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 Segersgia wrote:
What are we expecting first on the Leagues? A Kill Team? A gang in Necromunda? Or are we going straight to a Codex?

Army launch box like sisters or beast snaggas.

Racerguy180 wrote:
The tyranid eating of the Squats happened in like m39-40 or something like that. So only really the 10th-13th black crusade up to "current" cuz even BobbyG couldn't get anyone to actually agree on what year "current"even is.

They also don't all need to have been stuck in warp/time dilation hijinks. It's kinda normal for a dwarf to dig in to defend against the nids and 300yrs later come out swinging to nobody there.

The Imperium believes they're extinct though, and they would have presumably known that they lived underground and checked their worlds afterwards, so if they'd been on the same worlds they were on and just were underground as they were even before the Invasion, then I don't think that would fit in too well.

I do hope they add some sort of slight twist and it's not just "Tyranids ate some but they got better"; have the Imperium completely abandon them like the Eldar did with the Orks, or have the Imperium be responsible for wiping them out in the first place, or do something like the Imperium only thinks they're extinct because they saw their worlds attacked by an overwhelming force and just didn't bother to even really check afterwards.

Interesting perspective.
Originally, Necro figures were smaller than 40k and and more finely detailed. IIRC, we were told it was precisely because they are average humans compared to the various 40k forces. Now we are told the opposite.

If scale creeps enough it becomes a different scale. At some point it becomes noticable and behind to feel like a different scale. Anyone remember the difference between LOTR plastics and The Hobbit Plastics....

If Cadians still represent 40k scale then yes, Necromunda is clearly in a different scale. See the picture above.

If we think that Cadians are a 20 year old kit and no longer represent current 40k scale then maybe Necro is in scale with new stuff.

The combination of number of books and the massive scale difference is what put me off continuing with the correct Necro. I'll probably buy some Goliath (they're huge anyway) but I've got original gangs for all the other houses and they are utterly incompatible with the size of they new figures.

As for Squats, I'm fairly sure the comparison between new and old will be like that of the afrorementioned LOTR and The Hobbit dwarves. Or worse.

 Eilif wrote:
Interesting perspective.
Originally, Necro figures were smaller than 40k and and more finely detailed. IIRC, we were told it was precisely because they are average humans compared to the various 40k forces. Now we are told the opposite.

If scale creeps enough it becomes a different scale. At some point it becomes noticable and behind to feel like a different scale. Anyone remember the difference between LOTR plastics and The Hobbit Plastics....

If Cadians still represent 40k scale then yes, Necromunda is clearly in a different scale. See the picture above.

If we think that Cadians are a 20 year old kit and no longer represent current 40k scale then maybe Necro is in scale with new stuff.

See, the thing is Cadians are still completely in scale with the newest of Guard relases, like the plastic DKoK

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:


See, the thing is Cadians are still completely in scale with the newest of Guard relases, like the plastic DKoK

That I did not know. In that case, yep Necromunda is a different scale.

As regards to new squats, what's the current sole to eye measurement for AoS Dwarves? I assume that's the most likely size prediction.

 Eilif wrote:

Originally, Necro figures were smaller than 40k and and more finely detailed.

Well, they were larger than the IG models (Cadians, Mordians etc.) from that time.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Eilif wrote:

Originally, Necro figures were smaller than 40k and and more finely detailed.

Well, they were larger than the IG models (Cadians, Mordians etc.) from that time.

Were they though? They possibly might have been a smidge taller, but I'm fairly certain the proportions and their weapons were slimmer.

They were definitely bigger than RT IG, but that's not saying much. It's possible I'm wrong about some of this. I'll see if I can dig out figures for comparison.

The new DKoK sculpts are considerably taller than Cadians if they were to stand up straight, they're just very cleverly posed so that they look to be roughly the same height. Theres a lot more "bend" in the DKoK poses than there are in the Cadians poses (rather than bending, the Cadians generall have straight legs but are in more of a squatting wide-leg stance).

 Eilif wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Eilif wrote:

Originally, Necro figures were smaller than 40k and and more finely detailed.

Well, they were larger than the IG models (Cadians, Mordians etc.) from that time.

Were they though? They possibly might have been a smidge taller, but I'm fairly certain the proportions and their weapons were slimmer.

They were definitely bigger than RT IG, but that's not saying much. It's possible I'm wrong about some of this. I'll see if I can dig out figures for comparison.

The RT IG models are not generally shorter than the 2nd edition IG, the more common ones (plastic and metal) just have spreaded (and rather short) legs. Though there was a really huge variation in size back then - even some Space Marines were smaller than regular humans.

Necromunda miniatures usually had some more details, but that varied (the gangs had different designers - Jes Goodwin, Gary Morley and the Twins). Some weapons were slimmer, others not - especially stub guns had an enormous size and looked silly when wielded by juves. And, with some exceptions, Necromunda models looked out of scale compared with the metal IG regiments.

New Necro and newer human sized guys are the same size - for example a Cawdor ganger and a GS Cultist.

I do wonder if the new squats will be the same size as the Necro squats, because those aren't too big at all.

 Eilif wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Eilif wrote:

Originally, Necro figures were smaller than 40k and and more finely detailed.

Well, they were larger than the IG models (Cadians, Mordians etc.) from that time.

Were they though? They possibly might have been a smidge taller, but I'm fairly certain the proportions and their weapons were slimmer.

They were definitely bigger than RT IG, but that's not saying much. It's possible I'm wrong about some of this. I'll see if I can dig out figures for comparison.

My Orlock gang includes a mix of original Orlocks and metal Catachan models, and they are identical in scale.

 insaniak wrote:

 Eilif wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Eilif wrote:

Originally, Necro figures were smaller than 40k and and more finely detailed.

Well, they were larger than the IG models (Cadians, Mordians etc.) from that time.

Were they though? They possibly might have been a smidge taller, but I'm fairly certain the proportions and their weapons were slimmer.

They were definitely bigger than RT IG, but that's not saying much. It's possible I'm wrong about some of this. I'll see if I can dig out figures for comparison.

My Orlock gang includes a mix of original Orlocks and metal Catachan models, and they are identical in scale.

Agreed. 2nd Ed 40K and Necromunda humans were all similarly sized. Used to mix and match too.

It's not that Necromunda is in different scale. it's just that annoyingly some models that are supposed to be 'normal humans' are inexplicably bigger than others. Orlocks, Van Saar and Cawdor are pretty small, as are Cadians and even the new Krieg. But for example the Enforcers and Sisters of Battle are much taller.

And then you add on the fact that the designer might intend for the character to not be "standard" height for a humanoid in the setting. Heck even in the real world, different distinct population groups will have different average properties, including body height.

It shouldn't surprise us that humans from different worlds in the Imperium could have different natural heights without being out of scale. That humans from one region might be taller or shorter and that a sculptor might take that into account. Heck considering how the Imperium recruits almost all forces should show huge variety in heights and size save for the Kriege as they are at least "designed and cloned" warriors not naturally born.

 Overread wrote:
Heck even in the real world, different distinct population groups will have different average properties, including body height.

That reminds of when I took a tour of Chichen Itza with my wife. We're both 6ft and everyone working there is Mayan so they're all like 4ft tall. We felt like giants. You go 50 miles away and the local population averages 5' 6"

 Overread wrote:
And then you add on the fact that the designer might intend for the character to not be "standard" height for a humanoid in the setting. Heck even in the real world, different distinct population groups will have different average properties, including body height.

It shouldn't surprise us that humans from different worlds in the Imperium could have different natural heights without being out of scale. That humans from one region might be taller or shorter and that a sculptor might take that into account. Heck considering how the Imperium recruits almost all forces should show huge variety in heights and size save for the Kriege as they are at least "designed and cloned" warriors not naturally born.

Agreed about the real world.
Find any photo of The Rock with Kevin Hart from the Jumanji movie, & you realize this "uniform scale" thing is not how reality is.

Edit: Also, my reading of history tells me that during the Napoleonic Era in particular, they recruited the larger available humans to specific units, such as the Grenadiers. To create an imposing Vanguard force. (Same reason they had those big hats!)

It was also because grenadiers were meant to be shock troops and throw grenades. Being a big strong bloke tends to help in those matters.

People are still voting on the poll of this thread lol.

Imperial bulletin Armor from the Sabbat Worlds Crusade (circa 765.M41)




Ok, I may have made up my imaginary source of that real world article.

Ooooh!

Now we know what a Votann actually is!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/22/the-leagues-of-votann-are-coming-but-what-actually-is-a-votann/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=warhammer-40,000&utm_content=blpregallery230422&fbclid=IwAR00muBFJb_TAKrjgGvzwTTIc8rED5_du6PBwIN2J27k5-BSQBk8UfvvLVg

The Leagues of Votann Are Coming – But What Actually Is a Votann? - WarCom

I’m really liking the artwork.



Exo Armour?

So, halfway between an STC and an Infinity Circuit?

Awesome !looks like the new exo-suit design in the artwork too. Loving it!

beast_gts wrote:
The Leagues of Votann Are Coming – But What Actually Is a Votann? - WarCom

I am thinking the rumors about Men of Iron (or something related) are looking pretty good now.

And some burly power suits.

Observation.

What I’m assuming to be new Exo Armour equivalent is strongly reminiscent of this prototype Terminator Armour model. No, not that one. The one in the top left.

So why are master computers presumably built by humans in the DAoT carved like dwarf faces?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So why are master computers presumably built by humans in the DAoT carved like dwarf faces?

Embellishment over the years

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So why are master computers presumably built by humans in the DAoT carved like dwarf faces?

How do you tell dwarf and human faces apart?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So why are master computers presumably built by humans in the DAoT carved like dwarf faces?

Embellishment over the years

Yeah, I guess that at the start it just looked like a big computer.