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I forget which book, but in one of the HH books I recall Horus invading a planet because it has some DAOT tech all abut retaining ancestor wisdom in a from of a computer core he needed some intel from.

Its the one where Horus and Mortarion fought of some gunships that ambushed them.

DOes this not sound somewhat similar ?

N3p3nth3 wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Re-reading the Votann Article, If they've only developed "personalities" as a result of their degradation, does that not suggest they aren't actually AI? Otherwise they'd have something resembling a personality in the first place?

Clearly you don’t know many lawyers or bankers.

Underrated comment.

Bit more info.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/26/take-a-first-look-at-leagues-of-votann-rules-with-this-hearthkyn-warrior/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=warhammer-40,000&utm_content=votan-&fbclid=IwAR0w_mhxBIot0Tn5lJwiyy6HHl3IjpPDjfjR3D7TtwqbicF7jSQ85L6Yy_M





Interesting tidbit…

Long millennia spent isolated from the worst of the galaxy’s conflicts have done nothing to soften the Leagues of Votann.

Seems we won’t be getting “they were there all the time we just didn’t mention them”, rather “there’s a reason we’ve seen little of them”

That's a very creative statline!

/s

Grabbing my popcorn and waiting to see the forum's reaction to them being better Space Marine Scouts

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Ld7? Same as your average, run-of-the-mill Marine, or an Eldar Guardian, with maybe an 8 for the unit Sergant, and 8s across the board for the more elite infantry units?

Yeah I’m fairly sure you’re talking mince. Will check when I get in.

You may be right of course, but I suspect you’re not.

They called me a madman.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Bit more info.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/26/take-a-first-look-at-leagues-of-votann-rules-with-this-hearthkyn-warrior/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=warhammer-40,000&utm_content=votan-&fbclid=IwAR0w_mhxBIot0Tn5lJwiyy6HHl3IjpPDjfjR3D7TtwqbicF7jSQ85L6Yy_M





Interesting tidbit…

Long millennia spent isolated from the worst of the galaxy’s conflicts have done nothing to soften the Leagues of Votann.

Seems we won’t be getting “they were there all the time we just didn’t mention them”, rather “there’s a reason we’ve seen little of them”

5 inches movement? Way too fast. Needs to be reduced to 3.

 Strg Alt wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Bit more info.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/26/take-a-first-look-at-leagues-of-votann-rules-with-this-hearthkyn-warrior/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=warhammer-40,000&utm_content=votan-&fbclid=IwAR0w_mhxBIot0Tn5lJwiyy6HHl3IjpPDjfjR3D7TtwqbicF7jSQ85L6Yy_M





Interesting tidbit…

Long millennia spent isolated from the worst of the galaxy’s conflicts have done nothing to soften the Leagues of Votann.

Seems we won’t be getting “they were there all the time we just didn’t mention them”, rather “there’s a reason we’ve seen little of them”

5 inches movement? Way too fast. Needs to be reduced to 3.

Squats are natural sprinters, very dangerous over short distances.

Ah good.

Hearthkyn™ and Thynes™!

Don't look too bad with that toughnes & juicy save, but the proof of the pudding will be in the points cost as everything is gearing towards a 2W meta

Little surprised at the 2A, but other than that about what I expected. Not a lot of room to play on the statline these days.

Combined with solid void-hardened armour and their knack for sticking around in close combat, these guys march in squads of up to 20 with high-tech guns blazing before charging in to mop up survivors.

So blobby squads, and sticky in combat. Interesting, depending what they mean by sticking around in combat.

This is of course matching the 2nd Ed Epic background, which described Squats as being tenacious in HTH, allowing them to re-roll 1’s, or 1’s and 2’s when fighting Orks specifically.

That’s the worst spelling of Thane I can imagine

 Strg Alt wrote:
5 inches movement? Way too fast. Needs to be reduced to 3.

They move faster because they have knees now.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ah good.

Hearthkyn™ and Thynes™!

We should just nuke Nottingham from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

I'm surprised by the S4 and A2. Not what I would have expected.

I believe that S3 and A1 would have been more appropriate. I suppose I can rationalize the S4, but not the A2, especially not the A2 if they're in units of 20.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Bit more info.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/26/take-a-first-look-at-leagues-of-votann-rules-with-this-hearthkyn-warrior/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=warhammer-40,000&utm_content=votan-&fbclid=IwAR0w_mhxBIot0Tn5lJwiyy6HHl3IjpPDjfjR3D7TtwqbicF7jSQ85L6Yy_M





Interesting tidbit…

Long millennia spent isolated from the worst of the galaxy’s conflicts have done nothing to soften the Leagues of Votann.

Seems we won’t be getting “they were there all the time we just didn’t mention them”, rather “there’s a reason we’ve seen little of them”

5 inches movement? Way too fast. Needs to be reduced to 3.

Squats are natural sprinters, very dangerous over short distances.

So M3" and auto advance 6"

 GaroRobe wrote:
That’s the worst spelling of Thane I can imagine

In their defence, it's an accepted variant of the spelling in Middle English.

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
That’s the worst spelling of Thane I can imagine

In their defence, it's an accepted variant of the spelling in Middle English.

It's the only one no-one else have registered yet?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ah good.

Hearthkyn™ and Thynes™!

Haven't they been calling themselves "Kin" in some of the background stuff? Why not internal consistency? I realize you need something to TM, but how about Hyrtthkin?

Would it have killed them to show a pic of at least one another model?

Also, l’m not sure I like them being as good as the primaris in melee.

"Hearthkyn" and "Theyn" fail in all the basic criteria for why you would want to use a weird custom word like this. Your competitors and imitators can still use "Hearthkin" and "Thane" to very easily circumvent your trademarks and copyrights and its so obvious to do so that those will be the terms predominantly used by everyone for that purpose as a simple matter of SEO.

 The Power Cosmic wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ah good.

Hearthkyn™ and Thynes™!

Haven't they been calling themselves "Kin" in some of the background stuff? Why not internal consistency? I realize you need something to TM, but how about Hyrtthkin?

Weirdly, given 'Kyn' is apparently a Nordic variant that's probably quite appropriate.

 Eilif wrote:

 KidCthulhu wrote:
I almost wonder if GW is "modernizing" the Squat design so much because they want to stand out from all these nostalgia-inspired models (and they're too numerous to to litigate all of them).

I assume that's part of it. Whether tweaking at the margins or full on PrimariSizing, GW does like to mix things up to stay ahead of the game.

A complete redesign seems unnecessary though as even a design more reminiscent of the fluff released as a plastic kit would far outsell any of the small shop figures. You can already buy small shop versions of almost any GW product you can name but folks still but the GW products more.

Doubtful honestly. GW are vast and for all the KS around, GW can remain true to their designs and still outsell them. Just look at Bloodbowl which is pretty faithful to its original designs.
I think its more that in 20-30 years GW's style of sculpting has gone through huge changes and classic Squats are just not a design that would fit with the current design work they do for 40K and look right in the setting. Sure they could play purely off the nostalgic element; but even then its been so long that I think Squats are a neat nostalgic trip, but I don't think there's a vast "need" for them to look the same.

It's not like Sisters of Battle which were at least sold in metal for a long while and had a lot of art and references and such.

Even the most recent Squat models in Necromunda were very much modern design themes.



Plus the creative staff at GW might well not even like the style of the old Squats. They might be totally new or even if they did work on the Squats, its so long ago their tastes and styles will likely have changed.



I don't see it as GW being afraid of any other market, but more GW just working with a theme and building it into something new within their modern designs.

So there's been a few mentions of them being starfarers, they "survive among the Stars", the reveal video had one of their ships arriving, the artwork shows them on a ship, and they're all wearing void-capable armour... sounds like they're probably going to be fleet-based after all.

A bit disappointed if that's the case as I think it limits what can be done with them quite a lot. Can't really have things like well defended planets with underground dwarf strongholds if they're stuck on ships. Also seems like something that overlaps with the Kharadron overlord theming a little, GW already has ship-based technologically advanced Dwarfs wearing enviroment suits.

I expect they'll retcon the Demiurg into being part of them, too...

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 The Power Cosmic wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ah good.

Hearthkyn™ and Thynes™!

Haven't they been calling themselves "Kin" in some of the background stuff? Why not internal consistency? I realize you need something to TM, but how about Hyrtthkin?

Weirdly, given 'Kyn' is apparently a Nordic variant that's probably quite appropriate.

It's so easy!

 The Power Cosmic wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ah good.

Hearthkyn™ and Thynes™!

Haven't they been calling themselves "Kin" in some of the background stuff? Why not internal consistency? I realize you need something to TM, but how about Hyrtthkin?

Too much like clearing your throat?

Or possibly Sylvester and Tweetypie

 oni wrote:
I'm surprised by the S4 and A2. Not what I would have expected.

I believe that S3 and A1 would have been more appropriate. I suppose I can rationalize the S4, but not the A2, especially not the A2 if they're in units of 20.

So expected them to be useless chaff in melee?

Well they still are short of amazing wargear/special rules...

 Crimson wrote:
Would it have killed them to show a pic of at least one another model?

Saving all for Da Big announcement.

 GaroRobe wrote:
That’s the worst spelling of Thane I can imagine

And Thane is the worse spelling of Thegn I can imagine.

Very surprised about S4 and WS/BS3+, though I guess I shouldn't be.

I'm confused. We've seen about as much of squats as we have chaos marines at this point. Are squats going to drop much sooner than we think?