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Voss wrote:
Redundant space marines continue to go
Chaos removal causes panic

Meanwhile, one of the last inquisitor minions goes unmourned and unremembered. Only monkeys and crusaders left standing! Then they'll start in on the Inquisitors themselves.

I always wondered why this model was still in the shop. It's not exactly a fitting warrior acolyte.

But, well, I don't care. All the great henchmen miniatures vanished many years ago and I'm glad I have all of them. This model is just a relict. Though it would be nice if they make the whole range a MtO event.

 alextroy wrote:
I’m surprised they are pulling the Space Marine Commander. It’s and old kit, but that removes a lot of options for First-Born Captain models from the available range.

Barring any chapter specific ones that I'm forgetting, that leaves the semi-monopose one in the company command box as the only one left. That one is pretty much locked into sword an Plasma Pistol unless you want to start snipping. It isn't too hard, but can be a pain.

 Nevelon wrote:
To be fair, that kit is old. Details soft, old spure, just very dated.

I hate to see it go away because of what it represents, but it’s served well for far too long.

They should do a new version of it. The fact that the gravis captain has all the options gives me hope. But I could just as easily see so many choices being dropped.

It was also never that great, offering only 1 lightning claw, no thunder hammer and no storm shield. All of which are fairly easy to get but...

I too hope for the return to the days of modular kits, I mean isn't that what we really want? A DIY Inquisitor and minions kit, I would have bought a dozen of.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
To be fair, that kit is old. Details soft, old spure, just very dated.

I hate to see it go away because of what it represents, but it’s served well for far too long.

They should do a new version of it. The fact that the gravis captain has all the options gives me hope. But I could just as easily see so many choices being dropped.

It was also never that great, offering only 1 lightning claw, no thunder hammer and no storm shield. All of which are fairly easy to get but...

I too hope for the return to the days of modular kits, I mean isn't that what we really want? A DIY Inquisitor and minions kit, I would have bought a dozen of.

At the time it was out, there were less options. Once the vanguard and sternguard kits went plastic, you could just buy one of each, shake them together, and get a whole chapter’s worth of captains out of them.

But where else could you get a power armor scale LC at the time? Or a combi weapon? IIRC a lot of the options in that kit were very hard to find at the time. We are just spoiled by modern kits. Or were, before they started pareing them back. But that might be changing. Gravis captain and autach are back on the right path.

At first I thought the SM commander kit going was really bad...but then I realized that I only ever bought/used that kit once and every other SM Captain I ever built was mostly from the Vanguard Veteran kits.

Unless you really need a cloak on your captain or something. But the Company Command box will serve for that, and most of the stuff in that box is useful in 9th.

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
I’m surprised they are pulling the Space Marine Commander. It’s and old kit, but that removes a lot of options for First-Born Captain models from the available range.

Barring any chapter specific ones that I'm forgetting, that leaves the semi-monopose one in the company command box as the only one left. That one is pretty much locked into sword an Plasma Pistol unless you want to start snipping. It isn't too hard, but can be a pain.

Spoiler:

The bigger issue there is the moronic looking eagle wings "facial hair" on the helmet.

Man, if only you could just swap the head for literally any other Space Marine head. That would be wild. Heck, maybe even one of the spares that comes with the Command Squad the Captain is packaged with.
What's even wilder, is that the arms are separate as well so you can just swap them. And the Powerpack it seems. Damn, this kit doesn't seem so bad after all.

I actually love the Doctor Eggman head...

 Galas wrote:
I actually love the Doctor Eggman head...

It's really useful for kitbashing Ultramarines honor guardians.

 alextroy wrote:
It’s and old kit, but that removes a lot of options for First-Born Captain models from the available range.

As will, presumably, the 2.0 9th Ed Marine Codex.

Does anyone still think this is 'range rotation' and that these old kits will ever come back?

To me 'range rotation' would be a Disney Vault type thing, Blood Angels are going direct only, no reprints for a while, but will be back when they get their 10th edition codex.

Which would be fine and would help GW deal with its completely unsustainable number of factions.

This seems more like old kits are going OOP, which again is fine, but shouldn't be called something else.

That's your assumption though. We don't have much of experience with GW range rotations but the last time they used that term kits have been coming back as well as out. So atm they are 1=1 on range kit meaning coming back sometime again.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Does anyone still think this is 'range rotation' and that these old kits will ever come back?

To me 'range rotation' would be a Disney Vault type thing, Blood Angels are going direct only, no reprints for a while, but will be back when they get their 10th edition codex.

Which would be fine and would help GW deal with its completely unsustainable number of factions.

This seems more like old kits are going OOP, which again is fine, but shouldn't be called something else.

My guess is that if/when they come back, it'll be via Made to Order. Very few of these kits appear to be generic enough to constantly keep in stock.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Does anyone still think this is 'range rotation' and that these old kits will ever come back?

To me 'range rotation' would be a Disney Vault type thing, Blood Angels are going direct only, no reprints for a while, but will be back when they get their 10th edition codex.

Which would be fine and would help GW deal with its completely unsustainable number of factions.

This seems more like old kits are going OOP, which again is fine, but shouldn't be called something else.

This is the same as the middle earth range. Nothing from range rotation has ever gone permanently Oop and has always come back. In fact Moria is getting a massive amount kits back in a few weeks time that haven't been seen in well over a year.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
This seems more like old kits are going OOP, which again is fine, but shouldn't be called something else.

I think it's their way of marking products as OOP without directly doing it as people are used to being able to buy decades old GW minis. And if they need to reintroduce some of those "vaulted" products they can do that without an awkward "look who's back" announcement.

My guess is that most of them will never show up again, simply because there's probably little demand for them anyways, because they are slowly written out of the rules (thus causing even less demand), or if they come back they will be remade to whatever modern standard GW will have at the time of reintroduction and replaced by that.

These range rotation announcements are simply GW's way of saying that they won't produce these kits anymore for the time being (and probably forever).

Daemon Hosts are gone too.

No great loss, but it seems it should be mentioned.

I thought they went a while back - I'm sure I got mine through a M2O a year or two back.

 zedmeister wrote:
2 - the cynic in me is says this is another opportunity to exploit FOMO. Annoucement that they're pseudo-retiring them (to drive sales) and then, later on, bring them back for a Limited Time™ only!

Been working for Disney for decades.