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Hi guys, not sure where to post it so i'm going for here.
With our local gaming group, we plan to do a 2V2 tournament. Every player brings 1K, so it's a 2K in total.
of course no buffing each other, and so on
tournamentslogan: go hard and bring beers or go home.

So i was thinking about trying to win through board control and troop spam with tyranids. My buddy can do the same with necron focussed on reanimating his troops, so we have a huge army of respawning/reanimating models.
my initial idea was hive fleet jormungandr (for the dense cover) with exoskeletal reinforcement (ap1 =0), and 2 tervigons and 3 blobs gaunts.
When i get rid of a couple of gaunts per blob, thats 1K. Nice.

Only issue is: No anti tank.
I see 3 options: ignore the anti tank, and ignore the enemy tanks. but if we face a pile of dreadnoughts we will have a hard time.
I can add a tyranofex with rupture cannon, or an exocrine (of course with adaptive biology dermic symbiosis 4+ invul, as this wil be a target priority of the enemy). But adding a big model like this kind of beats the idea of the list with buckets of respawning models, and it gives lascannons targets they will otherwise not have. My tervigons will be "untargettable" early in the game, as i try to keep at least 2 gauntblobs closeby to "look out tervi" them.

The trade for antitank also comes at a cost of +/- a blob gaunts or a tervigon (and 10 gaunt spawn), so a heavy trade.

So what would you guys do, i have a hard time making a decision here:

1)stay with the plan, ignore tanks, and ignore anti tank (with the extra 2x10gaunts, it's 101 gaunts on 1K points)
2) bring a tyranofex, trade for gaunts
3) bring a tyranofex, trade for tervigon
4)bring a exocrine, trade for gaunts
5)bring a exocrine, trade for tervigon

Thanks!

Well, you have a few choices...1) Just swarm the Dreads and hope to spawn faster than he kills. 2) Drop a Tervigon, and bring in a tank killer Or 3) Talk to the necron player they have some good anti tank, might be they can take up the slack?

A Tervigon is still a melee monster, and if properly upgraded with toxins, adrenals, relic, warlord trait and stratagems, it can be a quite scary melee monster.

The maw-claws and heightened senses combo is quite strong on a Tervigon, specially if you manage to feed on enemy units to gain extra attacks.

If you are really scared of tanks, give them crushing claws, but even the talons can do good work against enemy tanks.

But if you feel even that is not enough, bring a Tyrannofex instead of a brood of gaunts.

 Tyran wrote:
A Tervigon is still a melee monster, and if properly upgraded with toxins, adrenals, relic, warlord trait and stratagems, it can be a quite scary melee monster.

The maw-claws and heightened senses combo is quite strong on a Tervigon, specially if you manage to feed on enemy units to gain extra attacks.

If you are really scared of tanks, give them crushing claws, but even the talons can do good work against enemy tanks.

But if you feel even that is not enough, bring a Tyrannofex instead of a brood of gaunts.

I wasn't aware of that tervi combo, thanks! It seems strong indeed. I will do 2 testruns, one without tyrannofex and let the tervigons do the antitank, the other one with tyrannofex. But i think i like the list more without tyrannofex and with more gaunts-tervigon

edit: my all time favourite tank hunters (hive guard).. GW, what have you done to them

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

pinecone77 wrote:
Boy howdy, it looks like GW did their usual over correction. It will take a while to see if some new builds can keeps us competitive.

The points changes are annoying. The Maleceptor change was unnecessary given the FAQ nerfs. The Hive Tyrant increase is exactly as I predicted further up the page; it won't be our last increase there. The Carnifex ones I get, but 15 was too much. The Tyranid Warrior one is the worst, as it all but ensures that the only combo worth taking is 2 Swords/Deathspitter. The Harpy 100% needed to go up. The Tyrannocyte one is weird. Increasing Swarmy and One Eye just because they put up Tyrants and 'Fexes was stupid.

But ultimately these changes are minor, because the bigger changes were the three changes we got shafted with in the balance slate.

1. HT always has to be the Warlord. Ok, not the end of the world, except...
2. ... if our Warlord dies we can't use Synaptic Imperatives. This is in the same update that made Necron protocols all-game affairs that can be used from any character.

... and worst of all...

3. Our Adaptive Physiology is no longer adaptive, as we have to choose it when making a list, thereby defeating the entire fething point of the rule.

The first one is annoying. The second one is crippling. That last one is galling.

Yep, killed the HT of any flavor, IMO. +20 and 3 TG is too much of a tax.

Well...I am hearing rumors of 10th edition. If that is around the corner, who knows what will be the new "meta".

pinecone77 wrote:
Well...I am hearing rumors of 10th edition. If that is around the corner, who knows what will be the new "meta".

There are the rumors that 10th will have Nids in the launch box. If those turn out to be true we will probably get an early codex, which is good for a little bit as we get to play the haves-vs-have nots game while other are waiting. But with codex creep being what it is, will make it a rough second half of the new edition.

Word!

Hey all, I'm playing my first game in almost a year this weekend, 1000 points and I was hoping to get some ideas of what people seem to be having success with at that point level. For reference I don't currently own a Maleceptor, Haruspex, Toxicrene or Tyrranocite and I only have 1 Biovore.

A lot of things really. Most of our codex is if not strong then at least playable.

 Tyran wrote:
A lot of things really. Most of our codex is if not strong then at least playable.

Having read through it I'm definitely getting that vibe. My issue is in determining what to bring at 1000; seems a little tricky to balance synapse and non-synapse stuff at that level

Well, if you don't take a Tyrant, it can be pretty OK. So: Neurothrope, x3 Brood of warriors, and a list just fills. Or if you want to go "Old school" a Big momma bug and a largish Brood of Termagants can be a very solid rock to build around. If you do take a Tyrant, you build the rest to support the Warlord, and you will have few points left.

I mean, a Reaper Flyrant is an insane melee monster that can one-shot Abaddon and fly back into security with Overrun.

But it does require a very smart play.

Also a walkrant is easy to keep alive with a the Tyrant bodyguards.

Well, today is Thanksgiving in the USA. I am grateful that Nids have not been totally boned so far....

Well, Nidvembor is over, and Decadance-vember begains. I hope it goes well for you all. I am now about 75% moved into my new place.

Merry X-mass, the day we are all grateful for Xenos, and all they bring to the galaxy.

Well Ark of Omens leaks aplenty. It looks like it will be a fun way to play, and Nids are not boned out the gate.I does look like if you want to run x2 Tyrants you need a Patrol for the second one. We will just have to see the final form of the new TOE.

Saw some changes to AoO today, and Nids got "de-boned" You don't have to use Tyrant as Warlord, don't have to have Warlord alive to use imperatives, and we can swap our Hive mods from battle to battle again. The last is one long comming. So now that things are better, I predict 10th in less than 3 months so all this means nada!

But it's nice to know, that in the dying days of 9th, GW realised how fething stupid those nerfs were.

10Th is leaking as we speak...Lol

Could you be more cryptic?

Leaks are not confirmed. But if it is leaking that means the Rule Set is just around the corner. So AoO got fixed about 3 months before a new rule set comes out. I saw several items over on Reddit.

Anybody have advice on dealing with World Eaters?

I am trying to shoot as many as possible before they make it into close combat, but even two or three models that pop the fight on death strat can take huge chunks out of things.

 Souleater wrote:
Anybody have advice on dealing with World Eaters?

I am trying to shoot as many as possible before they make it into close combat, but even two or three models that pop the fight on death strat can take huge chunks out of things.

Exocrenes are marine killers. Bring 3 and last samurai your friend's army

Acid spray Tyrannofexes are also amazing against 2W melee infantry.

Use harpy or hive crone to move block them. They cannot charge aircraft, unless they have a unit with FLY.

Will give those a try. Thanks, folks.