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 Kanluwen wrote:

Wording matters. They had the art but the announcement was done in such a way that it could have very well been simply announcing the next Xenos book. We already knew Chaos was due for a new book, what with them having been the other half in Eldritch Omens...and GW actually having said that they're getting one in 2022.

 Kanluwen wrote:

GW said Tyranids are the next Xenos army. Miss me with the insults, because there's actual ambiguity there.

If wording matters why do you misquote the article every time it comes up? The phrase "Tyranids are the next Xenos army" was never published anywhere. That's just your tortured interpretation of what was actually written (which was quoted for your benefit several times, and appears again below).

This isn’t just an exciting time for Aeldari, but for all Warhammer 40,000 xenos players – after the craftworlds touch down, there’s something gribbly and chitinous coming. We don’t want to say too much right now, but there are lots of them, they’ve come a long way, and they’re VERY hungry. For biomass. Okay, you forced it out of us – it’s the Tyranids.

Warcom articles are not written by lawyers who are attempting to conceal information inside of precisely-tuned language, and they are not episodes of L O S T or FromSoftware games that are begging you to hunt for easter eggs and subtextual lore reveals. Temper your imagination.

There was ambiguotu onlÿ for those who wanted to invent it to cause flamewar. EVERYBODY(including those who claim there was ambiguotity) knew what GW said. Some people just wanted to start flame war just for fun of it. That or they wanted to pretend to be idiots.

tneva82 wrote:
Has any SC/CP left sprues out from kits? Don't recall any example. Assembly instructions yes(irritating), sprues no.

DG one, technically. The zombies have bits of DG marine on their sprue but no frame with the rest of the body (you can technically finish him using a bit of putty and leftover bits from multipart DG marines kit but even so that's still missing sprue).

tneva82 wrote:
GW releases varied ork combat patrol. Players complain too varied.

I like lack of reading comprehension even after multiple people told you multiple times what the issue was

The problem is not in variety. CP Blood Angels or Space Wolves have nice, diverse set of units that can be conceivably fit into an army. Stuff like Holiday SM box was utter crap because it included mishmash that did not fit any SM subfaction and in general was gak that was nearly impossible to fit into a coherent army in its entirety, and if you skipped any units, the discount on it was terrible and just not worth it (which was made even worse by the fact that one of the units driving the "value" up were assault intercessors, available for peanuts in literally every single GW starter box or magazine, with exactly the same options as 'multipart' box making it even more of don't bother).

Anyway, Tyranid CP looks fine, IMO (but then again, I like warriors and tyrant models so I might be biased). Big plus is the fact it can be bought multiple times, greatly cutting cost of getting into an army, and you don't need to skip anything if you're new player, just build alt units. That already makes it better than most CPs, sadly...

Why are we still on about what the next faction out is? Its very clearly Tyranids, regardless of the mental hoops some of us jumped through to try to justify it being something else.

tneva82 wrote:
There was ambiguotu onlÿ for those who wanted to invent it to cause flamewar. EVERYBODY(including those who claim there was ambiguotity) knew what GW said. Some people just wanted to start flame war just for fun of it. That or they wanted to pretend to be idiots.

I thought they were CSM players in denial, after all the nid codex did come out of the left field, when everyone was expecting a CSM one.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Why are we still on about what the next faction out is? Its very clearly Tyranids, regardless of the mental hoops some of us jumped through to try to justify it being something else.

Because some people have nothing better to do with their lives than try to dump on others, just guessing?

No, it's just that you can't just admit that you were wrong and continue to twist yourself into knots to make it out that you didn't say what you said.

BTW small leak/rumor.

The other kronos trait is +4" to weapon ranges and the +1 AP at half range is the trait we can replace, and the other Leviathan trait (which we can replace) is re-rolling 1 hit roll.

 Kanluwen wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Why are we still on about what the next faction out is? Its very clearly Tyranids, regardless of the mental hoops some of us jumped through to try to justify it being something else.

Because some people have nothing better to do with their lives than try to dump on others, just guessing?

You made a playful joke (at least I took it that way) about being wrong but then picked it back up again. There is not one iota of a reason to still be talking about this but you didn't drop it. It's okay that you were wrong, but you were the one posting half a dozen times in this thread about this minor point, so you've got to accept that people will call you wrong now.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wow... that is a really gak Combat Patrol.

I don't know about that - up to six units (depending on how you squad the Termagants), no SC, no real waste if you buy 2 (though I might avoid 3) - seems reasonable.

In order for the Rippers to be useful, it had to be triple Termagants - I guess you could argue for 1 each of Hormagaunts, Genestealers and Gargoyles in their place, though, but I'm going to guess that wouldn't work as well as a core block of Troops in the new book.

I love the Combat Patrol actually. It's not often you get a max-sized (and then some) squad of horde infantry in those, right? A full unit like this is instantly usable and will not be ridiculous to field. They could have split that with a box of Horma and/or Gargoyles for variety, but those min-sized units get smoked easily and wouldn't be fun for people that join up and have only those to play with for a while.

Plus with the number of models it looks like a Tyranids army!

 Skywave wrote:
I love the Combat Patrol actually. It's not often you get a max-sized (and then some) squad of horde infantry in those, right? A full unit like this is instantly usable and will not be ridiculous to field. They could have split that with a box of Horma and/or Gargoyles for variety, but those min-sized units get smoked easily and wouldn't be fun for people that join up and have only those to play with for a while.

Plus with the number of models it looks like a Tyranids army!

Yeah, I have that great big bug Apocalypse box from a few years ago sitting in the closet next to the rest of my pile of shame and these little guys in the combat patrol are a perfect starter if I ever paint the Tyranids lol.

Nice use of long OOP Forge World Tyranid scenery pieces on the box art... Booooo!

tneva82 wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
You should get 7 rippers per termagaunt box. 3 on the body sprues, 4 on the weapon option ones. Assuming my memory is right.

And assuming they don't leave out the alt weapon sprues to fit those 36 Gants. I could totally see them doing that to keep costs down.

Has any SC/CP left sprues out from kits? Don't recall any example. Assembly instructions yes(irritating), sprues no.

Given the Termagants on GW website says 12 Termagant and 1 Ripper Swarm, I don't think anything is missing from the triple Gants in this box.

Dysartes wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wow... that is a really gak Combat Patrol.

I don't know about that - up to six units (depending on how you squad the Termagants), no SC, no real waste if you buy 2 (though I might avoid 3) - seems reasonable.

I don't even think 3 boxes would be bad if Termagants and Warriors are descent. It would give you a carpet of 96 Termagants, 9 Ripper Swarms, 9 Warrior, a Hive Tyrant, Hive Tyrant with Wings, and the Swarmlord. And that gives options for weapon loadouts for a reasonable price without needing to resort to loads of miniature magnets.

 Laughing Man wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
So with the current rules thats 1 HQ, 3 troop units( one at 30 frigging models )...

I have the feeling that Warriors will be returning to elite duty and rippers to fast attack.

Doubtful on the Warriors, as it would mean Crusher Stampede wouldn't be playable anymore.

Good point.

Coming at it from 3rd edition( seriously, getting back into 40K after a very long time only to find myself priced out before I even begin... ), why did they move the lieutentants of the hive mind to the troop slot? Its actually cool that they are troop choices( Bugzilla city is the place to be! ) but given their leadership ability, being fairly large and well equiped, I honestly don't see the logic behind it.

Out of curiosity, which edition did this happen?

In 5th.

 Tyran wrote:
In 5th.

Well... again. After 2nd.

Do you really think the people writing this Codex care if a sub-list from an issue of White Dwarf remains playable?

 alextroy wrote:
I don't even think 3 boxes would be bad if Termagants and Warriors are descent. It would give you a carpet of 96 Termagants, 9 Ripper Swarms, 9 Warrior, a Hive Tyrant, Hive Tyrant with Wings, and the Swarmlord. And that gives options for weapon loadouts for a reasonable price without needing to resort to loads of miniature magnets.

Putting aside the sheer hell of putting together 96 two-piece heads, would that be interesting?

Congratulations! You spent an inordinate amount of money on three Combat Patrols, and to show for it you have three of the same big model, some Warriors, a carpet of smaller bugs, and literally none of the big fun stuff that Tyranids are famous for.

They could've swapped one third of the Termagants for a 'Fex, or an Exocrine, or a trio of Zoeys/Venomthropes. Or put something new in there, not that we're getting anything new other than another special character as Tyranids are a one-and-done book and not a proper release.

But Tyranids are also famous for swarms of termagaunts not just swarms of big things. And GW's design philosophy with these new larger sets has been more toward having people buy one maybe two not multiple like the old getting started sets.

The Tyranid one is actually better in that regard as you can get a lot of scope out of multiple sets. Heck those 96 gaunts could be armed with 3 different weapons (spinefists; fleshborers; devourers)


The only torment is the split heads

Correction, 3 of those would be 108 Termagants! Or 216 head halves

But I still think it's a very solid CP to build around and start the army. Adding to it let you pick the juicy stuff, so unless you really like a horde-look with mass gants, I would see most people picking only one of those anyway.

 Overread wrote:
But Tyranids are also famous for swarms of termagaunts not just swarms of big things.

I didn't say a Swarm of big things. I didn't say to replace all the Gants with other things. I suggested a balance between the two.

Not a fan of this particular Combat Patrol, but I cannot help but feel that they are somewhat hamstrung by the adherence to 500 odd points worth of models. Once the big gribbly HQ and Tyranid Warriors are in there, there are not a lot of points left to play around with.

As someone who sold all his Nids almost a decade ago (on this very site no less) this CP is a godsend, plenty of gaunts + HT. Might get 2 boxes.

 Nevelon wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Not even painting to a different fleet colours scheme.... Argh

You know the models are dated but with a fresh brush work they could still spark some interest.

Poster boy gonna poster boy. They are the Ultramarines of bugs.

And stupidly easy to do with contrast paints.

Do you have a link for how to paint them with contrast???

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
As someone who sold all his Nids almost a decade ago (on this very site no less) this CP is a godsend, plenty of gaunts + HT. Might get 2 boxes.

 Nevelon wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Not even painting to a different fleet colours scheme.... Argh

You know the models are dated but with a fresh brush work they could still spark some interest.

Poster boy gonna poster boy. They are the Ultramarines of bugs.

And stupidly easy to do with contrast paints.

Do you have a link for how to paint them with contrast???

No link, but for my son's bugs we're doing a white/blue scheme. Prime Grey Seer, paint the bodies Apothecary White and the carapace Talassar Blue. We call it Hive Fleet Shiva as a result.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
As someone who sold all his Nids almost a decade ago (on this very site no less) this CP is a godsend, plenty of gaunts + HT. Might get 2 boxes.

 Nevelon wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Not even painting to a different fleet colours scheme.... Argh

You know the models are dated but with a fresh brush work they could still spark some interest.

Poster boy gonna poster boy. They are the Ultramarines of bugs.

And stupidly easy to do with contrast paints.

Do you have a link for how to paint them with contrast???

My tyranid gallery

My system:
Prime white
Basecoat Grey Seer
Hard carapace in Shysh Purple
Softer bits in Guiliman Flesh
Stabby/shooty bits in Blood Angels Red (also tounges)

(I do them in that order, with a cleanup pass after the purple)

Non-contrast steps:
Nuln Oil over the reds (I want them more dark/shadowed, this could probably just be left with the contrast if you like, or use a different red)
Eyes are yellow with a vertical black slit (my genestealers are metalic blue with the blue gloss paint)
Teeth are picked out in Bleached Bone
Tounges get Blood for the Blood God gloss coat.
Acid/poison are yellow, with a green ink glaze.
Clean up pass with the grey seer and contrast as needed at the end. Normally just some spots where I got sloppy with the red and to cleanup the eyes.
Snow base.

It’s not going to win any Golden Demons, although my Flyrant tied for 3rd in one of our local painting challenges here on Dakka. But it’s a pretty quick and forgiving way to paint. I’m a notoriously slow painter, but can bang these guys out in no time. Scales up and down across the range of bugs. For the big guys, they would probably like a highlight pass, but my goal is to get them all battle ready and will go back later for that.

My ‘Nids started as a lockdown project, and progress is in my blog if you want more details.

Contrast paints are crap for stuff like SM armor but I've noticed that they are great for organic things like skin or anything Tyranid related. Looks like I'll be using them for my Nid army.

Been lurking. So people have mixed opinions on the codex and new box, I guess that's not too bad. I haven't learned to play yet, and I'm glad I followed the advice of someone on here to wait for the new codex!

But will there be new tyranid models? How likely is that to happen?

 Glaiceana wrote:
Been lurking. So people have mixed opinions on the codex and new box, I guess that's not too bad. I haven't learned to play yet, and I'm glad I followed the advice of someone on here to wait for the new codex!

But will there be new tyranid models? How likely is that to happen?

For this codex release there will be a new character model - the Parasite of Mortrex. This is virtually confirmed as GW already teased the model at the start of the year.

Further ahead there are likely true rumours of a Tyranid Kill Team box to update older sculpts (possibly Lictors or Genestealers ). Others have claimed that Tyranids will be the big bad faction for 10th edition next summer, with a revamp similar to the one Necrons received in 9th.

 Glaiceana wrote:
Been lurking. So people have mixed opinions on the codex and new box, I guess that's not too bad. I haven't learned to play yet, and I'm glad I followed the advice of someone on here to wait for the new codex!

But will there be new tyranid models? How likely is that to happen?

Metaphysical certitude, given that they teased one during the New Year's preview and there are several unsolved Rumor Engine pics that are obviously Tyranids.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
I don't even think 3 boxes would be bad if Termagants and Warriors are descent. It would give you a carpet of 96 Termagants, 9 Ripper Swarms, 9 Warrior, a Hive Tyrant, Hive Tyrant with Wings, and the Swarmlord. And that gives options for weapon loadouts for a reasonable price without needing to resort to loads of miniature magnets.

Putting aside the sheer hell of putting together 96 two-piece heads, would that be interesting?

Congratulations! You spent an inordinate amount of money on three Combat Patrols, and to show for it you have three of the same big model, some Warriors, a carpet of smaller bugs, and literally none of the big fun stuff that Tyranids are famous for.

They could've swapped one third of the Termagants for a 'Fex, or an Exocrine, or a trio of Zoeys/Venomthropes. Or put something new in there, not that we're getting anything new other than another special character as Tyranids are a one-and-done book and not a proper release.

No, they couldn't - it's three boxes of Termagants, or no boxes of Termagants, as you can guarantee that the back of the box highlights the Ripper Swarm as a unit of 3 bases (the minimum size available in the current 'dex).

Could they have gone with, say, two boxes of Hormagaunts and something larger, sure, but then we're on a whole different theme to the box.

Looking at current pricing, Termagants are also the cheapest 'Nid troops box. There's a £3 difference with Hormagaunts (or Gargoyles or Genestealers, but they're probably not troops), for one thing, so swapping them out probably means an increase in the box price. An Exocrine or Zoanthrope brood is more than double the price of a box of Termi's, and even a single Carnifex is about £7-8 more. Any of your proposed changes increase the price of the CP to some degree, possibly to a point where even GW recognises that the sticker shock is too much.

Well, maybe - this is GW, after all...