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Yeah, he's got the ork version of a power fist, not lightning claws.

 Platuan4th wrote:
Yarrick has a Power Klaw, distinct, important difference.

Thank you. You are wonderful.

Baseline humans can hold Power Fists, so I see no reason why Lightning Claws are off-limit.

I mean, Tiger Claws are real weapons and they are light enough that they have been used by bandits and assassins in India and China. Just make them into a power weapon and you have the Warhammer 40k version.

Lighting Claws are significantly different weapons to Tiger Claws.

They’re a lot longer for a start.

As lightning claws can rip through most armou, depending on the users strength, it would seem that parrying is always a danger if the claws were pushed back toward you by a powerful enough opponent. Human or terminator.

Therefore I think we mostly have to use the old willing suspenders of disbelief that they can be used as much as they are.

Wolverine had this problem a few times I think but he has immortal healing powers so problem solved.

It’s the weight of the entire setup, too.

Remember, they’re an adaptation of a Powerfist, seemingly due to the power requirements of the multiple blade.

Outside of power or terminator armour? That’s gonna weigh some. Powerfist? Not so much of a problem as just need to swing it with some accuracy and let it bludgeon the foe. Lightning Claws clearly require quite fine control by comparison.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Lighting Claws are significantly different weapons to Tiger Claws.

They’re a lot longer for a start.

Depends on the design. A few are barely more than knuckle dusters for power fists.

Shadiversity has recently done a video which might prove relevant.

Note I do not present him as an expert as such (he makes no mention of the power field’s disruption for instance) but it’s a fun watch anyway.

It's not GW official canon, but the commander from the original Dawn of War could have a number of different weapons upgrades, I think the best option being Lightning Claws. Just a small, human sized version of a lightning claw, only three blades, without a superhuman behind it just like a power sword used by a human rather than an astartes or a power fist for a human rather than astartes.

But are they truly Lightning Claws, or just….combat stabby claws?

I argue this purely for the sake of argument, and I am not saying ph34r is doing the big wrong.

I’m gonna say they’re not Lightning Claws[/i].

For a start, the blade parts are super short. And I for one am not seeing any kind of feed for the necessity power field. Also, and I can’t think of a modelled expression to counter this (very happy to be proven wrong), Lightning Claws are a specific adaptation of Power Fists. And thus require something akin to a Power Fist’s structure.

I think the only exception I can think of would be Warp Talons. Even then, they’re still proper hefty gauntlets, with a clear power line to erm…well….power them.

The Guard commanders' claws are extendable.

The Primaris Sword Brethren lightning claws aren't based on power fists.

General Alexander's weapon(s) from Dark Crusade show up in service of the Blood Ravens in Dawn of War 2, where it's explicitly a lightning claw.

The DOW games are literally non-canon. Otherwise Drukari would be WAY More powerful then they are in that game.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
The DOW games are literally non-canon. Otherwise Drukari would be WAY More powerful then they are in that game.

Is there an official statement from GW confirming they are non-Canon? Esp. as we have game characters added with 40k models and rules now.

Varying power levels between sources is common and doesn't really invalidate the lore contributions, esp. for a video game that will make concessions for the play experience.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
But are they truly Lightning Claws, or just….combat stabby claws?

I argue this purely for the sake of argument, and I am not saying ph34r is doing the big wrong.

I’m gonna say they’re not Lightning Claws[/i].

For a start, the blade parts are super short. And I for one am not seeing any kind of feed for the necessity power field. Also, and I can’t think of a modelled expression to counter this (very happy to be proven wrong), Lightning Claws are a specific adaptation of Power Fists. And thus require something akin to a Power Fist’s structure.

I think the only exception I can think of would be Warp Talons. Even then, they’re still proper hefty gauntlets, with a clear power line to erm…well….power them.

They are called power claws in game and I remember they have animations with lightning crackling over the blade in the later DoW expansions, indicating they are powered. They do appear to be uncommon relics though, and miniturised power sources for rare weapons are well represented in the model range (power swords rarely have an external power source, for example). The blades in the above example are extendable and are shown largely retracted. They are also built into pretty hefty gauntlets that could easily be smaller IG-sized power fists- these vary a lot in size even amongst the existing model range- the Scion fist is nearly as big as a Marine fist, whereas the Catachan command squad fist or the fist on Colour Sergeant Kell are closer in proportions to the DoW lightning claws.

Claws in. Note the underlying gauntlets are bigger than his head.

Claws out.

I don't currently have Dark Crusade or Soulstorm installed to show the lighting effects over the blades.

Here is a picture of Colour Sergeant Kell, showing how (accounting for the heroic proportions compared to te truer scaling of DoW) the power fist is not that big, and comparable to the claws above.



Edit: Holy Smokes those images have embedded big! I don't know how to shrink them down.

It’s really simple to understand a human sized version would be scaled down for a human size. Less powerful and less power.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
The DOW games are literally non-canon. Otherwise Drukari would be WAY More powerful then they are in that game.

Citation needed

The DOW games are just as canon as anything can be in 40k. Everything and Nothing is canon.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
The DOW games are literally non-canon. Otherwise Drukari would be WAY More powerful then they are in that game.

That's not how it works. It's a game that was made with permission and oversight from GW, it's just as canon as everything else is.That certain units aren't necessarily entirely accurate to their lore descriptions is something that is pretty common with 40k stuff overall, and would have been done because it's a game and things like that are abstracted and have to be balanced, it's the same with tabletop stats which are also an abstraction. It doesn't change how canon the game's lore and such is.

I though there was no canon in 40k

The events of the Dawn of War games are sealed by the Inquisition and not discussed by the Blood Ravens in-universe. The only canon things are that the Blood Ravens exist and that Gabriel Angelos isn't dead anywhere.

In DoW 1 what the IG commanders used were explicitly lightning claws.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

For a start, the blade parts are super short. And I for one am not seeing any kind of feed for the necessity power field. Also, and I can’t think of a modelled expression to counter this (very happy to be proven wrong), Lightning Claws are a specific adaptation of Power Fists. And thus require something akin to a Power Fist’s structure.

You can clearly see it's attached to a power fist in that photo. Human sized powerfists in 40k have often been jokingly referred to as a power glove for how small the are.