything from specific craftworlds.

 Stormonu wrote:
Hopefully they won't Aspect-lock the Craftworlds, I think it's more likely each Craftworld will give some boost to a favored aspect (increased range/accuracy for Alaitoc rangers, bike speed boost for Saim-Hann and the like).

When this set comes available, I'll have to see if I can pick up the rangers - maybe the bikes if they aren't terribly expensive. Rangers are the one thing I don't have for my Craftworld "guest" army.

Sort of like "All Eldar Craftworlds train Rangers, but the Alaitoc train them the best" That's what I would prefer.

re: Craftworlds. Remember that in 3rd ed 40k, they had the Craftworld supplement which let Eldar players run the "Famous Five" with unique force organizations. So Biel-tan could take Aspect Warriors as Troop choices, Ulthwe was the only Craftworld who could run a Seer Council at that time, but could use fewer Aspect Warriors, and so on. Reviving that approach would be a flavorful way to play the Craftworlds and reflect their specialties.

I'd suggest Build your own Craftworld along the lines of BYO Marine Chapter, but GW does not put in the same effort for Xeno codices as they do for the Marines.

As for the new Eldar figures. I like the new ranger sculpts, except for the topknot heads. Perhaps the heads can be swapped? The Autarch with options is good too. However, I don't need her or the jetbikes, as my interests lie with Kill Team.

As for the Chaos Marines ... they seem so-so. Not horrible, but they don't "wow" me like some earlier offerings have. Anyway, I bought a Mark III tactical squad and a Fallen box with the intent of making Heresy era 1st Legion Dark Angels. Those will be my "counts as" Black Legion in Kill Team.

As for when they will be released outside of the big box? Not for a while. For example, the plastic DKoK and Ork Kommandos from Kill Team Octarius have not been released yet, so I'd expect a similar lag with this box set.

my biggest concern is if this will be another phoenix blood debacle pricing wise.

i am perfectly willing to split the box and price and already have a mate open to it for the eldar half, but if it goes over 100 chf for one side because GW decided to inhale plastic glue once again than it is a hard pass, despite the cool looking chosen and the rather nice warpsmith.

And that price-pain tollerance drops quite a bit if it is complete monopose for the chosen.

 Togusa wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Hopefully they won't Aspect-lock the Craftworlds, I think it's more likely each Craftworld will give some boost to a favored aspect (increased range/accuracy for Alaitoc rangers, bike speed boost for Saim-Hann and the like).

When this set comes available, I'll have to see if I can pick up the rangers - maybe the bikes if they aren't terribly expensive. Rangers are the one thing I don't have for my Craftworld "guest" army.

Sort of like "All Eldar Craftworlds train Rangers, but the Alaitoc train them the best" That's what I would prefer.

Well... "alienate them best". The Alaitoc citizens become Rangers because the rules there are even stricter than on other craftworlds.

If Rangers are moving to elites perhaps it make sense for each of the major Craftworlds to have the units they are famous for being troop choices?

Not Online!!! wrote:
my biggest concern is if this will be another phoenix blood debacle pricing wise.

It will somehow cost more.

Really like the Eldar bike rangers but would prefer them to all - biker and rider to have cameoline style so hard to make out but different to the Holofields of the Harelquins but thats just a painting option.

I'll admit that I haven't been paying attention to the Eldar model line, so I was surprised when I didn't see the Ranger models in GW's webstore (not even in Finecast). How long have the Ranger models been out of production?

 Gert wrote:
Chaos is a dark mirror to the Imperial Space Marines. The two similar units being similar is a good design concept IMO because you can compare it with what that CSM might have been had they been loyal. Also, it means you can mix the kits together for shenanigans without losing too much of the posing.
Please let's not turn this into a whine about the design team being lazy, I've seen enough of that bs on other platforms.

It's neither a "whine" nor "bs" to have an opinion you don't agree with I'm afraid, it is lazy. Well, I suppose it could also just be overly-literal if they share your interpretation of the whole "dark mirror" idea. Either way, meh. Also, does this mean we're getting Chaos Primaris now? The face is quite good though, shame character stuff almost never shows up on bitz resellers.

The Chosen could be good, depends on the scale and how customisable they are.

The Eldar actually look pretty great, but their most appealing quality is how they appear to confirm some other rumours. Finally getting new Guardians and the Corsairs KT sounds brilliant.

 Togusa wrote:
Guys, it's a game that has space magic. Let's dispense with the realism arguments, if you want that go to the Historical Wargaming threads.

So anyways, I've been wanting Eldar for a long time. I need to see more new models first, but this is a good start. I'll probably wait until the individual kits come out, I don't want a box set.

Chosen are welcome, I've been wanting some for years now for my BL.

Funny thing is realism and magic don't have to be self excludieng. It just requires professional doing it. Too bad gw doesn't hire pro's

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
Of course its dumb it's meant to be

Meant to be dumb? You think the designer sat down and went "Imma make something real stoopid!!!"? No. That's a silly argument.

Of course they didn't lol. That's not what I mean at all. The entirety of 40k is nowhere close to reality. So they've made something that fits the bill. I'm saying what's the point in trying to ground something that already isn't?

Why aren't the Rangers dual wielding sniper rifles while doing handstands on the backs of the bikes?

tneva82 wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Guys, it's a game that has space magic. Let's dispense with the realism arguments, if you want that go to the Historical Wargaming threads.

So anyways, I've been wanting Eldar for a long time. I need to see more new models first, but this is a good start. I'll probably wait until the individual kits come out, I don't want a box set.

Chosen are welcome, I've been wanting some for years now for my BL.

Funny thing is realism and magic don't have to be self excludieng. It just requires professional doing it. Too bad gw doesn't hire pro's

Realism and magic (actual magic, not sleight of hand magic) don't mix. Because magic isn't real.

Verisimilitude may be the word you're looking for. Taken from Google...

The appearance of being true or real.

Generally, to have verisimilitude, you want consistency and a sense of internal logic. It doesn't have to match one-to-one or even at all to the real world, but it should maintain its own rules.

40k certainly ain't perfect about it, but I wouldn't consider snipers on hoverbikes to break the internal rules of 40k.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Gert wrote:
Chaos is a dark mirror to the Imperial Space Marines. The two similar units being similar is a good design concept IMO because you can compare it with what that CSM might have been had they been loyal. Also, it means you can mix the kits together for shenanigans without losing too much of the posing.
Please let's not turn this into a whine about the design team being lazy, I've seen enough of that bs on other platforms.

It's neither a "whine" nor "bs" to have an opinion you don't agree with I'm afraid, it is lazy. Well, I suppose it could also just be overly-literal if they share your interpretation of the whole "dark mirror" idea. Either way, meh. Also, does this mean we're getting Chaos Primaris now? The face is quite good though, shame character stuff almost never shows up on bitz resellers.

The Chosen could be good, depends on the scale and how customisable they are.

The Eldar actually look pretty great, but their most appealing quality is how they appear to confirm some other rumours. Finally getting new Guardians and the Corsairs KT sounds brilliant.

I don't expect that we'll see Chaos Primaris until GW runs out of normal Chaos Marines models to (re-)do. Particularly because they started embiggening Chaos Marines in 8th ed and there are plenty of normal units, Emperor's Children and World Eaters yet to be done, not to mention any legion-specific units they might want to release for the non-aligned legions.

Denizens of the 41st Millennium can also join us on Monday for yet another miniature reveal from the grim darkness of the far future.

Tomorrow a new miniature.

zamerion wrote:
Denizens of the 41st Millennium can also join us on Monday for yet another miniature reveal from the grim darkness of the far future.

Tomorrow a new miniature.

And today, the pre-order pre-announcement of monopose orks!
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/12/26/da-boyz-are-back-with-another-wave-of-ork-releases-in-this-weeks-sunday-preview/

Bets on whether or not 2 boys boxes, a warboss and the koptas will be more than the combat patrol (with the deff dread)?

Current boys are $36 for 11 models. New monopose... I'm gone say $50 for the 10 (no bonus nob anymore, he eats a slot). Maybe $45 so they're a bit less than the beast snagga boys.

DaveC actually had the prices a little while ago:

Warboss Mega Armour £23.50, €30, $35
Deffkoptas £36.50, €45, $60
Ork Boyz £29, €35, $45

So, old Boyz are off, then?

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Why aren't the Rangers dual wielding sniper rifles while doing handstands on the backs of the bikes?

Because that's Harlequins.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
So, old Boyz are off, then?

You'd think so, but they're still on the store, unlike Eldar rangers.

But that might be a stock thing where they've still got a significant number of boxes and they're hoping for a last minute sales rush because people think they'll be gone.

Voss wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
So, old Boyz are off, then?

You'd think so, but they're still on the store, unlike Eldar rangers.

Huh, that is weird indeed.
I wonder if for a short while we're gonna have two different "Ork Boyz" sets on the store

 Kanluwen wrote:
DaveC actually had the prices a little while ago:

Warboss Mega Armour £23.50, €30, $35
Deffkoptas £36.50, €45, $60
Ork Boyz £29, €35, $45

Is it really going to be 30 quid for 10 ork troops? Hells teeth. I thought the old ones were closer to 20.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
So, old Boyz are off, then?

You'd think so, but they're still on the store, unlike Eldar rangers.

Huh, that is weird indeed.
I wonder if for a short while we're gonna have two different "Ork Boyz" sets on the store

Sometimes that happens. However I suspect Rangers just weren't selling all that well prior so letting the stock run down to nothing or even tossing the remaining stock wasn't too hard. We never have clear numbers of how much stock GW keeps on hand. Plus don't forget over the last 2 years or so we've seen GW run out of stock on a lot of times and they've not had a brake from fast selling products to let them build up much of a big supply (plus chances are they don't feel a need to hold lots of stuff in inventory and tie money up like that).

So I figure rangers likely got put on smaller restock waves and then allowed to eventually just run out until they were gone and then just removed .

 Laughing Man wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Why aren't the Rangers dual wielding sniper rifles while doing handstands on the backs of the bikes?

Because that's Harlequins.

A Deathjester on the back of a Skyweaver...

...now you're talking!

Voss wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
So, old Boyz are off, then?

You'd think so, but they're still on the store, unlike Eldar rangers.

But that might be a stock thing where they've still got a significant number of boxes and they're hoping for a last minute sales rush because people think they'll be gone.

What ever happens I secured one of the last copies of it, on ebay before they skyrocket in price ( since the old box is superior to new one ) . Although I did same thing with when the new ork boyz and then they stayed, so I guess time will tell, if I made the right call....

Dunno, I feel that, given the rules that are supposed to have, it would have been a nice time to give them something different from a long las. That way you could expand on regular rangers and give these guys something proper for the rules.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
'My chameleon cloak will surely keep me obscured while I'm riding around on this bright red jetbike!'

Logically, the bikes are there to quickly get them into and out of ambush positions. It's a small light vehicle that's all terrain by it very nature. They land conceal the bikes and then crawl forward to a shooting position where their chameleon cloaks are very effective. Then once they take their shots they fall back to the bikes and withdraw.

 Sersi wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
'My chameleon cloak will surely keep me obscured while I'm riding around on this bright red jetbike!'

Logically, the bike are there to quickly get them into and out of ambush positions. It's a small light vehicle that's all terrain by it very nature. The land conceal the bike and then crawl forward to a shooting position where their chameleon cloaks are very effective. Then once they take their shots they fall back to the bikes and withdraw.

According to the supposedly leaking rules... sort of? They are supposed to get a save buff when in cover, but also to ignore cover only when shooting from within 12''

 stonehorse wrote:
Snipers on Jetbikes just seem like a daft concept, and seeing as the Eldar range is in dire need of replacing the Finecast stuff, seems like a missed opportunity. Oh well, hopefully GW have replaced the fine cast stuff and are keeping it for a later reveal.

The models are the usual top notch we've come to expect from GW.

Snipers on Jetbikes is actually a brilliant concept once you realize they wouldn't be using those bike when acting a snipers, the bike are just light transport to get them in position. In game it makes since as they can rapidly move up a flank and into cover to get side shots at their intended targets. They make perfect sense lore wise.

Model wise GW always seems to prefer making a new shiny over simply replacing existing models; probably because its more likely to hype sales. If they just replace existing models many will elect to not speed the money on replace units at a slower pace. But if it a new unit with new rules designed to move them. They can be sure that many more will by them up quickly.