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If the Imperial Knight leaks are anything to go by, combat patrol and smaller crusade games will be impossible for them, with Armigers now being 10 power and the Valiant bumped up to 38, but in return getting grotesquely awesome buffs in terms of attacks and armour, along with a nice -1 to all incoming damage debuff.

That said, bring on that loyalist codex please.

SamusDrake wrote:

The Horus Heresy isn't something that I've looked at beyond "Warmaster" in an ancient issue of White Dwarf, and Adeptus Titanicus. But its nice to see the swanky FW model range is finally getting an actual game to go with it! .

Uuuh it has had game for years...and the new rules are just fine tuning it rather than redoing it.


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 BrookM wrote:
If the Imperial Knight leaks are anything to go by, combat patrol and smaller crusade games will be impossible for them, with Armigers now being 10 power and the Valiant bumped up to 38, but in return getting grotesquely awesome buffs in terms of attacks and armour, along with a nice -1 to all incoming damage debuff.

That said, bring on that loyalist codex please.

Reliable rumour monger already said those datasheets were fake. And seeing degrading was all over the place, one guy suddenly having wargear loadout it cannot have(4 carapace slot. Model physically has only 3...) no reason to think the guy with proven trackrecord is wrong on that one.

 Dysartes wrote:
I think IK players would be allowed to be a bit disappointed, given they're apparently not getting anything new this release bar a book - especially when Chaos get all bar 2 of their units (Knight Perceptor & Canis Rex), with more flexibility on how to combine the arms, and get two new kits this time around...

Chaos already had a Knight Preceptor equivalent in the form of the Knight Desecrator.

But yeah. It's gonna be vexing that Chaos will be getting a new Armiger hull mounted weapon and a whole new setup of Armigers.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
I think IK players would be allowed to be a bit disappointed, given they're apparently not getting anything new this release bar a book - especially when Chaos get all bar 2 of their units (Knight Perceptor & Canis Rex), with more flexibility on how to combine the arms, and get two new kits this time around...

Chaos already had a Knight Preceptor equivalent in the form of the Knight Desecrator.

But yeah. It's gonna be vexing that Chaos will be getting a new Armiger hull mounted weapon and a whole new setup of Armigers.

It's more that chaos knights were previously just imperial knights with spikes on, very literally. It's good they're getting fleshed out with their own units. Next time round I'm sure the same will be true in reverse and IK will get something unique.

As a Knight player I'm quite alright with Chaos getting some new toys we don't have access to, could be old, now lost tech, or something heretical they botched together in the warp, but all for them having other stuff than just being spikey mirrorverse cousins.

Would still love to see attendant Armigers that Jes sketched out years ago, providing their lords and ladies with reloads and other buffs.


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tneva82 wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
If the Imperial Knight leaks are anything to go by, combat patrol and smaller crusade games will be impossible for them, with Armigers now being 10 power and the Valiant bumped up to 38, but in return getting grotesquely awesome buffs in terms of attacks and armour, along with a nice -1 to all incoming damage debuff.

That said, bring on that loyalist codex please.

Reliable rumour monger already said those datasheets were fake. And seeing degrading was all over the place, one guy suddenly having wargear loadout it cannot have(4 carapace slot. Model physically has only 3...) no reason to think the guy with proven trackrecord is wrong on that one.

Sad. But oh well, too good to be true.

Well seeing it didn't do much to help deal with ridiculous amount of damage output maybe new ones are better.

Also would have been weird for warglaives to lose inv save against shooting. Warglaives would get expensive AND easier to delete with guns?

Late to the party, but is that HH beakie marine true scaled? Looks like longer legs than your average tactical marine.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Late to the party, but is that HH beakie marine true scaled? Looks like longer legs than your average tactical marine.

Yeah, he's closer to the new CSM and such

Meaning he's gonna be out of scale with almost everyone else thus far, outside of some of the most gynormous recent Praetors

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Late to the party, but is that HH beakie marine true scaled? Looks like longer legs than your average tactical marine.

Might be, I still think the pose helps them to look a bit taller. The previous Marines all had 'riding a horse' stances, which made them look a bit shorter.

I remember years (or even decades) ago someone got the old Necron Warrior models and put their legs to be straight and they jumped up to be as tall as a Tyranid Warrior. Point is how a model is posed can play a big part in how tall it looks.

tneva82 wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:

The Horus Heresy isn't something that I've looked at beyond "Warmaster" in an ancient issue of White Dwarf, and Adeptus Titanicus. But its nice to see the swanky FW model range is finally getting an actual game to go with it! .

Uuuh it has had game for years...and the new rules are just fine tuning it rather than redoing it.

Of course it has; I'm merely mocking the lack of effort for a starter set, and that for the last few years I've honestly have never seen the rule book in stock on the FW site. Yet, they knock out amazing models quite often.

For the record, I've only heard good things about The Horus Heresy.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Late to the party, but is that HH beakie marine true scaled? Looks like longer legs than your average tactical marine.

Plastic MK3 v. recent SoH Praetor (from Reddit):

I wish I could buy a box of beerboars.

I don't play BB, but damn those models are awesome.

And HBMC, totally with you on that skeleton from the AoS box- I think it would look at home in the ash wastes. I could also see incorporating that giant skull into a vehicle- put it on a knight or something. Of course, then I'd need two of them.

So, a good bit of stuff. Ash Wastes is nice and all but the Nomads aren't enough to my taste to get interested. I don't have a need for walking garbage piles at the moment. Makes sense to start with Orlock, but the vehicles don't seem very interesting to me and riders look really dodgy. Never mind that GW seems to have passed up another opportunity for female Orlocks, but they're shown during the same reveal as the Norse and boy do those Blood Bowl models do the beardy fellow look justice. Orlocks look like trash compared to that. The terrain is cool, though. Looking forward to getting a better look at it.

The zombie warband is a dud in my opinion. As has been mentioned previously, no real love or vision, just a few techy bits stuck to zombies.

The big Knight looks cool. It's great to get mechanical tentacles at Knight size. I love those on my Dreadnought. Small ones, eh, whatever. I don't care for the Armiger look, so there was precious little chance of impressing me. The hound skull is nice, I guess.

AoS then. It's nice of GW to make a model for a krayt dragon (well, a dead one anyway, but I think we all prefer those things dead) and the floaty fountain is really cool, but once again it looks like they have no interest in making anything like modular buildings for AoS. I'd really prefer them to reconsider. 40k got some cool modular ruins with enough intact parts to make functional, complete buildings over the years, and it's a shame AoS doesn't get anything like that. Ghost ferryman is nice enough.

The Horus Heresy trailer looks good, if unbelievable. There's no way Horus would beat a random, wounded Imperial Fist. So unrealistic. But at least GW is finally acknowledging that the leaked Horus Heresy stuff exists.

The skeleton stuck out for me as well. I want to embed it half in a glacier for my arctic table.

Lot of very cooling stuff overall. Good preview.

My only question is if I’ll be able to resist the new HH stuff.

Well an awful lot of non 40k news there, which is interesting.


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Well an awful lot of non 40k news there, which is interesting.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Late to the party, but is that HH beakie marine true scaled? Looks like longer legs than your average tactical marine.

Rescaled yes. This from Reddit:

 tauist wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Late to the party, but is that HH beakie marine true scaled? Looks like longer legs than your average tactical marine.

Rescaled yes. This from Reddit:

I think that old Mk IV Marine might be made too large in the picture; the plastic Mk IV's didn't even come up to a Primaris's shoulders.

http://www.betweenthebolterandme.com/2017/06/primaris-space-marines-first-impressions.html

The new CSM have the head coming just over a Primaris's shoulder?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/9tpfzp/chaos_space_marine_size_comparison/

I'm happy for the new size, sad we probably will not see the Mk IV and III re-scaled, accept maybe as assault or heavy weapon kits.

I'll definitely be going on a nostalgia trip to 1988 with some of those Beakies.

 tauist wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Late to the party, but is that HH beakie marine true scaled? Looks like longer legs than your average tactical marine.

Rescaled yes. This from Reddit:

Spoiler:

A bit off track but I didn't know normal primaris already had access to powerfists (Marneus excluded of course).


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Any news on that jump pack labelled crate next to the life size intercessor style statue legs yet?

 warboss wrote:
A bit off track but I didn't know normal primaris already had access to powerfists (Marneus excluded of course).

It was added in their last Codex (for Sergeants) IIRC.

So, plastic Warlord titans as well?

 CragHack wrote:
So, plastic Warlord titans as well?

Yes.

beast_gts wrote:

 warboss wrote:
A bit off track but I didn't know normal primaris already had access to powerfists (Marneus excluded of course).

It was added in their last Codex (for Sergeants) IIRC.

Thanks. Now when they get a jump/jetpack on intercessor armor, the squatification of oldstartes will be complete! They'll officially be the look of the HH once they're stretched out a bit on the mechanicus rack.

 Soundtheory wrote:

 tauist wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Late to the party, but is that HH beakie marine true scaled? Looks like longer legs than your average tactical marine.

Rescaled yes. This from Reddit:

I think that old Mk IV Marine might be made too large in the picture; the plastic Mk IV's didn't even come up to a Primaris's shoulders.

http://www.betweenthebolterandme.com/2017/06/primaris-space-marines-first-impressions.html

The new CSM have the head coming just over a Primaris's shoulder?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/9tpfzp/chaos_space_marine_size_comparison/

I'm happy for the new size, sad we probably will not see the Mk IV and III re-scaled, accept maybe as assault or heavy weapon kits.

Yes, it's possible this photoshopped comparison pict isnt 100% accurate, but it's roughly in the ballpark.

And regarding rescaling Mk III & Mk IV kits, I think they will happen, but they will be the last kits to get the rescaling treatment, because the vast majority of legion specific resin parts rely on those two kits. So as long as they are selling resin legion specific bits, the plastics need to remain in their existing scale or they will no longer match the resins. This might not even be 100% related to scale differences, since its possible that the upcoming rescaled marine kits have a different torso design from the old kits (ie they will not be ballsocket upper/lower torso builds).

 tauist wrote:

 Soundtheory wrote:

 tauist wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Late to the party, but is that HH beakie marine true scaled? Looks like longer legs than your average tactical marine.

Rescaled yes. This from Reddit:

I think that old Mk IV Marine might be made too large in the picture; the plastic Mk IV's didn't even come up to a Primaris's shoulders.

http://www.betweenthebolterandme.com/2017/06/primaris-space-marines-first-impressions.html

The new CSM have the head coming just over a Primaris's shoulder?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/9tpfzp/chaos_space_marine_size_comparison/

I'm happy for the new size, sad we probably will not see the Mk IV and III re-scaled, accept maybe as assault or heavy weapon kits.

Yes, it's possible this photoshopped comparison pict isnt 100% accurate, but it's roughly in the ballpark.

And regarding rescaling Mk III & Mk IV kits, I think they will happen, but they will be the last kits to get the rescaling treatment, because the vast majority of legion specific resin parts rely on those two kits. So as long as they are selling resin legion specific bits, the plastics need to remain in their existing scale or they will no longer match the resins. This might not even be 100% related to scale differences, since its possible that the upcoming rescaled marine kits have a different torso design from the old kits (ie they will not be ballsocket upper/lower torso builds).

Remember that heads and shoulder pads fit just fine on rescaled Marines and even Primaris. Going from my Plague Marines I'd say the only problem are two-handed weapons because the torsi of New Marines are wider.

Annoying to see firstborns brean fluff on size. They are supposed to be 7 feet and head shorter than primaris & custodians but those clearly aren't head shorter. Firstborns aren't supposed to be 8 feet

I'd rather they upscaled and reworked mk II instead of III. Mk II was like the main armor during the early war, especially for loyalists. mk III is just a siege/boarding assault version of mk II.

Dunno if it has been noted here yet but someone mentioned that the chaos knights preview shows a box for "Army set, which I hadn't noticed. idk what's included in that, maybe the knight plus two armigers plus the codex I suppose would be a reasonable guess.

JWBS wrote:
Dunno if it has been noted here yet but someone mentioned that the chaos knights preview shows a box for "Army set, which I hadn't noticed. idk what's included in that, maybe the knight plus two armigers plus the codex I suppose would be a reasonable guess.

The new Knight, two of the new Armigers and the Codex.

tneva82 wrote:
Annoying to see firstborns brean fluff on size. They are supposed to be 7 feet and head shorter than primaris & custodians but those clearly aren't head shorter. Firstborns aren't supposed to be 8 feet

Can you stop? The old marine models are as tall as the IG and all other normal humans. Are the Cadians seven feet tall? Also, AFAIK, there is no citation for either Custodes or Primaris being eight feet tall.

The model scale now almost makes sense if you do the maths. Normal humans (∼32mm) are about sixish feet, non-primaris marines (∼36mm) are almost seven feet and primaris and custodians (∼38mm) about seven feet.