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 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I hope the feet aren't like this on all of them, both the miniature and the artwork has them with bionic feet, and there's a rumour engine picture of another metal foot + leg but it's clearly different from the one shown here. Casual cybernetic enhancement is one thing, but having them all be amputees would be odd, especially when that's already the Mechanicus' thing.

Quite hard to make out the art, but it looks like normal boots to me, not mechanical feet like the model.

Maybe they're not amputees, but the cybernetic feet are a form of advanced stilts?

 ClockworkZion wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Jadenim wrote:

N3p3nth3 wrote:
Could someone point me to these oft-repeated ”Tau elements” are, since (all) that I’m seeing here is Van Saar energy weapons coupled with a heavier version of the Genestealer mining gear?

Backpack’s like a modernized version of the KO Arkanaut one, but those three are all the design influences I’m spotting, maybe apart from Volkite weaponry concept art.

The panel lines, under slung power cell and circular feature with two notches on the weapon are all very reminiscent of Tau equipment.

IMO it says "Tau" on their shoulder pads. First letter is clearly a fancy "T", last letter is clearly a fancy "U". The middle letter can be argued to be a fancy looking "A". if you squint. That was my first thought upon seeing the model as a friend messaged me a photo without the context of the Warcom article, so I immediately though "oh, are these Demiurg Tau allies then"?

Those are runes based on Norse runes.

They are made up pseudo-runic gobbledygook that clearly spell out something analogous to "TAU" relative to the latin alphabet.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Jadenim wrote:

N3p3nth3 wrote:
Could someone point me to these oft-repeated ”Tau elements” are, since (all) that I’m seeing here is Van Saar energy weapons coupled with a heavier version of the Genestealer mining gear?

Backpack’s like a modernized version of the KO Arkanaut one, but those three are all the design influences I’m spotting, maybe apart from Volkite weaponry concept art.

The panel lines, under slung power cell and circular feature with two notches on the weapon are all very reminiscent of Tau equipment.

IMO it says "Tau" on their shoulder pads. First letter is clearly a fancy "T", last letter is clearly a fancy "U". The middle letter can be argued to be a fancy looking "A". if you squint. That was my first thought upon seeing the model as a friend messaged me a photo without the context of the Warcom article, so I immediately though "oh, are these Demiurg Tau allies then"?

Those are runes based on Norse runes.

They are made up pseudo-runic gobbledygook that clearly spell out something analogous to "TAU" relative to the latin alphabet.

Just because it looks like something doesn't mean it is that thing.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Jadenim wrote:

N3p3nth3 wrote:
Could someone point me to these oft-repeated ”Tau elements” are, since (all) that I’m seeing here is Van Saar energy weapons coupled with a heavier version of the Genestealer mining gear?

Backpack’s like a modernized version of the KO Arkanaut one, but those three are all the design influences I’m spotting, maybe apart from Volkite weaponry concept art.

The panel lines, under slung power cell and circular feature with two notches on the weapon are all very reminiscent of Tau equipment.

IMO it says "Tau" on their shoulder pads. First letter is clearly a fancy "T", last letter is clearly a fancy "U". The middle letter can be argued to be a fancy looking "A". if you squint. That was my first thought upon seeing the model as a friend messaged me a photo without the context of the Warcom article, so I immediately though "oh, are these Demiurg Tau allies then"?

Those are runes based on Norse runes.

They are made up pseudo-runic gobbledygook that clearly spell out something analogous to "TAU" relative to the latin alphabet.

Just because it looks like something doesn't mean it is that thing.

A counterargument wholly irrelevant to my point.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I hope the feet aren't like this on all of them, both the miniature and the artwork has them with bionic feet, and there's a rumour engine picture of another metal foot + leg but it's clearly different from the one shown here. Casual cybernetic enhancement is one thing, but having them all be amputees would be odd, especially when that's already the Mechanicus' thing.

Quite hard to make out the art, but it looks like normal boots to me, not mechanical feet like the model.

It is hard to tell for sure either way, but it does look to have the defined toes-shapes at the front and the round bit at the side like the mechanical foot has.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I hope the feet aren't like this on all of them, both the miniature and the artwork has them with bionic feet, and there's a rumour engine picture of another metal foot + leg but it's clearly different from the one shown here. Casual cybernetic enhancement is one thing, but having them all be amputees would be odd, especially when that's already the Mechanicus' thing.

Quite hard to make out the art, but it looks like normal boots to me, not mechanical feet like the model.

It is hard to tell for sure either way, but it does look to have the defined toes-shapes at the front and the round bit at the side like the mechanical foot has.

It looks like ribbed boots, and much wider ankles to me.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Jadenim wrote:

N3p3nth3 wrote:
Could someone point me to these oft-repeated ”Tau elements” are, since (all) that I’m seeing here is Van Saar energy weapons coupled with a heavier version of the Genestealer mining gear?

Backpack’s like a modernized version of the KO Arkanaut one, but those three are all the design influences I’m spotting, maybe apart from Volkite weaponry concept art.

The panel lines, under slung power cell and circular feature with two notches on the weapon are all very reminiscent of Tau equipment.

IMO it says "Tau" on their shoulder pads. First letter is clearly a fancy "T", last letter is clearly a fancy "U". The middle letter can be argued to be a fancy looking "A". if you squint. That was my first thought upon seeing the model as a friend messaged me a photo without the context of the Warcom article, so I immediately though "oh, are these Demiurg Tau allies then"?

Those are runes based on Norse runes.

They are made up pseudo-runic gobbledygook that clearly spell out something analogous to "TAU" relative to the latin alphabet.

Just because it looks like something doesn't mean it is that thing.

Why no, Inquisition! That isn't the eight-pointed star of chaos, see? The eighth point isn't actually attached, so it's actually just a regular, rather wholesome, seven pointed star with an extra arrow that just happens to be nearby. Certainly nothing heretical here. Wait. Why are you drawing your pistol? Didn't I sufficiently explain -

You know exactly what I meant. Just because letters in a a different look like the latin alphabet doesn't mean they are part of the latin alphabet or should be read as such. You're just reaching to go "well it SAYS 'Tau'" despite those not being the letters used by humanity OR T'au to denote the T'au people.

I am all for hoping they get to ally with Tau like GSC can with Guard just because it'd be interesting but let's not make up bad readings of fictional alphabets just to spin up conspiracy theories.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
You know exactly what I meant. Just because letters in a a different look like the latin alphabet doesn't mean they are part of the latin alphabet or should be read as such. You're just reaching to go "well it SAYS 'Tau'" despite those not being the letters used by humanity OR T'au to denote the T'au people.

I am all for hoping they get to ally with Tau like GSC can with Guard just because it'd be interesting but let's not make up bad readings of fictional alphabets just to spin up conspiracy theories.

Have you really never heard of a joke or an easter egg before? Its a made up alphabet, they could have made it read like pretty much anything, they chose to make it look like the word "TAU".

 Jadenim wrote:

N3p3nth3 wrote:
Could someone point me to these oft-repeated ”Tau elements” are, since (all) that I’m seeing here is Van Saar energy weapons coupled with a heavier version of the Genestealer mining gear?

Backpack’s like a modernized version of the KO Arkanaut one, but those three are all the design influences I’m spotting, maybe apart from Volkite weaponry concept art.

The panel lines, under slung power cell and circular feature with two notches on the weapon are all very reminiscent of Tau equipment.

Ok, I can see the panel lines, but the rest is 100 % Van Saar STC gear. And the panel lines aren’t THAT distinctive. I’m gonna call no evidence to support Tau links at all, for now.

Also, I can see the battle gear being different from the ”civilian” gear of Grendlsen. Space for both and I REALLY like the sample model. Well, as long as most of them don’t have metal hobbit feet.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
You know exactly what I meant. Just because letters in a a different look like the latin alphabet doesn't mean they are part of the latin alphabet or should be read as such. You're just reaching to go "well it SAYS 'Tau'" despite those not being the letters used by humanity OR T'au to denote the T'au people.

I am all for hoping they get to ally with Tau like GSC can with Guard just because it'd be interesting but let's not make up bad readings of fictional alphabets just to spin up conspiracy theories.

Have you really never heard of a joke or an easter egg before? Its a made up alphabet, they could have made it read like pretty much anything, they chose to make it look like the word "TAU".

No, they chose a combination of runes that if you ignore the differences vaguely looks like the word "TAU" if you decideto read it as that.

So in an effort to get some discussion going beyond arguing over dwarf head icons and boots....

This army is going to be interesting. Going on what we have, which is one model...

It looks like some kind of flamer or meltagun that he's equipped with. I know they're supposed to be all about better tech, so I'm wondering if they're going to play as in between Marines and Guard, really hitting up that 24 inch range ban with some heavy support and lots of high strength, high AP shooting?

What kinds of things did the old Squat army have in their armories?

N3p3nth3 wrote:

 Jadenim wrote:

N3p3nth3 wrote:
Could someone point me to these oft-repeated ”Tau elements” are, since (all) that I’m seeing here is Van Saar energy weapons coupled with a heavier version of the Genestealer mining gear?

Backpack’s like a modernized version of the KO Arkanaut one, but those three are all the design influences I’m spotting, maybe apart from Volkite weaponry concept art.

The panel lines, under slung power cell and circular feature with two notches on the weapon are all very reminiscent of Tau equipment.

Ok, I can see the panel lines, but the rest is 100 % Van Saar STC gear. And the panel lines aren’t THAT distinctive. I’m gonna call no evidence to support Tau links at all, for now.

Also, I can see the battle gear being different from the ”civilian” gear of Grendlsen. Space for both and I REALLY like the sample model. Well, as long as most of them don’t have metal hobbit feet.

Grendl is wearing their Regimental uniform which so happens to match with the original Trooper.

Sasorijap wrote:
I am excited about the Squats but dear god...why???

Green stuff isn’t going to sell itself

I kinda hope that there are more than the one troop choice. Definitely room for flak armor variant in addition to the carapace/power armor version we've been shown. Seriously though, are people thinking he has a 3+ save, or 4+? I can see it both ways.

Cuda, my vote would be 4+ as there's more fabric than plates.

I'm expecting T4 with Sv4+ as I believe that is a currently unused profile.

 Tyran wrote:
I'm expecting T4 with Sv4+ as I believe that is a currently unused profile.

I think that’s a very likely profile.

Also, really starting to appreciate the rebrand. ”Squats return” sounds like what you yell on the way to a bathroom when struck by a particularly vicious type of diarrhea.

What I’m interested to see is how they interpret the traditional Squat high leadership.

You see, Grasshopper*, Squats weren’t only T4 long before Marines were, but had across the board high mental stats. Willpower and Cool have of course long since gone into the ether (no I can’t say how those actually worked), but their Leadership (which of course became the catch all mental stat) was also really solid.

Other than movement and initiative, they were typically above average stats wise.

I’m not gonna speculate because I’ve not played in years, but perhaps this post will allow the actually informed to speculate.

*I’m assuming I’m older than you and my collection of Books From Before My Heyday mean most won’t know this!

Ld7? Same as your average, run-of-the-mill Marine, or an Eldar Guardian, with maybe an 8 for the unit Sergant, and 8s across the board for the more elite infantry units?

 cuda1179 wrote:
I kinda hope that there are more than the one troop choice. Definitely room for flak armor variant in addition to the carapace/power armor version we've been shown. Seriously though, are people thinking he has a 3+ save, or 4+? I can see it both ways.

I am guessing the basic will have a 4+ save with probably a 6++ built in to represent power fields and such. ExoArmor will likely be the home of a 2+/3+ with maybe a 5++ stronger power field. Furthermore I'm guessing htey'll be T4 or T5 with S4 and WS/BS 3+. LD probably somewhere around a 7-8.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Ld7? Same as your average, run-of-the-mill Marine, or an Eldar Guardian, with maybe an 8 for the unit Sergant, and 8s across the board for the more elite infantry units?

Yeah I’m fairly sure you’re talking mince. Will check when I get in.

You may be right of course, but I suspect you’re not.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
What I’m interested to see is how they interpret the traditional Squat high leadership.

You see, Grasshopper*, Squats weren’t only T4 long before Marines were, but had across the board high mental stats. Willpower and Cool have of course long since gone into the ether (no I can’t say how those actually worked), but their Leadership (which of course became the catch all mental stat) was also really solid.

Psychic resistance tests and fear/terror tests, respectively. Intelligence (the 4th stat) was a minimum requirement for some weapons and gear (orks got locked out of some things)
For most armies they were all the same or within one step of each other (7/7/7/7 or 7/8/7/8, or 6/7/6/7 for orks, iirc). And yes fear/terror used a different stat than morale. Because.
Collapsing the mental stats together was worthwhile.

As far as their defensive stats, I wouldn't be surprised if they have something... more. 5++ forcefields (that's a chonky backpack, that doesn't seem to actually carry gear) or 6+++ toughness(even though that's fading out), or, most likely (imo), as a nod to 'psychic resistance,' a 5+ vs mortal wounds, because that's still propagating in the codex design meta.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
What I’m interested to see is how they interpret the traditional Squat high leadership.

You see, Grasshopper*, Squats weren’t only T4 long before Marines were, but had across the board high mental stats. Willpower and Cool have of course long since gone into the ether (no I can’t say how those actually worked), but their Leadership (which of course became the catch all mental stat) was also really solid.

Other than movement and initiative, they were typically above average stats wise.

I’m not gonna speculate because I’ve not played in years, but perhaps this post will allow the actually informed to speculate.

*I’m assuming I’m older than you and my collection of Books From Before My Heyday mean most won’t know this!

They’re going to bring back the 2e marine atsknf, of course. Shaken, not stirred.

No, I don’t know how that would work with the current morale, either.

(I’m also quite old, and probably my disappointment over gw not releasing the promised squat codex resulted in me always staying just on the fringes of the hobby, in spite of brave attempts to pull me in by the Goodwin Dark Eldar and Newcromunda).

Nice, my initial reaction is cautiously optimistic. I'll probably make at least a kill team of Squats (which I suspect will be the first kit to be released).

Still waiting for Space Slann though.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
You know exactly what I meant. Just because letters in a a different look like the latin alphabet doesn't mean they are part of the latin alphabet or should be read as such. You're just reaching to go "well it SAYS 'Tau'" despite those not being the letters used by humanity OR T'au to denote the T'au people.

I am all for hoping they get to ally with Tau like GSC can with Guard just because it'd be interesting but let's not make up bad readings of fictional alphabets just to spin up conspiracy theories.

Have you really never heard of a joke or an easter egg before? Its a made up alphabet, they could have made it read like pretty much anything, they chose to make it look like the word "TAU".

Oh I've heard of jokes before, but they're supposed to be funny. Might not want to quit your day job and keep working on those punchlines.


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 Togusa wrote:
So in an effort to get some discussion going beyond arguing over dwarf head icons and boots....

This army is going to be interesting. Going on what we have, which is one model...

It looks like some kind of flamer or meltagun that he's equipped with. I know they're supposed to be all about better tech, so I'm wondering if they're going to play as in between Marines and Guard, really hitting up that 24 inch range ban with some heavy support and lots of high strength, high AP shooting?

What kinds of things did the old Squat army have in their armories?

I'm assuming it's going to be an energy weapon in the vein of volkite weapons personally. But I'm a big fan of Volkite and have a bias.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
You know exactly what I meant. Just because letters in a a different look like the latin alphabet doesn't mean they are part of the latin alphabet or should be read as such. You're just reaching to go "well it SAYS 'Tau'" despite those not being the letters used by humanity OR T'au to denote the T'au people.

I am all for hoping they get to ally with Tau like GSC can with Guard just because it'd be interesting but let's not make up bad readings of fictional alphabets just to spin up conspiracy theories.

Have you really never heard of a joke or an easter egg before? Its a made up alphabet, they could have made it read like pretty much anything, they chose to make it look like the word "TAU".

Oh I've heard of jokes before, but they're supposed to be funny. Might not want to quit your day job and keep working on those punchlines.


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 Togusa wrote:
So in an effort to get some discussion going beyond arguing over dwarf head icons and boots....

This army is going to be interesting. Going on what we have, which is one model...

It looks like some kind of flamer or meltagun that he's equipped with. I know they're supposed to be all about better tech, so I'm wondering if they're going to play as in between Marines and Guard, really hitting up that 24 inch range ban with some heavy support and lots of high strength, high AP shooting?

What kinds of things did the old Squat army have in their armories?

I'm assuming it's going to be an energy weapon in the vein of volkite weapons personally. But I'm a big fan of Volkite and have a bias.

I hadn't thought of that. Volkites would be nice!

Plus "Volkite" fits GW Dwarves based on GW naming a unit "Vulkite Berserkers". And it's a tempormental dark age of technology weapon the Imperium had to give up on that would fit well with space dwarves who know how to actually fix and improve things.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Plus "Volkite" fits GW Dwarves based on GW naming a unit "Vulkite Berserkers". And it's a tempormental dark age of technology weapon the Imperium had to give up on that would fit well with space dwarves who know how to actually fix and improve things.

Similar to Gauss?