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That statline is horrible.

Dudeface wrote:
I'm confused. We've seen about as much of squats as we have chaos marines at this point.

...aka nearly nothing compared to how much there is still to see?

Hyrthkyyn would have been better.

 krijthebold wrote:
Hyrthkyyn would have been better.

Only if we need confirmation that GW hires barely trained monkeys now. But do we need that?

 Geifer wrote:

 krijthebold wrote:
Hyrthkyyn would have been better.

Only if we need confirmation that GW hires barely trained monkeys now. But do we need that?

Now you've done it, they're Hyryrthkyyn now.

Is GW competing with Mierce in therms of silly names no one can pronounce?

May seem like a small thing but actually in therms of causal people looking for these minis on google or stores etc its a nightmare!

I would love to get the giant golem critter for my son how is it called again? xxyyvtpikin...or was it xxttytynilin screw that!

 krijthebold wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 krijthebold wrote:
Hyrthkyyn would have been better.

Only if we need confirmation that GW hires barely trained monkeys now. But do we need that?

Now you've done it, they're Hyryrthkyyn now.

Better. By doubling up on the "yr" you make it look deliberate and not like you hammered on your keyboard and used that sequence of letters as a unit name. That's all I ask for.

It's interesting that we now know that the model revealed is the basic infantry for the Leagues of Votann. I sort of suspected that it was, but I wasn't sure. The big question I have that remains unanswered is: Is that gun their basic gun, or is that the special gun for the squad?

 NAVARRO wrote:
Is GW competing with Mierce in therms of silly names no one can pronounce?

May seem like a small thing but actually in therms of causal people looking for these minis on google or stores etc its a nightmare!

I would love to get the giant golem critter for my son how is it called again? xxyyvtpikin...or was it xxttytynilin screw that!

I don't see how Hearthkin and Thane are meant to be hard to pronounce.

 Togusa wrote:
It's interesting that we now know that the model revealed is the basic infantry for the Leagues of Votann. I sort of suspected that it was, but I wasn't sure. The big question I have that remains unanswered is: Is that gun their basic gun, or is that the special gun for the squad?

They had already told us in the miniature reveal it was a basic soldier.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Is GW competing with Mierce in therms of silly names no one can pronounce?

May seem like a small thing but actually in therms of causal people looking for these minis on google or stores etc its a nightmare!

I would love to get the giant golem critter for my son how is it called again? xxyyvtpikin...or was it xxttytynilin screw that!

I don't see how Hearthkin and Thane are meant to be hard to pronounce.

I think NAVARRO is worried about spelling more than pronunciation. I can kind of see the point, but it's not a real problem when it comes down to it. In spite of GW's consistent inability to spell "Sigmarine" right, Google still provides people interested in Sigmarines with the right links. Always keep in mind that Google knows what we want better than we do.

chaos0xomega wrote:
"Hearthkyn" and "Theyn" fail in all the basic criteria for why you would want to use a weird custom word like this. Your competitors and imitators can still use "Hearthkin" and "Thane" to very easily circumvent your trademarks and copyrights and its so obvious to do so that those will be the terms predominantly used by everyone for that purpose as a simple matter of SEO.

Well said. I really don't expect people to be doing perfectly normal words but with a 'y' anymore. Its counterproductive, and just looks juvenile. (same as Magick!!!)


I'm also surprised by the statline. They're slow space marine scouts, but better. Aside from 4+ rather than 3+ armor, they're better than vanilla marines before the second wound happened. Offensively in melee, they are better than oldmarines. [between this and the chaos marine statline (and the HH box), I'm really expecting a new loyalist codex this year and oldmarines to stick around just be made even more better)

 Geifer wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Is GW competing with Mierce in therms of silly names no one can pronounce?

May seem like a small thing but actually in therms of causal people looking for these minis on google or stores etc its a nightmare!

I would love to get the giant golem critter for my son how is it called again? xxyyvtpikin...or was it xxttytynilin screw that!

I don't see how Hearthkin and Thane are meant to be hard to pronounce.

I think NAVARRO is worried about spelling more than pronunciation. I can kind of see the point, but it's not a real problem when it comes down to it. In spite of GW's consistent inability to spell "Sigmarine" right, Google still provides people interested in Sigmarines with the right links. Always keep in mind that Google knows what we want better than we do.

Yes thats it, English is not my first language and toys names should be easy to search for. Believe me I love Mierce sculpts but the names alone stop me from even browsing their site. Once everything and anything is written in such silly ways then all becomes abstract and a pain to navigate.
GW been steadily implementing weird names. Names like this are not easy to remember either. For me at least.

I have to say that I like the Squat statline.

Does anyone else think that the game has shifted from a 3+ save normal, to a 4+ save normal? 20 years ago almost everyone out there was rocking a 3+ save. Now we have Tau, Necron got demoted to 4+, we have Admech, Squats, etc. 4+ saves are now the new normal.

 cuda1179 wrote:
I have to say that I like the Squat statline.

Does anyone else think that the game has shifted from a 3+ save normal, to a 4+ save normal? 20 years ago almost everyone out there was rocking a 3+ save. Now we have Tau, Necron got demoted to 4+, we have Admech, Squats, etc. 4+ saves are now the new normal.

Well, I think 3+ is still the default (necron warriors & flayed ones aside), just due to the ubiquity of marines and resurgence of sisters, but otherwise yeah. 4+ is very much next, especially after the eldar revamps.
5+ and 6+ are the ones that have fallen off, and we'll see what happens to guard.

But I think it became a necessity after the weapons revamp. In practice... well. That's a discussion for elsewhere.

 krijthebold wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 krijthebold wrote:
Hyrthkyyn would have been better.

Only if we need confirmation that GW hires barely trained monkeys now. But do we need that?

Now you've done it, they're Hyryrthkyyn now.

Needs more apostrophes.


Took me a minute to even figure out what 'theyn' was supposed to be. Although I am still on my first coffee of the morning...

Voss wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
I have to say that I like the Squat statline.

Does anyone else think that the game has shifted from a 3+ save normal, to a 4+ save normal? 20 years ago almost everyone out there was rocking a 3+ save. Now we have Tau, Necron got demoted to 4+, we have Admech, Squats, etc. 4+ saves are now the new normal.

Well, I think 3+ is still the default (necron warriors & flayed ones aside), just due to the ubiquity of marines and resurgence of sisters, but otherwise yeah. 4+ is very much next, especially after the eldar revamps.
5+ and 6+ are the ones that have fallen off, and we'll see what happens to guard.

But I think it became a necessity after the weapons revamp. In practice... well. That's a discussion for elsewhere.

I think it's funny that these new squats will invalidate a lot of the D2 weapons with their 1HP per model. Those marine killer guns won't be near as good against these old dwarfs.

 Geifer wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Is GW competing with Mierce in therms of silly names no one can pronounce?

May seem like a small thing but actually in therms of causal people looking for these minis on google or stores etc its a nightmare!

I would love to get the giant golem critter for my son how is it called again? xxyyvtpikin...or was it xxttytynilin screw that!

I don't see how Hearthkin and Thane are meant to be hard to pronounce.

I think NAVARRO is worried about spelling more than pronunciation. I can kind of see the point, but it's not a real problem when it comes down to it. In spite of GW's consistent inability to spell "Sigmarine" right, Google still provides people interested in Sigmarines with the right links. Always keep in mind that Google knows what we want better than we do.

 The Power Cosmic wrote:
Haven't they been calling themselves "Kin" in some of the background stuff? Why not internal consistency? I realize you need something to TM, but how about Hyrtthkin?

Or Hyrthkyn, so they can join the Fyreslyres in the silly use of 'y' in place of vowels.

 cuda1179 wrote:
I have to say that I like the Squat statline.

Does anyone else think that the game has shifted from a 3+ save normal, to a 4+ save normal? 20 years ago almost everyone out there was rocking a 3+ save. Now we have Tau, Necron got demoted to 4+, we have Admech, Squats, etc. 4+ saves are now the new normal.

Doesn´t matter if the store is full of SM players.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 The Power Cosmic wrote:
Haven't they been calling themselves "Kin" in some of the background stuff? Why not internal consistency? I realize you need something to TM, but how about Hyrtthkin?

Or Hyrthkyn, so they can join the Fyreslyres in the silly use of 'y' in place of vowels.

I bet those Squats buy their tires from Fyrestone too.

 Geifer wrote:

 krijthebold wrote:
Hyrthkyyn would have been better.

Only if we need confirmation that GW hires barely trained monkeys now. But do we need that?

It was the best of times, it was the BLURST of times???

S4 is a weird choice, but I guess that comes with the lethality of 9th. If they were WS/BS4+ and S3, how could they compete?

 insaniak wrote:
Took me a minute to even figure out what 'theyn' was supposed to be. Although I am still on my first coffee of the morning...

Now we have to wonder on the pronunciation.

They-n?
Th-ay-n?
Tay-n?
Tie-n?
Thyme?
Rosemary?



Also begs the questions:

Will they get Rune Smyths and Master Engyneers? Lyving Ancystors?

 Togusa wrote:

Voss wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
I have to say that I like the Squat statline.

Does anyone else think that the game has shifted from a 3+ save normal, to a 4+ save normal? 20 years ago almost everyone out there was rocking a 3+ save. Now we have Tau, Necron got demoted to 4+, we have Admech, Squats, etc. 4+ saves are now the new normal.

Well, I think 3+ is still the default (necron warriors & flayed ones aside), just due to the ubiquity of marines and resurgence of sisters, but otherwise yeah. 4+ is very much next, especially after the eldar revamps.
5+ and 6+ are the ones that have fallen off, and we'll see what happens to guard.

But I think it became a necessity after the weapons revamp. In practice... well. That's a discussion for elsewhere.

I think it's funny that these new squats will invalidate a lot of the D2 weapons with their 1HP per model. Those marine killer guns won't be near as good against these old dwarfs.

Sisters apparently chopped liver over here...

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
So there's been a few mentions of them being starfarers, they "survive among the Stars", the reveal video had one of their ships arriving, the artwork shows them on a ship, and they're all wearing void-capable armour... sounds like they're probably going to be fleet-based after all.
I expect they'll retcon the Demiurg into being part of them, too...

Their first official tease in recent lore was the Psychic Awakening book, which also had a ship run into the ad mech

Dudeface wrote:
I'm confused. We've seen about as much of squats as we have chaos marines at this point. Are squats going to drop much sooner than we think?

Yeah this seems like a lot of info if they aren't coming for 3+months.. I'm thinking soon like June. Would they drop them in a Killteam box? On the one hand I want get my hands on them soon, but having to buy a big box at £100 for one squad would be taxing... Its probably more likely they are going an Army set but I wouldn't put it past them to unveil "and the first chance for you to play with your hearthkyn is in the new Killteam Set .."

On the stats - they look decent enough - I expected them to be a bit tougher, I wonder if "void hardened armour" might be a rule as well. Its sounding good- I'm hoping for a good look at the whole squad set and maybe a video glimpse of some of the rest of the range.

 Togusa wrote:
It's interesting that we now know that the model revealed is the basic infantry for the Leagues of Votann. I sort of suspected that it was, but I wasn't sure. The big question I have that remains unanswered is: Is that gun their basic gun, or is that the special gun for the squad?

I'm kind of hoping that the model all ready shown is a special weapons upgrade.

Now that the topic comes up, what do we think the stats for a basic Squat rifle will be? If it's just Bolter stats I'd bed disappointed and confused about why they just didn't model it as a bolter. My best guess? Assault 2, 18 inch range, strength 4, AP-.

EightFoldPath wrote:

 Argive wrote:
I recon T4 1W stat line because that's pretty much been vacated by the marines.
Anyone claiming thats not good enough forgets that vast portions of factions run 1w t3 infantry as basic troops...

M5 WS3 BS3 S4 T5 1W 2A 9Ld 3+ Save is my guess.
I could see S3 T4 but don't think Dwarves would like being less tough than Orks.
I could also see 2Ws on the first statline, as they go for an elite technological army.
The more like Space Marines they are, the more they will probably sell.
A Xenos Space Marine faction would seem like a good money maker.

Not a bad guess, got 6 right 3 wrong! Out by a pip of T, Ld and Sv. Argive was right on the vacated Space Marine stat line.

Overall they feel a bit Tau-ey in stats. Love the ancestor computers, I really hope we get a giant floating head model the size of a monolith.

Neat. Seems like a very reasonable stat line. And I'd say that it suits the model.

Without some idea of what their weapons look like, it's pretty hard to judge how effective these guys will be. Whatever their weapon stats turn out to be, I hope that the revealed model is holding the standard-issue weapon for the hearthkyn, because it looks sweet!

I also can't help but feel that GW really ought to be emphasizing that the Leagues both possess and *understand* Dark Age technology. It seems like this is going to be pretty important for justifying their abilities in the game, and some people seem to be overlooking this bit of the background.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Also begs the questions:

Will they get Rune Smyths and Master Engyneers? Lyving Ancystors?

Now I'm wondering if the Dyspossessed will get their own book, or still stuck in the next Cyties of Sigmar Battletoom™.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
S4 is a weird choice, but I guess that comes with the lethality of 9th. If they were WS/BS4+ and S3, how could they compete?

 insaniak wrote:
Took me a minute to even figure out what 'theyn' was supposed to be. Although I am still on my first coffee of the morning...

Now we have to wonder on the pronunciation.

They-n?
Th-ay-n?
Tay-n?
Tie-n?
Thyme?
Rosemary?

That's what you get from speaking English. In German it's easy: Täin (Teyn).

Also waiting to see if the plural of 'Theyn' is 'Themn'.