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Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So to folk who know my personal politics, you’ll know I’m a proper dirty lefty in pretty much all things.

But….can we possibly move away from the Pearl Clutching here?

It’s a model. It’s not a cypher for awful things. At all. If anything the hairstyle and beard makes it look like a Bloody Hipster.

Hipster-y tech bro was also the first thing I saw

"I only use independent, alternative weaponry from the times of the Dark Age, it's just so much better and more sophisticated than the more mainstream, modern Imperial technology, you wouldn't get it." Chugs craft mead

FIFU

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:


"I only use independent, alternative weaponry from the times of the Dark Age, it's just so much better and more sophisticated than the more mainstream, modern Imperial technology, you wouldn't get it." Chugs craft beer

Which is actually not all that far off from some WHFB dwarf attitudes, iirc.

"If it was good enough for my ancestors, it's good enough for me!"

Eumerin wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:


"I only use independent, alternative weaponry from the times of the Dark Age, it's just so much better and more sophisticated than the more mainstream, modern Imperial technology, you wouldn't get it." Chugs craft beer

Which is actually not all that far off from some WHFB dwarf attitudes, iirc.

"If it was good enough for my ancestors, it's good enough for me!"

And ironically, with the lost-tech nature of the Imperium, they are not wrong.

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So to folk who know my personal politics, you’ll know I’m a proper dirty lefty in pretty much all things.

But….can we possibly move away from the Pearl Clutching here?

It’s a model. It’s not a cypher for awful things. At all. If anything the hairstyle and beard makes it look like a Bloody Hipster.

Hipster-y tech bro was also the first thing I saw

Oh no, he’s here to sell us NFTs for his new Crone World timeshare!

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So to folk who know my personal politics, you’ll know I’m a proper dirty lefty in pretty much all things.

But….can we possibly move away from the Pearl Clutching here?

It’s a model. It’s not a cypher for awful things. At all. If anything the hairstyle and beard makes it look like a Bloody Hipster.

Hipster-y tech bro was also the first thing I saw

Oh no, he’s here to sell us NFTs for his new Crone World timeshare!

"No, see you're not buying land from my lost homeworld. You are buying a token minted by a node of 47 servo skulls......."

Personally I anticipate 4+/5++ on the basic troops. Personal shielding for basic troops seems like a good "high-tech faction" baseline.

Hey guys

I know a couple of us were trying to discuss the demise of the Squats in the lore, probably not the best place for it here so I have opened a new thread in 40k Background if anyone wants to join in!

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/804504.page#11342537

So how do we think GW will handle the release model wise- they are obviously going to do a decent build upland have talked about "advanced elements arriving in a few solid months." I'm thinking they might go similar to the Sisters release with specific set of models made for an Army Box [which then becomes the combat patrol]. Followed by multipart boxes a few months later.
The problem [especially evident in AoS] when they create new factions is the limits of the range initially - the sisters actually have quite a lot of sculpts now and their army set really helped set the basis of this.
I think a Squat Killteam will come later like the Novitiates based on the Squat rumour that came out at the end of the eldar Christmas rumours that a Squat Killteam was coming but was a long way off.

It really depends.


GW could give them a Sisters of Battle style release with a huge chunk of models in several large waves.

Or they could do an AoS type of release with a small release of models in one go and then drip feed over time.


One bonus 40K has is that there are fewer armies (even fewer if you consider the marines as 1 force) than in AoS. So in theory the budget is spread less thin. So they can do a chunkier update without it eating into other armies. AoS has a LOT of armies that either need boosting up or total range refreshes (or near enough).
Heck Skaven are still running around with multiple metal and first generation plastics




So GW could go either way with Squats, a huge focus or a modest release. It also depends how they design the army itself. We've no idea right now if its going to be a mass infantry; mass vehicle; elite small squad style force. They could be like Tyranids with lots of swarming options for infantry and big things; or they could be like Custodes, elite warriors few in number but super powerful.

I’m thinking (more hoping really) that they don’t follow that formula but instead start with Kill Team, preferably with some themed terrain.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
I’m thinking (more hoping really) that they don’t follow that formula but instead start with Kill Team, preferably with some themed terrain.

I prefer they don't start with Kill Team, and give them at least the starting point for a full faction, with a vehicle or two, a few infantry units and one or two HQs

Agreed. A Killteam could happen, but its a poor start to have a whole army built from. GW has done new subfactions through Killteam and Warcry, but those work because they bolt into existing large armies. Eg the Eldar Pirates and the Krieg both work because they bolt into big existing factions. You can use the infantry models to make a huge core if you want, but the vehicles, leaders, support etc... are all already there.

Squats being their own army means they don't bolt into another one, that means if all GW released was a Kill Team then the whole army would be 1 infantry unit set. That's, not very interesting.


Even if they did the Warcry trick of putting unique characters into the infantry unit, it would still be pretty boring. By all means a Killteam as part of the release would be great and they could start with one, but as the whole release it would be pretty dull.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
I’m thinking (more hoping really) that they don’t follow that formula but instead start with Kill Team, preferably with some themed terrain.

The more reliable rumors have them coming as an army set, not a Kill Team.

I dont think this article has been brought up yet:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/05/the-saga-of-the-squats-from-space-dwarfs-to-the-leagues-of-votann/

It's refreshing to see that because... well, it acknowledges so much and even embraces the history, rather than pretend the old stuff never existed.

Maybe there are some hints and clues there too? They do say:

The new background for the Leagues of Votann builds off the old lore in interesting ways – including how they interact with their ancestors. Old-time fans will enjoy the references and twists, while new fans will be into their funky tech, unusual appearance, and unique playstyle.

I think ancestors are definitely coming back then. And some other funky tech. (I'm calling old dude in a hover pod with a beard so long it holds the model in the air).

There was also a thread on facebook where they were asking "The Leagues of Votann have been around for a while - what's been our favourite miniature throughout the years?". This one made me laugh, because the language makes it seem like they've been around for ages and never left. There, they chose the same artwork originally from Ork and Squat Warlords that the Warhammer-Community article used. I don't know how much you can read into it, but I do think that when remembering the history, both in that Warhammer-Community article and facebook post, they are not going to pick stuff they are embarrassed of... or just dont want us to remember. So, from that Ork and Squat Warlords artwork I'd say land trains might something they want us to remember.




I can see a boxed set for a battle engine, and another for a stand-alone transport that also has interchangeable turret parts for various train car configurations.

gravitywell wrote:
It's refreshing to see that because... well, it acknowledges so much and even embraces the history, rather than pretend the old stuff never existed.

Yeah, about the pretense or lack thereof:

gravitywell wrote:
There was also a thread on facebook where they were asking "The Leagues of Votann have been around for a while - what's been our favourite miniature throughout the years?". This one made me laugh, because the language makes it seem like they've been around for ages and never left.

Leagues of Votann have been around since April 2, which certainly fits one definition of a while. I'm not sure which miniature to pick as a favorite myself, because it's really hard to decide between the single model known to the public.

So yeah, I understand that GW wants to get the (re-)branding into the public's consciousness from day one, but since they're talking about history, they should just stick with what Squats have historically been called to not sound like idiots. There won't be a shortage of official material in the coming months that puts Leagues of Votann front and center.

This is something I actually agree with GW. Squats always was a poor joke name, and the faction really needed a rebranding.


But on the other hand, I understand that many will have issues getting used to the new name.

 Tyran wrote:
This is something I actually agree with GW. Squats always was a poor joke name, and the faction really needed a rebranding.

So much of this game used to be humour like that before the grimdark edgelord angle became dominant.

Now we have space dwarfs with contemporary haircuts you'd see on 21 year old men. I'm not sure that's less tacky than calling a space dwarf a squat.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
I’m thinking (more hoping really) that they don’t follow that formula but instead start with Kill Team, preferably with some themed terrain.

I think it'll be a Kill-Team boxset. Squats vs Genestealers on the ship from the trailer, probably with the KT Rogue Trader terrain.

Then the Army Set.

Then the first wave of models.

Then just over a year later the second wave with the 10th edition codex with arrive.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
Now we have space dwarfs with contemporary haircuts you'd see on 21 year old men. I'm not sure that's less tacky than calling a space dwarf a squat.

"Thats pog, lads! Dark Age tech be bussin fr fr, let's gooooooooooooo!"
- Thane Anvilson, The Dab of Fortnightly.

, but since they're talking about history, they should just stick with what Squats have historically been called to not sound like idiots. There won't be a shortage of official material in the coming months that puts Leagues of Votann front and center.

They can't, their rights to that name lapsed, and somebody from Russia registered the TM for Squat in the UK back in 2019.

M.

Selfishly I'd prefer:
1) LoV Kill Team
2) IG codex with LoV elites choice
3) LoV Codex

 Miguelsan wrote:

, but since they're talking about history, they should just stick with what Squats have historically been called to not sound like idiots. There won't be a shortage of official material in the coming months that puts Leagues of Votann front and center.

They can't, their rights to that name lapsed, and somebody from Russia registered the TM for Squat in the UK back in 2019.

M.

So I looked that one up. It looks like it’s for some kind of exercise equipment based on the owner’s other trademarks. This appears to be a competitive space, with a half dozen or so sport- or exercise- related “squat” themed marks.
Absolutely nothing stopping GW registering the name again there, as long as they don’t put out a “blast your thighs the squat way” video.

Some more attempted scale comprasion, both with 40k Humans and AoS dwarves, depending on wheather the base is 28.5 or 25mm.

25mm scaling looks way more sensible.

 NAVARRO wrote:
This is not a topic about people of any kind.
Not about fascism.
Not about Neonazism
Not about White Supermacism.
Not about Communism.

Its about 28mm toyism.

If you think that 28mm toys are an excuse for you to vomit your personal propaganda crap on others and call it "opinion" then do everyone a favour and dont.

This. Take the political rubbish out of here.

Not like people can stop it. Only Off-Topic can avoid having political talk, but so long as the politics is on topic anywhere else in the forum it'll be allowed for some reason.

Dread Master wrote:

This. Take the political rubbish out of here.

The conversation has moved on, but thanks for bringing it back up.

 Crimson wrote:
25mm scaling looks way more sensible.

Which means they won't do it

I'm expecting a Sisters/Beast Snagga style box then a few select extra kits.

Beast Snagga release was
Codex
Zodgrod
Boyz x 2
Squig Nob
Squig Boyz

Followed up with
Beastboss
Squigboss multi purpose kit
Killrig multi purpose kit
Painboss?

I think that is all they need.

The box would be:
Codex
Squat Lord
Squat Squad x 2
Squat Priest/Psyker
Squat Light Vehicle (x 2 if lucky)

The follow up release would be:
Squatty McSquatterson High Lord of the Squatterverse (could be a dual kit to make a Lord in Mega Armour)
Squat Mechanic
Squat Heavy Vehicle (dual purpose kit)
A slot for a wild card cool unit

But, if we are talking ideal wishlist dreams, I would like to see the Squats in the 10th edition box (vs Space Marines of course as even dream scenarios have limits). They would be a xenos faction, able to ally with Tau as equals. Then the next Warhammer magazine run would have 50% Space Marines / 50% Squats and I could build up a cool but cheap 4,000 points of them.

EightFoldPath wrote:
The box would be:
Codex
Squat Lord
Squat Squad x 2
Squat Priest/Psyker
Squat Light Vehicle (x 2 if lucky)

I have a feeling this is too optimistic. Squats are probably not going to be a horde army with that emphasis on understanding Dark Age of Technology stuff, so I don't see two infantry units as likely. The sad contents of the Black Templar launch box are probably a better comparison for what we can expect, in my opinion.

I seem to remember someone further up thread speculating about a launch box like Sisters got, with monopose models specific to that box and later repurposed for a Combat Patrol. In my opinion that's the only way we'd get a launch box that feels like it has some substance to it. If it's the full kits, I'd say a leader, a squad, a moderately sized vehicle or artillery model and one more unit with a cheaper price tag like a support character is all we can expect. Plus codex and cards, of course.

And it'll come at that lovely new 175€ price.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Some more attempted scale comprasion, both with 40k Humans and AoS dwarves, depending on wheather the base is 28.5 or 25mm.

Let's hope it's the one on the right...

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
25mm scaling looks way more sensible.

Which means they won't do it

Pretty much.