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I like this melted knight face.

Loyalist Knights get prayers!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/21/how-veteran-knights-use-knightly-teachings-to-empower-their-armiger-equerries/

Also, they did a lovely job of referencing a spoiler they haven't actually given yet regarding chain cleavers.

Warcom article on Preceptors and the Chaplain-like buffs that the rumors said were coming.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/21/how-veteran-knights-use-knightly-teachings-to-empower-their-armiger-equerries/

Preceptors will know three and cast two teachings out of a list of 6.

Action and move/shoot, awesome and absolutely needed for this army!

The Code Chivalric order can give an Armiger the benefits of a third Oath. It does not get the Pledge -or- the Troth, so you couldn't gain more Honor but you could (for example) fall back and not gain dishonor.

The third one confirms the rumored 6'' aura of exploding 6's to hit for Armigers.

They mention the upgraded reaper chain glaives will get up to 8 hit rolls, linking to the previous article that does not talk about the reaper chain glaive. >.>

Edit: Thwarted! Well played Laughing Man, well played.

Edit the second: The Teachings seem to be locked to <Noble Household> which would preclude Freeblades, right?

My trick is that I figured I'd just edit details in later.

I'm eying my 4 Avenger Gatling Cannon and hoping that they get a small boost similar to the other guns. Has there been any rumors on what the Questoris gatling might do?

Wow, those abilities names are contenders for the least relevance for what benefits they actually provide.

Why does 'the folly of mercy' let you perform actions and shoot?

Or 'virtue of courage' let you get extra hits on a 6? I could actually see it, vaguely, if they were swapped. No mercy: extra hits. Courage: defending a position while firing.

Having wrapped up Kingmaker, there was mention of a Knight Valiant using its harpoon as a mace in melee, it might be nothing, a bit of creative writing, or it might be a sneaky preview of what a new Valiant may do come the new codex?

Not sure if this has been asked yet. Is the new Abominant knight a psyker? If so then no use by Khorne dedicated houses ☹️

John D Law wrote:
Not sure if this has been asked yet. Is the new Abominant knight a psyker? If so then no use by Khorne dedicated houses ☹️

So it is, but the kit comes with all the options to turn it into any of the Chaos variants, apparently. Also, you can use the "Blood Shield" Favored add-on to give it +1 WS and +1 A. Since we know there's other Khorne-related Favors, you can imagine most of them will allow for the same approximate thing.

Thank you for the Blood Shield info. I was really worried my force wouldn’t have access to those cool tentacles!

So every model will have the following buffs:

- Trait
- Relic
- Favours of gods
- Mark of chaos
- Spells (aparently 5+++)
- House

I think they are not making the datasheet very powerful for you to buff the units with those combos. For example, if you can go 5+++ with the spell, 4++ with favour of god, ramshackle with household, T9 with a relic and 2+ with a trait, you can make a despoiler more or less like Mortarion, which isn't bad as we shoot like a rock.

If you, for example, can make 2 posible combinations like this for a 5+++ and 4++ (like the FNP of the favour of god and a 4++ by relic) then you can build 2 despoilers and 6-8 wardogs, which isn't bad for me

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Kebabcito wrote:
So every model will have the following buffs:

- Trait
- Relic
- Favours of gods
- Mark of chaos
- Spells (aparently 5+++)
- House

I think they are not making the datasheet very powerful for you to buff the units with those combos. For example, if you can go 5+++ with the spell, 4++ with favour of god, ramshackle with household, T9 with a relic and 2+ with a trait, you can make a despoiler more or less like Mortarion, which isn't bad as we shoot like a rock.

If you, for example, can make 2 posible combinations like this for a 5+++ and 4++ (like the FNP of the favour of god and a 4++ by relic) then you can build 2 despoilers and 6-8 wardogs, which isn't bad for me

Err, you have to pay for the Favors of the god/Marks. You can get some models with all of this, but it's going to add up quickly.

Seen.

They're trying to aim at the overpowered combinations for punishing them.

For example, the melee knight (abhorrent level) can be upgraded with advance and charge, it cost more than in armigers and tyrants, because it is a waste in 1 armiger and too risky in a castellan to rush turn 1.

By the way, as far as I understand, they want you to play some big boys, because it is imposible to pay upgrades for 10 wardogs without wasting da points.

Thanks for sharing that with us Sasori! That's really exciting to see.

Slightly disappointed the Avenger Gatling Cannon didn't get a small bump somewhere, but it was the best of the Questoris weapons prior to the updated Codex. It's funny that the Helverin basically has a RFBC that is Str 7 instead of 8. Fewer shots off of one gun, but more off of both.

Twin autocannon are looking a little more tempting at 20 points.

I'm surprised that there are Marks that are more expensive than the Be'lakor mark! I'm guessing that the Putrid Carapace will be a 5+++, but honestly I value no rerolls more.

Boooooooooooooooooooooo! They really should have just removed the doubling-up.

I'm pretty sure that invalidating people's expensive model conversions wouldn't go over well.

I'm interested to see how the Freeblade/Dreadblade options change in the new codex. I feel like the old Dreadblade pacts were better than the Freeblade boons and I'm hoping that changes.

My basic plan of a Castellan Tyrant, Desecrator, and 6x War Dogs looks like its right on point after a couple of Mark upgrades. This is pleasing!

bmsattler wrote:
I'm pretty sure that invalidating people's expensive model conversions wouldn't go over well.

They did it to my Skitarii squads' loadouts, so I have very little sympathy. They did it to my Onager Squadrons, so I have very little sympathy. Y'all can just join me in being salty about it.

Also, lol @ "expensive model conversions". Because having two of the same gun is somehow "expensive model conversions"?

It's just bloody bizarre that they pretend that it is somehow a Chaos-y thing for someone to have put two of the same gun on a Knight suit.

Kan,

Please don't drive this further off topic with your salt, this thread has been really good about keeping on track.


Back on topic:

I was pretty much on the Tyrant Hypetrain with Wardogs, but now I'm starting to think 3 Abhorrent class, probably a rampager, desecrator and Abombinant and then filling out the rest in Wardogs may be the way to go. Tyrant is super good though, but man, it's a huge chunk of your army.

Tyrant is very good atm with the plasma. It really shreds terminators and tiranids. Plus other melta & stuff.

The point is, everyone can destroy a tyrant even with 5+++ nowadays.

You know wishing ill for others just because it happened to you isn’t a healthy mentality. Personally I’d celebrate if they started walking back the forced builds regardless of who it’s for. Considering for the tire run imperial knights were always better, I think it’s fine to leave chaos with one thing

I've been running a 500 point Magaera as the standard for a Questoris hull, so my thinking is a little skewed. But I think that a Tyrant is as useful as a Magaera and a War Dog in the right circumstances. A big part of it will be reliant on Stratagems and such. They are already increasing the cost of Marks for a Tyrant, which makes sense but suggests that Stratagems will also cost more like they did with the Raven supplement.

There's also the reduced speed, which will make getting firing angles and touching the right terrain harder. I see a Tyrant as the king of killing big stuff and that's the main reason I look at taking it. Magaera have traditionally struggled against Toughness 8. The new Laser Destructor and Thermal Cannon may have me revisit my opinion on the Tyrant.

 Sasori wrote:
Kan,

Please don't drive this further off topic with your salt, this thread has been really good about keeping on track.


Back on topic:

I was pretty much on the Tyrant Hypetrain with Wardogs, but now I'm starting to think 3 Abhorrent class, probably a rampager, desecrator and Abombinant and then filling out the rest in Wardogs may be the way to go. Tyrant is super good though, but man, it's a huge chunk of your army.

tyrants expensive but i cant pass up the volcano cannon, my local meta makes it almost mandatory as i wont get much else in the army that can kill reliably enough.

Wonder if the forgeworld knights will be able to be upgraded with marks, etc.

 Sasori wrote:
Kan,

Please don't drive this further off topic with your salt, this thread has been really good about keeping on track.

Yeah, and I've been on topic Sasori. The topic is Knights not just Chaos ones unfortunately. There's not enough to have justified a Loyalist thread, hence why I'm even posting in this one to begin with.

Frankly, I'm allowed a bit of salt. It's obnoxious that the Loyalist book is held hostage by the Chaos book which is getting an army set and the one exclusive Loyalist kit is also being added into the Chaos side of things to boot!

It's ridiculous that there's a swathe of new kits added to the Chaos side of things while they can't even throw the Loyalists a bone and add the ability to double-up on weapons or do something special.

The Imperial Knights book should have been released months ago. Not like there's any reason for it to have to sit and wait.

 nathan2004 wrote:
Wonder if the forgeworld knights will be able to be upgraded with marks, etc.

in a way i hope not, id hate the meta to just be forgeworld knights again

 Kanluwen wrote:

It's ridiculous that there's a swathe of new kits added to the Chaos side of things while they can't even throw the Loyalists a bone and add the ability to double-up on weapons or something.

Imperial Knights are getting a whole slew of rules that are specific to them, including the Chaplain-like abilities for the Preceptor. The Desecrator is rumored not to be getting similar abilities. Honestly right now I'm looking at using my knights as Imperial due to better rules and Secondary options.

Funny to see the melee variant of the war dogs being the cheaper one. Wonder what it means ?

The gap in point for taking a Rampager compared to a Gauntlet + sword Despoiler shrank to 5 points. Wonder how the two compare for a pure melee army now ?

Love to see imperial fans crying because of chaos miniatures innovation.

It's weird to see those humans behaviours

The mini-gatling + melee option looks really enticing to me. If I can take 2x mini-gatlings then that's even better than lightning locks, but I'm not counting on it. Still debating whether a gatling/thermal would be worth it.

bmsattler wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

It's ridiculous that there's a swathe of new kits added to the Chaos side of things while they can't even throw the Loyalists a bone and add the ability to double-up on weapons or something.

Imperial Knights are getting a whole slew of rules that are specific to them, including the Chaplain-like abilities for the Preceptor. The Desecrator is rumored not to be getting similar abilities.

Yes, the Desecrator does not get similar abilities...
Because there's a whole psychic discipline instead on the Abominant.