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Morning all,

I was going to drop GW an email highlighting datasheets which have gone missing and not ended up in Legends - or models which existed in the past, and haven't appeared in the Legends section, despite that being what it is meant for.

I've had a quick skim through the list of PDFs this morning, and identified the following as missing, just from memory. Wanted to crowdsource things a bit, in case there were units missing that I'd forgotten about (which is entirely possible).

If you want to check the PDF for a faction before replying, they can be found here on WHC.

Here's my current list:


Please keep any suggestions of things that are missing to units/characters that were actually released as a model at some stage, or have appeared in a Codex/Index during 8th and subsequently been removed.

I believe Tyranids lost Shrikes. Used to have a Forgeworld kit even.

What's the rational you're using for what 'should' have Legends rules?

Just had rules at some point, regardless of edition? Including weapons/wargear?

I'm going with "had rules, had model, preferably from 2nd ed onwards" - there are too many oddities in Rogue Trader to try to include them

The only real exception I've made there for my initial list are for DE characters on bike/skyboard, given they seemed to be OK doing that for SM characters.

I think the difference is space marines had rules for the transport options for characters in 8th edition, but dark eldar haven't had that stuff since their 3rd edition codex.

Chaos Daemons are missing the Khorne Herald on Jugger (is that actually in the codex? Not sure.) Also the chariot mounts (and the same mounts for Skulltaker) if you want to push it, following the same SM logic. They're also missing the Nurgle herald on Palanquin, which is quite odd considering they're presumably using the same mini to justify it's existence for a Chaos Lord on Palanquin in the DG and CSM pdf, but not the Daemon one...

Dark Angels are missing Veteran Seargeant Naaman.

Death Guard are missing the Sorcerer on Palanquin (see above for the relevant mini), which is in the CSM one, but not the DG one.

Those are the ones jumped out at me right away.

FW Corsairs: Everything. (Prince, Baron, Void Dreamer, Ghostwalkers, Voidstorm Band, Malevolents, Balestrike Band, and the entire motor pool (Venom, Falcon, Wasp, Vyper, Nightwing, Phoenix, Hornet, Lynx, Warp Hunter, Nightspinner, Firestorm, Fire Prism, Vampire) that used to be available in-faction and is now all Craftworld-only.)

Regarding Dark Eldar, there was also:
- Dracon (I'm certain this had a model back in 3rd)
- Haemonculus or Haemonculus Ancient. (depending on which you consider the current Haemonculus to be) This one is a bit confusing because in 5th you had a Haemonculus (which were mini-HQs, similar to stuff like Crypteks, and you could have up to 3 per HQ slot) and then a Haemonculus Ancient (which was the stronger Haemonculus HQ, limited to 1 per HQ slot). Subsequent books removed the 'lesser' option, but just called the remaining HQ the Haemonculus. If that makes sense?
To put it another way, we used to have a Haemonculus option *and* a Haemonculus Ancient option, now we only have one of those.
- Kruellagh (the Archon no one remembers, though she did actually have a model)


There's also:
- Lady Malys
- Kheradruakh the Decapitator
- Baron Sathonyx
- Duke Sliscus

These had rules but (AFAIK) were never given models.

Moriar The Chosen never had a model.


Necrons
- Pariahs

Sisters of Battle
- Uriah Jacobus
- Redmptor Kyrinov

Death Guard
- Havoc Squads

 Dysartes wrote:
I'm going with "had rules, had model, preferably from 2nd ed onwards" -.

By that criterion: Cannon of Khorne and Cauldron of Blood.

Necrons lost access to Unique Characters riding Catacomb Command Barges.

SM: Razorback - with lascannon & twin plasma gun.

It was the original kit.
Then it was discontinued, but FW made the turret & stat sheet.
It was last seen in the 8e index.

 Dysartes wrote:
Deathwatch
- Nothing?

1. Dreadnoughts having options identical to SM ones again, not castrated, cut down list; Also give them SIA back.
2. Primaris having access to frakking SIA they had in 8th edition;
3. Terminators and bikes having SIA, too; None of this 'only limited box mooks can do so' gak;
4. Vanguard Veterans not missing access to frakking half of melee weapon table, especially stuff that is right in the damned box, like relic/xenophase blades;
5. Melta fists, xenophase blades, SIA flamers, etc, etc, being available on all models that could take them before again, not the limited joke they are now;
6. Special characters and dread from the 7th edition box could be brought back, though it's minor complain compared to all the gak above;
7. You know what, just throw the garbage that is 9th edition DW supplement straight to trash bin, ban whoever wrote it from touching DW again, and start over based on 8th edition book with more, not less, options

 Lord Damocles wrote:


Sisters of Battle
- Uriah Jacobus
- Redmptor Kyrinov

Jacobus and Kyrinov are actually the only SoB units that DO have Legends- everything else is loadout.

PenitentJake wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:


Sisters of Battle
- Uriah Jacobus
- Redmptor Kyrinov

Jacobus and Kyrinov are actually the only SoB units that DO have Legends- everything else is loadout.

My poor sweet repressors are legends too....

PenitentJake wrote:
Jacobus and Kyrinov are actually the only SoB units that DO have Legends- everything else is loadout.

Oh! How did I miss my boys there on the list?!

 jaredb wrote:
I think the difference is space marines had rules for the transport options for characters in 8th edition, but dark eldar haven't had that stuff since their 3rd edition codex.

You mean the fifth edition codex.

which was legal until midway thru 7e. LOL.

There's a ton missing for Guard, and there's probably more missing from the below.

Unqiue Characters/Units:
- Colonel Schaeffer
- Lieutenant Kage
- Last Chancers
- Captain Maximillian Weisemann
- Captain Obadiah Schfeer
- Colonel 'Snake' Stranski
- General Grizmund
- Stumper Muckstart
- Captain Mogul Kamir
- Commissar Cain: Had a limited model, but never had rules.

Fast Attack:
- Support Sentinels

Heavy Support:
- Leman Russ Annihilator
- Leman Russ Conqueror
- Gryphonne IV Vanquisher
- Stygies VIII Vanquisher

Fortifications:
- Containment fence
- Long-range ground scanner

- Multi-laser turret emplacement
- Autocannon turret emplacement
- Heavy flamer turret emplacement
- Missile launcher turret emplacement
- Plasma cannon turret emplacement
- Multi-melta turret emplacement
- Lascannon turret emplacement
- Twin heavy bolter turret emplacement
- Inferno cannon turret emplacement
- Battle cannon turret emplacement
- Demolisher cannon turret emplacement
- Exterminator autocannon turret emplacement
- Executioner plasma cannon turret emplacement
- Vanquisher cannon turret emplacement

Flyers:
- Lightning: The original Lightning with the nose autocannon. It's different to the current one.

For Sisters of Battle, Canoness Veridiyan used to have a datasheet back at the end of 7th edition I believe. She does have that resin model as well, and was a Canoness with a special rule that ignored Look Out Sir I if I recall. It would be really nice to at least have her as a playable special character along with Confessor Kyrinov and Uriah Jacobus since I would suspect a fair number of Sisters players have her model. I do, as she was one of the few non-metal options outside of the updated Celestine.

DA and BA both have/had a named Primaris Lieutenant (model still available even) that may have lost their name.

Edit to Add: Oh that's hysterical, not only did the people who bought the VERY short lived Land Raider Terminus Ultra get a little shafted by how short lived it was - its cheaper than the regular HS Land Raiders.

If we count Nazdreg (last appearance in 3rd edition) for orks then we should also count all the other named characters that have been lost since 3rd edition. Old Zogwort (4th edition), Wazzdakka Gutsmek (3rd edition), Zhadsnark (Forge World) and Grukk Face Rippa (7th edition) are the fist names that came to my mind.

Zogwort and Wazzdakka never had an official model, while Nazdreg only had a 2nd edition model which wasn't compatible in 3rd (just like the old tiny Ghaz). Zhadsnark and Grukk both had official models which are still available but they have been "demoted" to generic non named HQs.

Not everything that is gone should be in Legends.

Datasheets in Legends are still supposed to be playable and useable (yes, even in matched play if you chose to do so).

Some stuff might not be viable/balance for games in ways that Legends stuff is.

Restartes.

GFdoubles wrote:
For Sisters of Battle, Canoness Veridiyan used to have a datasheet back at the end of 7th edition I believe. She does have that resin model as well, and was a Canoness with a special rule that ignored Look Out Sir I if I recall. It would be really nice to at least have her as a playable special character along with Confessor Kyrinov and Uriah Jacobus since I would suspect a fair number of Sisters players have her model. I do, as she was one of the few non-metal options outside of the updated Celestine.

Oh yeah- heck, I forgot about her- and I even have the model!

She's got her own comic book now and everything. White Dwarf should fix her up!

There were also specific rules written for the Games Day models. I don't know how many there have been in total, but the two I know for sure:

2001- Anghkor Prok
2003- Sternhammer

Since I played a Kroot army and my buddy played 13th Company Space Wolves these actually saw a lot of play and it would be great to have them make a return in some form.

Speaking of Kroot, there is no goaded great knarloc option either. The current Legends datasheet requires you to take a mounted weapon or a baggage harness, but 2/4 of the Forgeworld models were great knarlocs being prodded along by handlers and had different rules.

Jarms48 wrote:
There's a ton missing for Guard, and there's probably more missing from the below.

Spoiler:

Unqiue Characters/Units:
- Colonel Schaeffer
- Lieutenant Kage
- Last Chancers
- Captain Maximillian Weisemann
- Captain Obadiah Schfeer
- Colonel 'Snake' Stranski
- General Grizmund
- Stumper Muckstart
- Captain Mogul Kamir
- Commissar Cain: Had a limited model, but never had rules.

Fast Attack:
- Support Sentinels

Heavy Support:
- Leman Russ Annihilator
- Leman Russ Conqueror
- Gryphonne IV Vanquisher
- Stygies VIII Vanquisher

Fortifications:
- Containment fence
- Long-range ground scanner

- Multi-laser turret emplacement
- Autocannon turret emplacement
- Heavy flamer turret emplacement
- Missile launcher turret emplacement
- Plasma cannon turret emplacement
- Multi-melta turret emplacement
- Lascannon turret emplacement
- Twin heavy bolter turret emplacement
- Inferno cannon turret emplacement
- Battle cannon turret emplacement
- Demolisher cannon turret emplacement
- Exterminator autocannon turret emplacement
- Executioner plasma cannon turret emplacement
- Vanquisher cannon turret emplacement

Flyers:
- Lightning: The original Lightning with the nose autocannon. It's different to the current one.

Not to derail, but what did support sentinels do? I've never heard of those, just the power lifter ones that I think were OP for a brief shining moment in 8th lol

I think they were the Sentinels with missile pods, off the top of my head?

 Dysartes wrote:
I think they were the Sentinels with missile pods, off the top of my head?

So, a regular Sentinel then? Cos they have missile launchers.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Some stuff might not be viable/balance for games in ways that Legends stuff is.

If GW thought that Legends and balance interacted in any meaningful way, they wouldn't have left the Legends rules without updates.

Legends is just where models/rules go to die. Better to just accept it.

 Gert wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
I think they were the Sentinels with missile pods, off the top of my head?

So, a regular Sentinel then? Cos they have missile launchers.

Spoiler:

There were two weapons - might've been Missile Launcher and Rocket Pod, but I don't have the book with the old rules to hand.