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the squats were (plus they had the comes from human stock bonus that also kept the ogryn and ratlings alive) but they've lost their home systems and those populations
The Leagues are the Squats, though. I don't think it's actually been stated anywhere that they did lose the homeworlds, the Leagues were considered "extinct" to the Imperium, but that doesn't mean it was actually the case.
If the Imperium had interaction with them before in a similar vain to the original lore, and their level of tech was broadly the same 10,000 years ago (it was said they had the IronKin back then too) though, i'm not sure how they'd get around the issue of their dead worlds being investigated and having some of that tech from the Squat worlds if they actually were wiped out.
The Necromunda Squats have been said to have at least some contact with the Leagues "in the galactic core" over the millenia since the Horus Heresy ended as well.
If you go with the tyranid invasion as the reason they re gone all that would be left would be an airless rock with everything else gone (there might be the odd bit inorganic stuff left but from all the lore your not going to have masses of buildings/structures/robots etc kicking about to study
the squats were (plus they had the comes from human stock bonus that also kept the ogryn and ratlings alive) but they've lost their home systems and those populations
The Leagues are the Squats, though. I don't think it's actually been stated anywhere that they did lose the homeworlds, the Leagues were considered "extinct" to the Imperium, but that doesn't mean it was actually the case.
If the Imperium had interaction with them before in a similar vain to the original lore, and their level of tech was broadly the same 10,000 years ago (it was said they had the IronKin back then too) though, i'm not sure how they'd get around the issue of their dead worlds being investigated and having some of that tech from the Squat worlds if they actually were wiped out.
The Necromunda Squats have been said to have at least some contact with the Leagues "in the galactic core" over the millenia since the Horus Heresy ended as well.
I don’t disagree with you, but I do feel this is still a bit premature.
Outside of a Paycheck Awakening reference to “Skwats no waaaaaay”? We don’t really know what happened to keep them off the galactic stage - let alone what The Imperium believes to have happened to them.
As a proper slag for the background, this is the most excited I’ve been in a long, long time. Stuff I don’t know, but still have enough to currently speculate on!
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the squats were (plus they had the comes from human stock bonus that also kept the ogryn and ratlings alive) but they've lost their home systems and those populations
The Leagues are the Squats, though. I don't think it's actually been stated anywhere that they did lose the homeworlds, the Leagues were considered "extinct" to the Imperium, but that doesn't mean it was actually the case.
If the Imperium had interaction with them before in a similar vain to the original lore, and their level of tech was broadly the same 10,000 years ago (it was said they had the IronKin back then too) though, i'm not sure how they'd get around the issue of their dead worlds being investigated and having some of that tech from the Squat worlds if they actually were wiped out.
The Necromunda Squats have been said to have at least some contact with the Leagues "in the galactic core" over the millenia since the Horus Heresy ended as well.
I don’t disagree with you, but I do feel this is still a bit premature.
Outside of a Paycheck Awakening reference to “Skwats no waaaaaay”? We don’t really know what happened to keep them off the galactic stage - let alone what The Imperium believes to have happened to them.
As a proper slag for the background, this is the most excited I’ve been in a long, long time. Stuff I don’t know, but still have enough to currently speculate on!
I'm hoping that, whatever did happen to cause the Imperium to consider them extinct, it isn't as simple as just "Tyranids ate them". There's quite a few ways that could make it more interesting, e.g. having the Imperium abandon them, just assuming they were extinct and not really bothering to check, some sort of DAoT superweapon/planet teleporter etc.
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the squats were (plus they had the comes from human stock bonus that also kept the ogryn and ratlings alive) but they've lost their home systems and those populations
The Leagues are the Squats, though. I don't think it's actually been stated anywhere that they did lose the homeworlds, the Leagues were considered "extinct" to the Imperium, but that doesn't mean it was actually the case.
If the Imperium had interaction with them before in a similar vain to the original lore, and their level of tech was broadly the same 10,000 years ago (it was said they had the IronKin back then too) though, i'm not sure how they'd get around the issue of their dead worlds being investigated and having some of that tech from the Squat worlds if they actually were wiped out.
The Necromunda Squats have been said to have at least some contact with the Leagues "in the galactic core" over the millenia since the Horus Heresy ended as well.
I don’t disagree with you, but I do feel this is still a bit premature.
Outside of a Paycheck Awakening reference to “Skwats no waaaaaay”? We don’t really know what happened to keep them off the galactic stage - let alone what The Imperium believes to have happened to them.
As a proper slag for the background, this is the most excited I’ve been in a long, long time. Stuff I don’t know, but still have enough to currently speculate on!
I'm hoping that, whatever did happen to cause the Imperium to consider them extinct, it isn't as simple as just "Tyranids ate them". There's quite a few ways that could make it more interesting, e.g. having the Imperium abandon them, just assuming they were extinct and not really bothering to check, some sort of DAoT superweapon/planet teleporter etc.
I could see them deciding to sit out the horus heresy instead of taking sides and then deciding they were better off, while some world's become casualties of the crossfire and the species largely written off as a result
the squats were (plus they had the comes from human stock bonus that also kept the ogryn and ratlings alive) but they've lost their home systems and those populations
The Leagues are the Squats, though. I don't think it's actually been stated anywhere that they did lose the homeworlds, the Leagues were considered "extinct" to the Imperium, but that doesn't mean it was actually the case.
If the Imperium had interaction with them before in a similar vain to the original lore, and their level of tech was broadly the same 10,000 years ago (it was said they had the IronKin back then too) though, i'm not sure how they'd get around the issue of their dead worlds being investigated and having some of that tech from the Squat worlds if they actually were wiped out.
The Necromunda Squats have been said to have at least some contact with the Leagues "in the galactic core" over the millenia since the Horus Heresy ended as well.
I don’t disagree with you, but I do feel this is still a bit premature.
Outside of a Paycheck Awakening reference to “Skwats no waaaaaay”? We don’t really know what happened to keep them off the galactic stage - let alone what The Imperium believes to have happened to them.
As a proper slag for the background, this is the most excited I’ve been in a long, long time. Stuff I don’t know, but still have enough to currently speculate on!
I'm hoping that, whatever did happen to cause the Imperium to consider them extinct, it isn't as simple as just "Tyranids ate them". There's quite a few ways that could make it more interesting, e.g. having the Imperium abandon them, just assuming they were extinct and not really bothering to check, some sort of DAoT superweapon/planet teleporter etc.
I could see them deciding to sit out the horus heresy instead of taking sides and then deciding they were better off, while some world's become casualties of the crossfire and the species largely written off as a result
Doesn't sound overly plausible based on what we know. The Squats on Necromunda were members of the Leagues who left the galactic core to help the Imperium rebuild after the Horus Heresy.
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For clarity and sake of convivial convo, I’m not claiming you’re therefore wrong.
Just…we don’t, for now, know when the Kyn properly embraced their Votann.
I say that as I feel an argument could be made that them seeing a post Heresy Imperium fall ever deeper into ignorance, they embraced their own technological abilities?
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the squats were (plus they had the comes from human stock bonus that also kept the ogryn and ratlings alive) but they've lost their home systems and those populations
The Leagues are the Squats, though. I don't think it's actually been stated anywhere that they did lose the homeworlds, the Leagues were considered "extinct" to the Imperium, but that doesn't mean it was actually the case.
If the Imperium had interaction with them before in a similar vain to the original lore, and their level of tech was broadly the same 10,000 years ago (it was said they had the IronKin back then too) though, i'm not sure how they'd get around the issue of their dead worlds being investigated and having some of that tech from the Squat worlds if they actually were wiped out.
The Necromunda Squats have been said to have at least some contact with the Leagues "in the galactic core" over the millenia since the Horus Heresy ended as well.
I don’t disagree with you, but I do feel this is still a bit premature.
Outside of a Paycheck Awakening reference to “Skwats no waaaaaay”? We don’t really know what happened to keep them off the galactic stage - let alone what The Imperium believes to have happened to them.
As a proper slag for the background, this is the most excited I’ve been in a long, long time. Stuff I don’t know, but still have enough to currently speculate on!
I'm hoping that, whatever did happen to cause the Imperium to consider them extinct, it isn't as simple as just "Tyranids ate them". There's quite a few ways that could make it more interesting, e.g. having the Imperium abandon them, just assuming they were extinct and not really bothering to check, some sort of DAoT superweapon/planet teleporter etc.
If they’re going with the Leagues being a variety of different, semi-independent clans, then it could be as simple as the Leagues that had regular contact with the Imperium got wiped out, whilst those further into the galactic core were not.
Zed wrote: *All statements reflect my opinion at this moment. if some sort of pretty new model gets released (or if I change my mind at random) I reserve the right to jump on any bandwagon at will.
the squats were (plus they had the comes from human stock bonus that also kept the ogryn and ratlings alive) but they've lost their home systems and those populations
The Leagues are the Squats, though. I don't think it's actually been stated anywhere that they did lose the homeworlds, the Leagues were considered "extinct" to the Imperium, but that doesn't mean it was actually the case.
If the Imperium had interaction with them before in a similar vain to the original lore, and their level of tech was broadly the same 10,000 years ago (it was said they had the IronKin back then too) though, i'm not sure how they'd get around the issue of their dead worlds being investigated and having some of that tech from the Squat worlds if they actually were wiped out.
The Necromunda Squats have been said to have at least some contact with the Leagues "in the galactic core" over the millenia since the Horus Heresy ended as well.
I don’t disagree with you, but I do feel this is still a bit premature.
Outside of a Paycheck Awakening reference to “Skwats no waaaaaay”? We don’t really know what happened to keep them off the galactic stage - let alone what The Imperium believes to have happened to them.
As a proper slag for the background, this is the most excited I’ve been in a long, long time. Stuff I don’t know, but still have enough to currently speculate on!
I'm hoping that, whatever did happen to cause the Imperium to consider them extinct, it isn't as simple as just "Tyranids ate them". There's quite a few ways that could make it more interesting, e.g. having the Imperium abandon them, just assuming they were extinct and not really bothering to check, some sort of DAoT superweapon/planet teleporter etc.
Wouldn't be the first time the Adeptus Administratum got entire planets forgotten about because some scribe forgot to copy over the right paperwork and found later.
the squats were (plus they had the comes from human stock bonus that also kept the ogryn and ratlings alive) but they've lost their home systems and those populations
The Leagues are the Squats, though. I don't think it's actually been stated anywhere that they did lose the homeworlds, the Leagues were considered "extinct" to the Imperium, but that doesn't mean it was actually the case.
If the Imperium had interaction with them before in a similar vain to the original lore, and their level of tech was broadly the same 10,000 years ago (it was said they had the IronKin back then too) though, i'm not sure how they'd get around the issue of their dead worlds being investigated and having some of that tech from the Squat worlds if they actually were wiped out.
The Necromunda Squats have been said to have at least some contact with the Leagues "in the galactic core" over the millenia since the Horus Heresy ended as well.
I don’t disagree with you, but I do feel this is still a bit premature.
Outside of a Paycheck Awakening reference to “Skwats no waaaaaay”? We don’t really know what happened to keep them off the galactic stage - let alone what The Imperium believes to have happened to them.
As a proper slag for the background, this is the most excited I’ve been in a long, long time. Stuff I don’t know, but still have enough to currently speculate on!
I'm hoping that, whatever did happen to cause the Imperium to consider them extinct, it isn't as simple as just "Tyranids ate them". There's quite a few ways that could make it more interesting, e.g. having the Imperium abandon them, just assuming they were extinct and not really bothering to check, some sort of DAoT superweapon/planet teleporter etc.
Well it could be that the Leagues cut off contact, perhaps post Heresy after seeing the devastation caused, isolationism is a a bit of a dwarf trait. The little thats on Lexicanium about the galactic core says that "The region suffers from frequent ionic reefs, null-zones, and nomadic singularities that make Warp travel hazardous" so a good place to retreat to. It also says that now "The Galactic Core has become the region of the Galaxy most heavily affected by the formation of the Great Rift. It is now utterly consumed by Warp Rifts and the Imperium is unsure if anything within it can even survive." so possibly why the Leagues are emerging back into the the setting.
In terms of not knowing the Leagues capabilities - they have Ion, Volkanite, graviton and conversion beamer tech, fully functional STC systems, AI tech and are not shackled by religious dogma. I'd say there's a good chance they would be a match for Imperium tech, but perhaps not the Imperium numbers.
But if the official Administratum records show that the squats were eaten by tyranids then it is true, and it is highest heresy to suggest someone should actually go check!
Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!
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Flinty wrote: But if the official Administratum records show that the squats were eaten by tyranids then it is true, and it is highest heresy to suggest someone should actually go check!
You'd think some Rogue Trader or Magos Explorator would nod then went anyway to loot whatever profitable stuff remained behind. I guess GW can always say some tried but Leagues wiped them out before they managed to transmit the news demise rumors were solidly overstated?
Does anyone know if this background art is something to do with the Leagues?
Appears to be art of multiple screaming human-like faces with what looks as if be sort of cables going into their eyes and they might have beards? Not a clear picture so hard to tell if that's the case. I'm assuming it's just a generic thing they use all the time but I had a look around the WarCom site and the only image that I can find this on is the original HearthKyn reveal, so no idea if this is background art that's been seen before in other places or not.
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Zed wrote: *All statements reflect my opinion at this moment. if some sort of pretty new model gets released (or if I change my mind at random) I reserve the right to jump on any bandwagon at will.
Personally, I can't say I am fond of all the bare faces, when you have a perfectly good armored faceplate/helmet. Also "Autarch-pattern" bolters....Does GW need a thesaurus? They seem to be repeating/running out of names.
Those pictures also show that their women are not bearded.
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I like the full squad. The little doodad above the sergeant is very cool, as is the power axe. I like the mix of the regular lot and robots. Some of the heads are a lot more dwarfy, which I appreciate. But they could be dwarfier.
Still I like the look of the full squad. Hopefully this means the Votanni are the next release.
Also "Autarch-pattern" bolters....Does GW need a thesaurus?
Gods, yes.
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So, any other issues aside. The proportions just aren't working for me. Some of the models are fine, but not enough. (Ironically, the leader holding his sword up looks like one of the better models to me. His buddy with the 80s-retro shades is a huge nostalgia button, which I actively dislike).
And then there is the 'yet more guns' for a game that frankly doesn't need that.
Also, I can't ever unseen the armored cup. Even on the robot, who's head has its own anatomical issues.
I think that is the point, the gold/bronze domed one is a robot squat. He has bionic legs/knees a well.
Looking at the variety of legs I do not think it is a sprue of 5 either, I could not see any obvious repeats amongst the 10.
Not entirely sold on these, as a rule they look a lot better fully helmeted with the visor down (the rail rifle one looks awesome) , but not sure if that will be an option with the amount of heads on the sprue. A lot of the bare heads just look off to me, and the way the Theyn is brandishing that sword just looks daft.
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I absolutely love everything about these, including the retro nods and their weird proportions/robots.
I think people might feel better if we eventually see how these look beside other man-sized models - projections with poor depth of field or whatever aren't gonna be enough to estimate. I'm hoping they're thick and broad relative to their height when set beside, say, a Sororitas.
I'm all for every single one of these. So far, GW has done nothing with the Votann that I actively dislike. Every model has been at the very least a "Hmm, yeah, I could work with that." What I'd really love to see is if they don't make any kind of mechanical distinction between Kin and Ironkin whatsoever, at least in this kind of infantry unit (I expect there are Ironkin with much more robust frames out there). It'd just conceptually drive home the whole "Kin is Kin" thing.
My only concern/point of curiosity is where are they going with the backstory. They again pretty heavily imply that life in the leagues is pretty good for the average Kin, and since this is 40k after all, I'm wondering where the catch is. Is this some kind of elaborate Omelas scenario, or are the Leagues just figuratively cocking the snook at the grimdark excesses every other faction needs to rely on to even survive, all the while just generally having a pretty nice time?
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Still not entirety sure what to think of them. Better impression than the first model, but still not quite there for me compared to Grendlesen.
I like some parts, and quite dislike others. The casual use of bionics/cybernetics and the mixed Ironkin is cool, and so far the slight retro callbacks like the goggles and such. Some of the heads feel a bit more Dwarfy which is great. But the armour proportions feel a bit off, and they're still very lacking in the Dwarf themeing. Theres some geometric pattern on one weapon and that's it.
Why is it that so much of what GW puts out these days feels over-designed from a compositional perspective?
My brain is immediately overwhelmed when I look at those new models. There is so much going on and competing for attention, that it all gets drowned out together. The swords and weapons are particularly bad when placed against the armour and belt details. It's just too much.
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