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Dagnamit, is I have an image of an even more burly Gerard Butler screaming “this is not squat, this is Votann!” And kicking the admech guy into a big hole. And then later the admech guy floats out on integral AG looking vaguely embarrassed. Maybe they should be kicked into a blender like a Pufferbird into a Meat Vortex.

 Gratlugg wrote:
AoS over-designed? It has a lot cleaner lines than lots of 40k minis. To each their own, though.

When I think over-designed and AoS, I think of character models like Nagash, Archaon, and Avalenor, these massive centerpiece models festooned with filigree, knicknacks and/or skulls. They're also overdesigned specifically for use as gaming pieces, having fragile components, complicated three-dimensional poses, and/or massively elevated stature and size. AoS does occasionally feel like the artists are still flexing and relishing not being tied to a regiment-based ruleset or metal/resin materials and as such are joyfully creating these previously-impossible miniatures to show off their skills.

It's not all bad, I quite like what they did with Light of Eltharion, and rare among named AoS characters, he's actually possible to fit in a miniature case for transport :-P And sometimes the weightless, ethereal floatiness thing works, Lady Olynder stands out to me as being fantastically executed, one of the best-sculpted miniatures of the past decade - fragile and impractical for transport as she is.

More or less liking what I'm seeing thus far...

Apart from the faces, male or female, which seem very pinched to me. I'll be replacing those with some Durgin Paint Forge heads, which are far more expressive IMO.

 schoon wrote:
More or less liking what I'm seeing thus far...

Apart from the faces, male or female, which seem very pinched to me. I'll be replacing those with some Durgin Paint Forge heads, which are far more expressive IMO.

Obviously the correct solution is to replace them with Genestealer Cultist heads. Might have to sneak in an extra arm here and there, too.

 crumby_cataphract wrote:
Honestly? These are outstanding. Each of the models has so much character. There's definitely some similarity to Starcraft marines, but that doesn't particularly bother me.

Like others have said, I hope we have the option to equip a full squad with sealed helmets. I like the faces, a lot, but the visors also look cool.


And those weapon designs! Man...I love all of them. It's genuinely so fascinating to see how each of the weapons systems clearly descends from the same tech tree as the IoM, but is more sophisticated.

It looks like its going to be a really cool set to pick up with lots of options. hoping for lots of different head/helmet options plus there are probably more weapon options like the missile launcher, power fist etc. I think might do the vizors in dark bronze with glowing eyes, I like how the Theyns have at least two different totems -a wolf and a boar [plus there is a hawk in the rumour engine]. Looks to be a set with packed sprues.

Looking forward to seeing some character models and I wonder if they will get a heavy weapon squad as well as the Beserks and the Einhyr.

Oh, good eye, I hadn't realized the two Theyn had different back icons.

This rumour engine picture from june last year is definitely another one of those backpack banner things:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
This rumour engine picture from june last year is definitely another one of those backpack banner things:

Good catch!

Am I the only one getting strong Kill Team vibes from some of the war gear options? I mean, we all know it'll be a full faction, but I wonder if the first release will be part of a Kill Team set.


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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I like the Ion Blasters and the magnarail rifle. I think those have an overall nice design.
The sights on most of the weapons seem impractical though.

I would very much like a 5 page arguement on the efficacy of Votann iron sights please!

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
No bolters, oddly enough. I see the Ion Blasters, the Magnarail, the revolvers and the hylas, but not the volkite, the bolter and the missile launcher.

I wonder if the handgun in the top right LEFT is supposed to be the bolter? It's definitely different than the bolt-revolver, but seems too short squat for a full bolter.

It looks bolter-y to me. Same back. Mostly the same barrel (has the holes in the right place, but more furniture around it, like a BIG barrel shroud).

It does have some similarities to the Autoch Bolter, but having bolt revolvers and bolt pistols would seem a bit odd.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
It does have some similarities to the Autoch Bolter, but having bolt revolvers and bolt pistols would seem a bit odd.

After GW gave Primaris dozens of different bolt weapons, I don't know if two different style pistols should qualify as odd. It's kind of modest. Depending on the edition, stubguns, laspistols and auto pistols are mechanically interchangeable and pretty much just different names and looks for "Imperial low end sidearm". It could be as simple as that for Squats, just a bit of visual variation that the sculptors liked. Of course the rules writers will likely want to differentiate them, as they are prone to these days, so maybe two shots for the pistol and more strength for the revolver or something.

KillerAngel wrote:
I wonder if the handgun in the top right is supposed to be the bolter? It's definitely different than the bolt-revolver, but seems too short squat for a full bolter.

Spoiler:

Bolt pistol, I would hazard. We do know what a full sized bolter looks like from the weapons preview.
Note the angle of the magazine. Also seems kind of longer? It could just be a case of the art not matching the models, mind you.
I for one was not expecting the hylas to be that round. Not sure I like the design that much. It's not bad per se, but it reminds me a little of a super soaker.


As for the ironsights, they just look kind of small to me on the model. In the picture they looked a little larger, and imperial bolters have much larger iron sights, more comparable with what you would see on actual rifles.
Could be worse I suppose, there could be no sights.

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 Mentlegen324 wrote:
It does have some similarities to the Autoch Bolter, but having bolt revolvers and bolt pistols would seem a bit odd.

Kind of, yeah. We do have revolvers and semi-autopistols today so I guess it sort of makes sense?

I find it interesting that most of the infantry models we've seen are armed with the Ion Blaster. That seems to be what GW has decided the standard Votann weapon is going to be.
Which is great, having yet another army of bolter users would be a bit banal.
Problem though is that Tau ion weapons at least seem to be high strength with decent armor penetration (average of -2) and range. An army of that seems...excessive.
I'm going to assume that they'll be something like S5 AP-1 D1 at 24" range. That seems kind of reasonable?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

KillerAngel wrote:
I wonder if the handgun in the top right is supposed to be the bolter? It's definitely different than the bolt-revolver, but seems too short squat for a full bolter.

Spoiler:

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 Mentlegen324 wrote:
It does have some similarities to the Autoch Bolter, but having bolt revolvers and bolt pistols would seem a bit odd.

Kind of, yeah. We do have revolvers and semi-autopistols today so I guess it sort of makes sense?

I find it interesting that most of the infantry models we've seen are armed with the Ion Blaster. That seems to be what GW has decided the standard Votann weapon is going to be.
Which is great, having yet another army of bolter users would be a bit banal.
Problem though is that Tau ion weapons at least seem to be high strength with decent armor penetration (average of -2) and range. An army of that seems...excessive.
I'm going to assume that they'll be something like S5 AP-1 D1 at 24" range. That seems kind of reasonable?

I get the impression this is just a squad specialized in the "sundering the defences of heavily-armoured opponents with ion blasters and HYLas auto-rifles" role and that the Autoch Bolter will also be a standard weapon.

As for that pistol though, it's a surprise it doesn't have an angled magazine considering nearly every other magazine-loaded weapon we've seen from them so far does.

I'm expecting the bolters to be rarer in use than the ion weaponry in order to make them more clearly un-imperial.

Pretty sure it’s a bolt pistol as well due to the design on the side. The energy weapons don’t have that same design, while the autochs does.


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So the Votann like artisanal weapons, but only if they are automatic bolt style weapons

 Flinty wrote:
Pretty sure it’s a bolt pistol as well due to the design on the side. The energy weapons don’t have that same design, while the autochs does.


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So the Votann like artisanal weapons, but only if they are automatic bolt style weapons

Oh, I dunno about that.
Artisanal doesn't necessarily mean fancy or decorated, it just means crafted by an artisan, in order words, a skilled craftsman. Whilst an artisan can add a bunch of hand crafted decorations, it is not obligatory.

Being artisanal does, however, imply that every gun the Votann uses was made by hand. Much like the Vostroyans, iirc.

Yeah, but stuff that is artisanal is usually fiddly and twiddly, otherwise how do Tarquin and Felicity know that what you have bought is properly made by a specially trained carver ferret from Kenya (Kenya believe it?)

To a race that want well made functional items I could see it being either decorative or not no issue.

I notice in the images, there's a Votanni lady armed with a bolt revolver and a knife, which looks quite small. Perhaps the revolver is the typical sidearm.

The larger weapon the Thayn is carrying looks a lot like the Autoch pattern bolter but a little smaller. Is it perhaps some sort of odd "SMG style" weapon the squad leader is using or indeed just a straight up bolter as opposed to it being a pistol?

 Olthannon wrote:
I notice in the images, there's a Votanni lady armed with a bolt revolver and a knife, which looks quite small. Perhaps the revolver is the typical sidearm.

The larger weapon the Thayn is carrying looks a lot like the Autoch pattern bolter but a little smaller. Is it perhaps some sort of odd "SMG style" weapon the squad leader is using or indeed just a straight up bolter as opposed to it being a pistol?

Yeah I'd say the bolt revolver is a back up side arm and the Theyn's gun is more of a SMG with either a higher rate of fire/higher strength as it's her main weapon.
Hadn't noticed they all had the Ion Blasters- which looks cool to me, I'd say they would have a shorter range than Tau so I'd say you're right @CthululSpy.

Looking back at the gun art - none of those heavy weapons are listed with this squad and they all look man/kin portable -so maybe a heavy weapons squad [thunderers] to come?

I feel like my liking of the squats will go up a loooot when people get their hands on them, and give them a better paint scheme.

I mean, just look at how much better this necromunda squat looks. I actually want to get them now

I don't know if it's the paint job on the face or the angle, but that helmet suddenly looks a lot less stupid then when I first saw some of them

I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess that this is going to be like the Corsairs sprue, ie. gives you multiple very different layouts - one of which, and its the one shown, is very kill-teamy due to the amount of specialists on display.

N3p3nth3 wrote:
I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess that this is going to be like the Corsairs sprue, ie. gives you multiple very different layouts - one of which, and its the one shown, is very kill-teamy due to the amount of specialists on display.

And I'm going to say no, because it's not a Kill Team sprue but a Necromunda one.
Oh and because we already saw the sprues.

Sprues pics here https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/necromunda-ironhead-squat-prospectors-2022

 GaroRobe wrote:
I feel like my liking of the squats will go up a loooot when people get their hands on them, and give them a better paint scheme.

I mean, just look at how much better this necromunda squat looks. I actually want to get them now

Spoiler:

Who painted that one, Garorobe?

That revolver has two barrels, doesn't it?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That Revolver has two barrels, doesn't it?

Yes
Every single one of their guns has two barrels

All the Necromunda squat weapons have two barrels and they all look terrible. I think the Votann weapons look much better, even with a few weird choices like the bolt shotgun.

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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That Revolver has two barrels, doesn't it?

Yes
Every single one of their guns has two barrels

Ok but why tho?
Are they all Devil May Cry fans are something?