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So, the eldar rumors seems to be true.

Does this mean I should order a few of the old scorpions and other eldar models if I need to fill out an army in the same aestethic? Or will there be a final chance to buy?

 triplegrim wrote:
So, the eldar rumors seems to be true.

Does this mean I should order a few of the old scorpions and other eldar models if I need to fill out an army in the same aestethic? Or will there be a final chance to buy?

There will probably be a final chance to buy, but why wait?

As I noted in the other thread (figure I'll post it here for any who catch this thread and not the other); in general when an army is set for an update, if there are any older plastic/resin/metal models that you are interested in - get them sooner rather than later.

GW won't keep everything that they are going to replace in production and will let stocks run down. This means that models can vanish from sale even before its announced that they are going to be replaced. This is especially true for overseas where everything comes in batches so a model might run out long before it vanishes from the UK webstore (as UK GW can still print stuff up much later because once its cast its instantly on the market as there's no need to ship it around etc...).



It's impossible to predict what GW might replace, so if you like any of the older stuff and an army is set for an update, grab the stuff you want now.


Eldar have had some rumours of a decent sized range update and the recent announcement only updates 2 models in the line; so chances are more of the line will get updates over the coming months. What will get updated and when; what gets replaced - that's all impossible to guess.


Heck Rangers got an update, but GW didn't update the ranger aspect warrior to get a plastic sculpt.

Ebay!!!!!!

I mean, *finally* getting shot of finecast Troops has made my day... and I'd expect that trend to continue. I am nervous about my Storm Guardians but given I was using '90s chainswords (and discovered that way how they got the weird tilt to the resin basket hilts...) I could take that hit.

Let's just say there are two things I don't see on the GW Website today: Eldar Rangers and Eldar Autark without Wings or on Skyrunner.

Well, I have enough Eldar models with Aspect warriors like Banshees, Scorpions, Fire Dragons and also Rangers mostly metal.
I'm more looking for the new models playable at the competitive level.

What does everyone think of the new models? I think they look great but these some thing a little uninspired about them. It might be the way they are painted, I prefer to see elder in bright colours

mrFickle wrote:
What does everyone think of the new models? I think they look great but these some thing a little uninspired about them. It might be the way they are painted, I prefer to see elder in bright colours

Really like the Eldar bike rangers but would prefer them to all - biker and rider to have cameoline style so hard to make out but different to the Holofields of the Harelquins but thats just a painting option.

We hardly get disappointed with newly released GW models.
I'll base my new Eldar on my old models and replace models from time to time.
I'll be definitely interested in the new shroud runner jetbikes.

mrFickle wrote:
What does everyone think of the new models?

The new Eldar models look ace. I really like how they've done the Ranger Jetbikes, and a return to multi-part/multi-option characters is what all armies should have.

Scared of that Chosen kit though. That's going to be a real dud.

It looks like we're going to have a Death Eater rules set for Chosen. If you look at the models there's 1 each sword, axe and, mace.

I have to wonder about how useful that unit really is. One model is pure CC another is pure ranged. I hope that we can make a pure CC unit and have the option of more than one special weapon (why is it almost always plasma?).

I really like the Ranger Jetbikes, yet I guess the rules will be something boring like just being fast rangers

for the Rangers itself, well similar to the Artel W ones, but I think the plastic ones are less good as they are more of the same (2 guys standing, 2 guys observing, 1 shooting) and I fear we see the a similar price for them

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
It looks like we're going to have a Death Eater rules set for Chosen. If you look at the models there's 1 each sword, axe and, mace.

I have to wonder about how useful that unit really is. One model is pure CC another is pure ranged. I hope that we can make a pure CC unit and have the option of more than one special weapon (why is it almost always plasma?).

To go a bit further- its a chainaxe, not a power axe.

I also really think they're monopose with maybe an optional weapon swap. The stances, the way the armor is layered, the ribbing, the bent hoses on the LC guy's belly, it all says what you see is what there is.
There's some room for variation on sword and axe guy, and maybe the mace guy's bolter, but not much else beyond headswaps (and I don't think that would work with several either).

 kodos wrote:
I really like the Ranger Jetbikes, yet I guess the rules will be something boring like just being fast rangers

My suspicion is that they'll be troops. Reasoning: a ranger that pays extra points for the speed and durability of a bike is probably just less good than a normal ranger or windrider. Pre-8th edition armies show that some of us like the idea of jetbike troops. So snipers on bikes lets them sell bike troops to eldar players again while keeping said bike troop relatively non-lethal.

Otherwise, they'd have to give them some whacky special rule to make the unit desirable. How many extra points would any of us pay for a Move stat that makes our rangers less likely to hit and an extra wound that could just be an extra ranger instead? Looking forward to these models though. Love the look of them, and bike rangers seem pretty fluffy for my Iybraesil army.

for the Rangers itself, well similar to the Artel W ones, but I think the plastic ones are less good as they are more of the same (2 guys standing, 2 guys observing, 1 shooting) and I fear we see the a similar price for them

Yeah. The new sculpts look pretty, but they're all just sort of standing around. Especially next to the autarch who is also just sort of standing there. My pile of pewter rangers at least have some crouching guys. Don't hate the new rangers, but was definitely hoping for something a bit more interesting.

 kodos wrote:
I really like the Ranger Jetbikes, yet I guess the rules will be something boring like just being fast rangers...

Don't worry. They'll get a stratagem that'll make them strictly better than the foot Rangers, and then in next edition's book they'll swap roles so everyone who bought all the jetbikes will have to swap and buy a bunch of the foot rangers instead.

While cool on a strict design point of view and certainly thematic for some forces like an Alaitoc detachment, I am concerned about what niche this sort of unit could fill out. It's basically a slightly up-gunned and probably stealthy jetbike. It won't be filling the same role as rangers which is to occupy a backfield objective in cover and take pot shots at the enemy while being annoying to remove so I am not very concerned for that. It will probably be too expansive and vulnerable to assault to zip close to enemy lines and try to smack something or thin out hordes like normal jetbikes do. I think they will be some sort of more mobile, but less powerful war-walker which is more designed at sniping characters than anything else.

epronovost wrote:
While cool on a strict design point of view and certainly thematic for some forces like an Alaitoc detachment, I am concerned about what niche this sort of unit could fill out. It's basically a slightly up-gunned and probably stealthy jetbike. It won't be filling the same role as rangers which is to occupy a backfield objective in cover and take pot shots at the enemy while being annoying to remove so I am not very concerned for that. It will probably be too expansive and vulnerable to assault to zip close to enemy lines and try to smack something or thin out hordes like normal jetbikes do. I think they will be some sort of more mobile, but less powerful war-walker which is more designed at sniping characters than anything else.

Well, I guess it will be a mobile sniper unit when compared with the pure Rangers.

epronovost wrote:
While cool on a strict design point of view and certainly thematic for some forces like an Alaitoc detachment, I am concerned about what niche this sort of unit could fill out. It's basically a slightly up-gunned and probably stealthy jetbike. It won't be filling the same role as rangers which is to occupy a backfield objective in cover and take pot shots at the enemy while being annoying to remove so I am not very concerned for that. It will probably be too expansive and vulnerable to assault to zip close to enemy lines and try to smack something or thin out hordes like normal jetbikes do. I think they will be some sort of more mobile, but less powerful war-walker which is more designed at sniping characters than anything else.

If gw can justify different roles for all the new marine units that are slight variations on each other, they can do it for new Eldar units.

I don't care if they work like normal jetbikes, give me more units and modelling opportunities so my Eldar army is a tenth as varied as my marine armies.

 Hellebore wrote:
If gw can justify different roles for all the new marine units that are slight variations on each other, they can do it for new Eldar units.

They did it for Space Marines thanks to the fact Old Marines are going the way of the dodo losing both in popularity and in use with time and through the incredible popularity of the Space Marines in general. Eldars aren't as popular and have long suffered from pretty big problems of internal balance due to their bloat when it comes to their model lines. Splitting further the Eldar codex in subfactions could provide some help on that point.


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 wuestenfux wrote:

Well, I guess it will be a mobile sniper unit when compared with the pure Rangers.

I'm curious to see how the mounted ranger will interact, if at all, with the jetbike weapons and pilot itself. These could really define its role or, if weak or even absent, make this nice looking model and interesting concept very boring.

 Hellebore wrote:
If gw can justify different roles for all the new marine units that are slight variations on each other, they can do it for new Eldar units.

To be fair, they've kind of failed to justify having as many marine units as they do. Incursors don't seem to ever really get taken over infiltrators, and those two units could probably be rolled into a single datasheet. And infiltrators might be the reason scouts got booted out of the troop section. Tacticals and Intercessors could probably be rolled together. Ditto assault marines and vanguard vets. You could probably condense down sternguard and/or company vets in some fashion too. Centurions seem pretty kind of redundant with aggressors and heavy intercessors too.

I'm super glad we're finally getting new models and agree with you about the modeling opportunities, but I don't want marine levels of internal bloat. (And you can keep your hypothetical Codex Supplment: Alaitoc and Codex Supplement: Ulthwe too, thanks.)


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 wuestenfux wrote:

Well, I guess it will be a mobile sniper unit when compared with the pure Rangers.

I'm curious to see how the mounted ranger will interact, if at all, with the jetbike weapons and pilot itself. These could really define its role or, if weak or even absent, make this nice looking model and interesting concept very boring.