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I know you said tease, I'm saying its too early for that. You made me look it up - the first tease/reveal for Nachmund was January 28th. Based on that, we probably wouldn't see anything about the next War Zone until towards the end of April, for release in June - unless they really are trying to catch up on a backlog and intend to release the next box sooner than that.

And that's actually why I'd suggested there might be a tease. They showcased the first Corsair model at LVO, then showed off individual operatives and the like going forward.

I'm rooting for a Vanguard Organisms Kill-Team, dangit!

Kill-Team was at the last reveal day. I think they might switch to other game systems.

Imagine they somehow included new plastic Genestealers there...Yeah, I know. At best there will be a new Lictor sprue on top of the old Genestealers one.

Siegfriedfr wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So no Red Terror or am I missing some page?

Red Terror was an artefact and the Trygon/Mawloc was somehow, conceptually, it's replacement.

The Trygon that existed in Epic several years before the Red Terror made its debut was inspired by the Red Terror? WTH?

You may have a point on the Mawloc, though.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Then it's a good thing that they just released a combat patrol with only termagants.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:
Ugh, how does this crap get through playtesting? I agree, it needs to be nuked from orbit but there should also be some blanket errata to the Harridan and Hierophant datasheet that makes them ineligible for all but a select set of strats or something. It drives me bonkers when somebody goes to a tourney and crushes it with these interactions that were never intended.

Can't blame FW for it, given how long the Studio has had charge of the rules. If they CBA to remember what exists, that's firmly on them.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Can the Hive Tyrant (and, by extension, Tyranid players) please stop paying for this now?

Not until Chaos has finished making amends for the v3.5 travesty.

Kitane wrote:
Just removing Single-minded annihilation would solve their balance issues, but no, GW had to balefire both loadouts out of the weave of existence.

Nice Wheel of Time reference.

Not until Chaos has finished making amends for the v3.5 travesty.

*shudder* The Sins of Haines

Well, fleshborers are now better than a mass reactive bolt shell.

 McDougall Designs wrote:
Well, fleshborers are now better than a mass reactive bolt shell.

In the next SM codex bolters wil be S6

 McDougall Designs wrote:
Well, fleshborers are now better than a mass reactive bolt shell.

But only half as good as a Pulse Rifle.

With all this AP -1 going around, I feel sorry for Orks. And I wonder if in the next round of marine codexes if they’ll add a pip to marine armor to offset all the upgraded weaponry floating around.

Does anyone know when it's out?

Nomeny wrote:
Does anyone know when it's out?

I’d guess they let us know at the adeptacon reveals.

Nomeny wrote:
Does anyone know when it's out?

Any week now. People were honestly surprised the preorder preview wasn't nids this past Sunday.
Given that they're hinting at Knights for the 'big preview show,' Sunday announcement for nids Codex and Parasite (maybe even combat patrol, as we're caught up now) wouldn't be a shock.

 Nevelon wrote:

Nomeny wrote:
Does anyone know when it's out?

I’d guess they let us know at the adeptacon reveals.

Seeing they generally show 1-2(mostly 1 though 40k might get 2) things per game i hope 40k isn't tyranid codex release date...

But should be soon. Any sunday now.

I'm leaning towards the Ghosts & Girls AOS box for this Sunday, with 'Nids the Sunday after.

I'd be surprised at Eldar Wave 2 directly leading into the 'Nid book.

Warcom article today had me thinking... has anyone discovered a way to actually play games with the Toxicrene in a practical sense? The tentacles take up an entire second base worth of space, so much so that I see it as next to impossible to even have the thing on its base most of the time.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Warcom article today had me thinking... has anyone discovered a way to actually play games with the Toxicrene in a practical sense? The tentacles take up an entire second base worth of space, so much so that I see it as next to impossible to even have the thing on its base most of the time.

I had to build up a scenic ruin for someone's Toxicrene years ago, just for that reason. Angle it upwards something like 20 degrees and it looks much better.

Before asking: no, I don't have any pictures of it sadly!

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Warcom article today had me thinking... has anyone discovered a way to actually play games with the Toxicrene in a practical sense? The tentacles take up an entire second base worth of space, so much so that I see it as next to impossible to even have the thing on its base most of the time.

Even storing mine on my new shelves is tough. It gets in the way of everything.

magnetize the arms (and head?)?

i just didn't put the arms on mine. i've cut the tentacles up and was planning on reposing them but the unit was so bad for so long, i never bothered.

 gigasnail wrote:
i just didn't put the arms on mine. i've cut the tentacles up and was planning on reposing them but the unit was so bad for so long, i never bothered.

Good news: its still pretty bad. Almost every monster in the book can wound on 2+ against T4 or lower (so yes, its useful against some targets), but it swats enemies so lightly and lost its defensive ability for other units (venomthropes didn't, which is odd) and costs nearly as much as any other monster, but offers a t lot less.

Yeah I'm not super stoked about it now, either. It's another modeling project I need to finish. I have a pair of then with the arms missing, been like that for years.

The Toxicrene at least is playable now, the problem it has now isn't that its bad, just that its not as good as the other things you could spend those points on instead... but if my predicted hordening in 10th comes to pass, it might be useful when the meta starts to shift to large units of low toughness 1 wound models lol

Voss wrote:

 gigasnail wrote:
i just didn't put the arms on mine. i've cut the tentacles up and was planning on reposing them but the unit was so bad for so long, i never bothered.

Good news: its still pretty bad. Almost every monster in the book can wound on 2+ against T4 or lower (so yes, its useful against some targets), but it swats enemies so lightly and lost its defensive ability for other units (venomthropes didn't, which is odd) and costs nearly as much as any other monster, but offers a t lot less.

It lost the sporecaster ability in 8th too, that's not new to 9th.

I don't think it's as good as much of our other stuff but it has utility in the ability to lock models in, potentially cause fight last, and with that strat that drags units toward it IIRC (I don't have the text of that in front of me).

But I think it's good enough that my meme list of 12 venomthropes, 3 toxicrenes (yes, I have all of this...) and some assorted other squiggly Nids won't be a complete and utter joke.

They seemed to have designed the Toxicrene as a utility piece, but it doesn't do any job in particular very well.

For instance, I'd rather have Venomthropes and use the stratagem to make it's aura out to 12'. and we have tons of ways of killing small 1 wound models.

That being said, it is pretty cheap for the amount of T8 wounds it has. The aura may come in handy if you need to extend it out and don't move. but it feels like a lot of things need to go right for it.

That being said, it is pretty cheap for the amount of T8 wounds it has

No? I mean, sure. Its almost 3 termagants cheaper than the others. But the trade-off...

If you want wounds, go for the Haruspex (and the ability to deal with vehicles and tough things on top of a lot of not-as-crappy attacks)

Alternately you can pick up an invulnerable save and psychic powers and more reliable mortal wound spam from a Maleceptor.

Or you can get big honking space guns from an Exocrine or Tyrannofex.

It just doesn't have enough quality that the point discount matters.

It provides a -1 to hits in melee bubble plus a fight last chance.

Its role is more of a countercharge monster.

Voss wrote:

That being said, it is pretty cheap for the amount of T8 wounds it has

No? I mean, sure. Its almost 3 termagants cheaper than the others. But the trade-off...

If you want wounds, go for the Haruspex (and the ability to deal with vehicles and tough things on top of a lot of not-as-crappy attacks)

Alternately you can pick up an invulnerable save and psychic powers and more reliable mortal wound spam from a Maleceptor.

Or you can get big honking space guns from an Exocrine or Tyrannofex.

It just doesn't have enough quality that the point discount matters.

Why did you just snip this part out of my post, when everything else in my post I said pretty much the same thing you are saying now?

 Tyran wrote:
It provides a -1 to hits in melee bubble

Minor clarification: the Toxicrene's to hit penalty works on both shooting and melee for all enemy units in the aura range.

When it's in combat it counts as Remaining Stationary, so you can use the Spore Clouds strat for a 9" bubble even affecting things well outside the combat. Then it natively prevents the enemy units nearby from falling back and an opponent can't easily kill it to avoid the penalty... It's another reason why I think the Toxicrene is best used in a tcyte.

The Toxicrene works the reverse way of Venomthropes. Instead of sitting back spreading a -1 hit bubble to buddies it rushes toward enemy shooty units to spread the-1 hit
love. Then it hugs you and won't let go. He cuddles.