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There's a local shop that recently received a large amount of new Forgeworld stuff - Acastus Knights, Legion Bombards, An Ordinatus, Aeronautica Ork Mega Bomba, Deathwing Companions. Also non-Forgeworld of at least 2 dozen of Dark Angels Master Lazarus, those classic made to order Blood Bowl teams etc. It's not a Hobby shop specifically, the sort that usually sells comics, video games, card game stuff and things like that.

I'm a bit confused by this as I was under the impression that Forgeworld stock isn't distributed outside of either buying from the site or at the Warhammer World store. It's the sort of place people can trade stuff in so i assume someone has, but this would be very odd for someones personal collection, especially with 2 dozen Master Lazarus (in a box tray). I just can't figure out where this could have come from especially with the Forgeworld stuff. Does GW ever sell off unwanted stock or something like that?

Possibly bought in via an eBay auction or something?

Short of ebay and likely even then recast. Fw does NOT sell to retails. Only way they are legit is second hand used. If he claims they are new either liar or recast

tneva82 wrote:
Short of ebay and likely even then recast. Fw does NOT sell to retails. Only way they are legit is second hand used. If he claims they are new either liar or recast

Do Recasts come with official looking boxes including the GW stickers including barcodes, order numbers etc on them? The Knights for example have the same batch numbers, which makes it even more strange. The non-forgeworld stuff like the Khemri Blood Bowl team was made-to-order and especially 2 Dozen Master Lazarus and a few other big sealed plastic GW kits, so neither explanation really makes much sense to me.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Short of ebay and likely even then recast. Fw does NOT sell to retails. Only way they are legit is second hand used. If he claims they are new either liar or recast

Do Recasts come with official looking boxes including the GW stickers including barcodes, order numbers etc on them? The Knights for example have the same batch numbers, which makes it even more strange.

Neither explanation really makes much sense to me, as this is a lot of large cost stuff for someone to buy for themselves and then decide to sell for significantly less, while stuff like the Khemri Blood Bowl team was made-to-order and especially 2 Dozen Master Lazarus is very odd.

I'd imagine if they can do the recasts a few stickers and what not are easily knocked out on the post label printer

Could know someone at Forge World I guess, get the bulk deal on a bunch of stuff they had made but didn't sell somehow? (orders cancelled or something) In normal retail, it's not that unusual for excess stuff to get bundled off out the back door. Would still be a bit surprising at Forge World

BigOscar wrote:
Could know someone at Forge World I guess, get the bulk deal on a bunch of stuff they had made but didn't sell somehow? (orders cancelled or something) In normal retail, it's not that unusual for excess stuff to get bundled off out the back door. Would still be a bit surprising at Forge World

My initial thought was it could be something like that, as Warhammer World is nearby, but these are fully packed products rather than stock obviously rejected and I'd have assumed they recycle stuff somehow anyway.

If it had been just the plastic kits then i'd have assumed some sort of distributor or a retailer selling their unwanted stock at auction or something, but with this being a mix of plastic, made-to-order metal and Forgeworld kits...it's just very odd. Doesn't make sense as a set of stuff someones bought for themselves and then sold to this shop for cheap.

If FW don’t just bin wonky stock, I wonder if their mold setup allows them to just cast up specific replacements.

FW has always been on the table for trade sales, just not at any sort of discount.

If they're already a GW account holder they've maybe decided to stock some FW to drive footfall, although to sell at RRP they'd literally only break even, which isn't a great idea, but then this sector isn't necessarily that blessed with savvy business people.

If they're doing trade in, then it's distinctly possible they're fake, I've never really been aware of anywhere that does much in the way of due diligence on that sort of stuff, so I'm sure a lot gets recycled back into the market that way.

Dick move if that's the case.

Why don't you just ask them?

 Azreal13 wrote:
FW has always been on the table for trade sales, just not at any sort of discount.

If they're already a GW account holder they've maybe decided to stock some FW to drive footfall, although to sell at RRP they'd literally only break even, which isn't a great idea, but then this sector isn't necessarily that blessed with savvy business people. .

This. My first question would be - how far above FW's retail are the prices. If they're in legit packaging, then I would guess that they've just bought them at full price and have slapped some amount of markup on them.

If they do trade ins it could be someone liquidating their closet of shame.

It would not be the first time a collector (or parents or SO) dumped stuff just to be rid of it.

Was there any Cyrillic text on the box it arrived in?

What's the price of the items? RPP/less/more?

If it's significantly more it could be store trying to make profit by buying at RPP and try to sell at markup...but that's rather crazy way of doing it except for now OOP stuff.

Is it this person or do they just have mostly the same stuff? Including master lazarus x700

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Forgeworld-Warhammer-Massive-joblot-Read-Description/353890115720?hash=item52657ea088:g:GBIAAOSwGM9h-9td&pageci=45cf87ba-fdd9-49a7-972e-42a8ab50f6d4&redirect=mobile

I can tell you from experience that everything on that listing is genuine, while recasters do occasionally put some effort into making the packaging presentable, nothing to that level.

There's undoubtedly a story behind it all, but mass ordering from China is highly unlikely IMO.

The fact that it's Nottingham perhaps suggests it's an ex-staffer clearing some of their pile of shame?

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
There's a local shop that recently received a large amount of new Forgeworld stuff - Acastus Knights, Legion Bombards, An Ordinatus, Aeronautica Ork Mega Bomba, Deathwing Companions. Also non-Forgeworld of at least 2 dozen of Dark Angels Master Lazarus, those classic made to order Blood Bowl teams etc. It's not a Hobby shop specifically, the sort that usually sells comics, video games, card game stuff and things like that.

I'm a bit confused by this as I was under the impression that Forgeworld stock isn't distributed outside of either buying from the site or at the Warhammer World store. It's the sort of place people can trade stuff in so i assume someone has, but this would be very odd for someones personal collection, especially with 2 dozen Master Lazarus (in a box tray). I just can't figure out where this could have come from especially with the Forgeworld stuff. Does GW ever sell off unwanted stock or something like that?

I don't see why this is weird - they either did tit the same way we do (buy direct from forgeworld at retail price, then sell it at a marked up rate ("for convenience") ) or someone came and traded in their collection, etc. Locally over the years theres been a number of stores that have carried forgeworld items in shop in (very) limited quantities, though I think in general it didn't work out for them since it made already expensive items more expensive so it never became "a thing".

If the shop is the same as the one in the eBay link, I would guess (based on the listing and the way this suddenly seemed to sort of pop up at a shop that doesn't regularly deal in GW product) that they bought out another stores inventory (which is also somewhat common), and that store happened to carry select Forgeworld items - most of the stuff on the list are "centerpiece items" which they probably had a higher confidence of being able to sell, maybe with the exception of the deathwing companions) as some of the quantities of non-GW items are absolutely absurd (700 lazarus, 400 galadriel, 250 ahriman, etc.). I can imagine why the other shop sold their inventory (I'm guessing they went out of business as a result of poor buying decisions resulted in them carrying obscene quantities of product that they were unlikely to ever sell).


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EDIT - Its also certainly possible that it fell of a truck... in that being in Nottingham, it could have literally fallen off of a truck/got lost somewhere and ended up in this shops hands as a result? or the owner struck a deal with someone at GW to buy out a lot of extra product to help clear out the warehouse or something.

Juxtimon wrote:
Is it this person or do they just have mostly the same stuff? Including master lazarus x700

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Forgeworld-Warhammer-Massive-joblot-Read-Description/353890115720?hash=item52657ea088:g:GBIAAOSwGM9h-9td&pageci=45cf87ba-fdd9-49a7-972e-42a8ab50f6d4&redirect=mobile

Thanks for this. Not the same person as the shop but it definitely explains where the shop got it, as that's some of the same stock and I've heard the name mentioned.

Now the question is where could all that have come from. Like, he has 3500 of the Craftworld Aeldari coin? Something that isn't available or even announced, and even when it is, can't be obtained in those quantities? Does that not seem extremely odd to anyone?

What's odd about a leaky warehouse system?

I dunno, that all looks/sounds a bit suspect to me if I'm honest but then again there may be a perfectly plausible explanation.

However, I would be wary of buying FW items in this way.

Invariably there will be issues with any FW kit, and GW are happy to send replacements or fix faulty products - but only as long as you have valid proof of purchase.

If they hadn't supplied these products to the seller it might be tricky to provide that.

Edit: Just looked at the guy's Ebay page - pretty sure this is all a bit dodgy... "fell off the back of a lorry guv..."

If I saw Forgeworld in local store:

1. I would check Forgeworld, if same price or similar, I would still order from Forge world (save hassle and 100% will fix problems, my experience). Forgeworld have always replaced or sent new parts to me everytime if crap cast, so take your luck. If mega cheap, risk it.

2. I would youtube the model interested in (https://www.youtube.com/user/Sup3rSaiy3n/videos This guy collects a lot of forgeworld) to see has correct bits.

EDIT- Cause casting quality can sometimes be variable, its better to buy from the source then you are guaranteed to get a quality cast, even if the kit comes with a crap one (because is easy to send photos and get a new section/part). With a 3rd party retailer you will have so much hassle. Why Forgeworld doesn't do retail, because resin can be variable.

3500 Aeldari coins sounds pretty dodgy on that e-bay listing.

I'm kinda hoping its a scalper whose now stuck with a bunch of stuff that won't sell.

This thread avoids the most likely explanation: sorcery.

Gather a mob with torches and pitchforks, dunk him in the river until he confesses to the origins of his bedeviled custom. Then an exorcism can be performed.

 Stormonu wrote:
3500 Aeldari coins sounds pretty dodgy on that e-bay listing.

I'm kinda hoping its a scalper whose now stuck with a bunch of stuff that won't sell.

None of it is particularly scalp worth though.

The stuff does seem to look legit in terms of packaging, but the amounts are crazy.

I doubt however they’re stolen goods, as so few places carry Forgeworld, you’d think we’d know if one of the relevant U.K. Stores had been burgled.

And even if that is the case, it doesn’t mean the eBay seller is a thief. They could for all we know be recovered stolen goods auctioned off. They wouldn’t be returned to GW, as they’d have had an insurance pay out. In those cases the goods go to a Police Auction, which whilst not particularly well advertised are open to pretty much anyone.

 Stormonu wrote:
3500 Aeldari coins sounds pretty dodgy on that e-bay listing.

This whole thing seeming very suspicious is why I made the thread in the first place, really. The brand new Forgeworld, 2 Dozen Master Lazarus etc appearing at the shop i went to was strange on its own as It seemed too much for someones personal collection to be traded in (especially 2 dozen Master Lazarus) while the Forgeworld kits suggested it wasn't a retailers old stock or something, hence why I asked if GW ever sells off old stock or anything like that, but that listing is just another level. I heard Chris mentioned in the context of the Warhammer stuff while there (in a way that made me a bit suspicious about the stuff) and after seeing that Ebay listing I really can't see how there's a way this isn't something dodgy going on somewhere.

Those coins haven't even been revealed, there is no way for someone to legitimately get hold of those. I wonder if that has anything to do with why this month is the Aeldari releases, Aeldari Miniature of the Month....but then an Age of Sigmar coin rather than an Aeldari Coin.

Could always flag the eBay listing with GW.

That ebay listing...how can anyone have that amount of new Forge World stuff? 16 Mastodons

3,500 Aeldari coins??

Something very fishy is going on.

...and they've already sold 59 Aeldari coins!

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
That ebay listing...how can anyone have that amount of new Forge World stuff? 16 Mastodons

3,500 Aeldari coins??

Something very fishy is going on.

...and they've already sold 59 Aeldari coins!

That's not even counting the kits I saw at the shop as well, must have been at least another £1000 worth of Forgeworld there too, and then the other GW stuff.

There’s a phrase with manufacturing in China as “Uncle Wei” which is inventory manufactured with legit molds & production in the factory. It’s extra product from over production or stuff that’s made off the books at the legit source but then sold through under the table channels. It’s not always direct theft as in stolen goods but it might not be legit in the sense of being sold through proper channels that the owner would approve of.

Many items are cheaper to produce in larger volumes especially printed paper goods so if a company orders 5,000 copes the factory might actually make 6,000-7,000 to compensate for potential errors and defective products. That way they can complete the full order without issues, then they either destroy or liquidate the excess inventory.

Right now there’s a number of the battletech pvc/plastics which are on eBay coming out of Chiba. They’re coming from employees who are picking scrap and reject piles for models and reselling them. They don’t have the stat cards or any packaging and some are only partial models and are missing pieces, but a lot of them are complete but didn’t make the quality inspection or they were just extras they’re clearing out. Not illegal per say but I doubt Catalyst is happy seeing them in circulation.

There are also some dodgey companies that run legit product out of their factories 1st & 2nd shift when they’re “open” but 3rd shift they make stuff for the grey market all off the books. Sort of a version of counterfeiting but with actual product made in the same legit factory.

 RedDogMinis wrote:
There’s a phrase with manufacturing in China as “Uncle Wei” which is inventory manufactured with legit molds & production in the factory. It’s extra product from over production or stuff that’s made off the books at the legit source but then sold through under the table channels. It’s not always direct theft as in stolen goods but it might not be legit in the sense of being sold through proper channels that the owner would approve of.

That doesn't sound overly likely for at least £100,000 worth of both Forgeworld Resin, Made-to-Order metal and plastic GW stuff that's manufactured in Nottingham as far as i'm aware, and then there's the unreleased/unannounced Aeldari coins.