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I only now realized what the helmets of those old Storm Troopers reminded me of. It's the weird future army getup Q wears when he's trying to intimidate Picard the first time they meet.
Yeah, going by the face it seems GW did look at Trunchbull for inspiration.
Which is fine, but the model looks kind of generic and bland to me. I don't see why people are saying she looks like some badass veteran.
Passively standing on a pile of rubble and awkwardly holding up a badge of office with what appears to be a confused smirk does not tell me "bad ass".
It would be nice if she were pointing with the badge of office to look like she was actually commanding.
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For what it's worth, I feel like it's fine is supreme commander types aren't pointing, as any military situations where a commander is required to point to something for the grunts to go get is several pay grades down from them.
Unless it's pointing to the coffee maker for someone to catch fetch some, in which case, sure by all means point away
Billicus wrote: Ursula Creed looks like she'd have an asthma attack after taking two steps, more like.
Why? The character doesn't look overweight or out of shape based on the model. 'Big' isn't the same as 'fat'.
And you can be fat and in shape, or a martial artist.
Spoiler:
Did people ever complain about Creed's size? Man was thicccc
Of course not. He wasn't a woman. Creed's mass (or his having a face like a ham sandwich) was no problem for the loud minority because he fit their sense what a "tough" man should look like.
The predictability with which GW's female sculpts are attacked whenever they don't look like one particular representation of femininity is pretty embarrassing. Ursula has tons of character. She's a war leader, born into conflict and raised by violence. Her sculpt reflects that very ably. If anything, it's almost *too* on the nose for her character - then again, neither she nor any other of GW's characters will ever come close to the ludicrousness which are the Primarchs, and they get a free pass.
If the male Creed model came out now he'd probably cop flak for being big headed, excessively broad, and detail that is hard to discern what it is.
But for his time he was a good model. He didn't look athletic, he just has that grizzled veteran look, statuesque, rigid pose, craggy face, permanent scowl, big scar on his face, the cigar, the old trope of the angry veteran who just stands there making his troops fight harder and somehow doesn't get immediately killed for some reason
Ursula, you say "Her sculpt reflects that very ably"... I just don't see it. My Grandma looked more badass than that, God rest her soul
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Billicus wrote: Ursula Creed looks like she'd have an asthma attack after taking two steps, more like.
Why? The character doesn't look overweight or out of shape based on the model. 'Big' isn't the same as 'fat'.
And you can be fat and in shape, or a martial artist.
Spoiler:
Did people ever complain about Creed's size? Man was thicccc
Of course not. He wasn't a woman. Creed's mass (or his having a face like a ham sandwich) was no problem for the loud minority because he fit their sense what a "tough" man should look like.
The predictability with which GW's female sculpts are attacked whenever they don't look like one particular representation of femininity is pretty embarrassing. Ursula has tons of character. She's a war leader, born into conflict and raised by violence. Her sculpt reflects that very ably. If anything, it's almost *too* on the nose for her character - then again, neither she nor any other of GW's characters will ever come close to the ludicrousness which are the Primarchs, and they get a free pass.
If the male Creed model came out now he'd probably cop flak for being big headed and excessively broad.
But for his time he was a good model. He didn't look athletic, he just has that grizzled veteran look, statuesque, rigid pose, craggy face, permanent scowl, big scar on his face, the cigar, the old trope of the angry veteran who just stands there making his troops fight harder and somehow doesn't get immediately killed for some reason
Ursula, you say "Her sculpt reflects that very ably"... I just don't see it. My Grandma looked more badass than that, God rest her soul
There are a lot of conclusory statements going around about that model with no underlying details. Makes me think the people who 'love' it, love it because of the gender statement rather than any actual quality to it.
Which, I suppose is fine, but instead of being honest that they love the political position/statement, many of those people switch to the strawman that complainers must want her 'sexy' a position I've seen precisely nobody take.
Carlovonsexron wrote: For what it's worth, I feel like it's fine is supreme commander types aren't pointing, as any military situations where a commander is required to point to something for the grunts to go get is several pay grades down from them.
Unless it's pointing to the coffee maker for someone to catch fetch some, in which case, sure by all means point away
But she's meant to be leading from the front, no? Wouldn't that put her in a position where she has to point?
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caladancid wrote: There are a lot of conclusory statements going around about that model with no underlying details. Makes me think the people who 'love' it, love it because of the gender statement rather than any actual quality to it.
Which, I suppose is fine, but instead of being honest that they love the political position/statement, many of those people switch to the strawman that complainers must want her 'sexy' a position I've seen precisely nobody take.
Exactly what I was thinking, though I'll add that most people want all their "heroes" to be good looking, male and female. Look at all the high cheekbones and chiseled jaws you see on fictional officer types (even Creed to some extent, weathered by age and experience). The problem some companies run into (rightfully so) is that the female equivalent of "good-looking" is just overly-sexualized. That's why I mentioned Gina Carano. She doesn't need tight pants and a low cut shirt to look good.
I wonder if Wargames Atlantics' head options will fit on her. If so, then she'll make a fine addition to a Vostroyan army. If there's enough room on her base, I could put the Vostroyan banner bearer too
Who balances on rubble and skulls all the time though?
This feels like the start of a theme song
*music note* URSALA CREEEEEEEEED *music note*
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Carlovonsexron wrote: For what it's worth, I feel like it's fine is supreme commander types aren't pointing, as any military situations where a commander is required to point to something for the grunts to go get is several pay grades down from them.
Unless it's pointing to the coffee maker for someone to catch fetch some, in which case, sure by all means point away
Maybe Guard would have benefited from the dreaded diorama HQ treatment. We've had several artworks of bigwig commanders standing around strategy tables with advisors and serfs around them. It's perfect to keep you big bad general type leader away from the frontline and still give her something to wave her stick at.
I think that might have been more inspiring than "lone commander holding stick" and a better representation of what Guard is about.
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CthuluIsSpy wrote: Yeah, going by the face it seems GW did look at Trunchbull for inspiration.
Which is fine, but the model looks kind of generic and bland to me. I don't see why people are saying she looks like some badass veteran.
Passively standing on a pile of rubble and awkwardly holding up a badge of office with what appears to be a confused smirk does not tell me "bad ass".
It would be nice if she were pointing with the badge of office to look like she was actually commanding.
I mean, you basically just described her dad. Replace the smirk with a scowl and the badge of office with a cigar and thats literally the Usarkar E. Creed mini. But, yknow, double standards means you'll find some asanine way to justify why thats "bad ass" but its not cool when a woman does it.
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Carlovonsexron wrote: For what it's worth, I feel like it's fine is supreme commander types aren't pointing, as any military situations where a commander is required to point to something for the grunts to go get is several pay grades down from them.
Unless it's pointing to the coffee maker for someone to catch fetch some, in which case, sure by all means point away
Maybe Guard would have benefited from the dreaded diorama HQ treatment. We've had several artworks of bigwig commanders standing around strategy tables with advisors and serfs around them. It's perfect to keep you big bad general type leader away from the frontline and still give her something to wave her stick at.
I think that might have been more inspiring than "lone commander holding stick" and a better representation of what Guard is about.
While I’m not a huge fan of the diorama characters, I think you are right. Have a commander, a few adjuncts, advisors, vox-troopers, and sentries set up in an ad-hoc battlefield command center. With assorted communication and tac-ops gear scattered around.
But you would loose a lot of flexibility. Would make for a fun model though.
I'd rather any diorama character be a generic "High Command" setup rather than a faction-locked character.
Because I have zero issue with someone like Ursula being a "getting her hands dirty on the field, with minimal minders" kind of commander. That fits a bit better as a named character, adding a bit of flavor to them.
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Carlovonsexron wrote: For what it's worth, I feel like it's fine is supreme commander types aren't pointing, as any military situations where a commander is required to point to something for the grunts to go get is several pay grades down from them.
Unless it's pointing to the coffee maker for someone to catch fetch some, in which case, sure by all means point away
Maybe Guard would have benefited from the dreaded diorama HQ treatment. We've had several artworks of bigwig commanders standing around strategy tables with advisors and serfs around them. It's perfect to keep you big bad general type leader away from the frontline and still give her something to wave her stick at.
I think that might have been more inspiring than "lone commander holding stick" and a better representation of what Guard is about.
While I’m not a huge fan of the diorama characters, I think you are right. Have a commander, a few adjuncts, advisors, vox-troopers, and sentries set up in an ad-hoc battlefield command center. With assorted communication and tac-ops gear scattered around.
But you would loose a lot of flexibility. Would make for a fun model though.
I'm not big on diorama characters either, to be honest. But normal humans with second rate gear have a way of getting roflstomped and I'd rather see a wise old dude(tte) in the role of tactician than warrior. Guardsmen aren't Marines. So I'm willing to let that override my usual reservations.
Kanluwen wrote: I'd rather any diorama character be a generic "High Command" setup rather than a faction-locked character.
I'd have no issue with GW putting a lid on their Cadia fetish for one second to give us a generic, properly blingy high command squad.
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We're getting the first new Cadian models in almost a bloody decade! Scratch that, the Cadian Command Squad(the last actual Cadian release) was 2008. Just to reiterate:
2008. The rest of the Cadian plastics range(HWS+IS) were 2003/2004 era.
We've had more Commissars released than Cadian models! We've had more CATACHANS released than Cadian models! We've had more RATLINGS released than Cadian models! More Ogryn! We even had an entirely new subfaction in the form of the Tempestus before we got new Cadians!
They featured in the lore, but they sure weren't getting models.
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And we have more plastic Cadians than plastics for Valhallans, Mordians, Steel Legion, Tallarn, and so on combined, even before the coming update. Even if you throw in the recent Krieg models. Guard is awfully neglected, but within that neglect there's still blatant favoritism.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
Geifer wrote: And we have more plastic Cadians than plastics for Valhallans, Mordians, Steel Legion, Tallarn, and so on combined, even before the coming update. Even if you throw in the recent Krieg models. Guard is awfully neglected, but within that neglect there's still blatant favoritism.
We have more plastic Catachans than we have any of those too.
Billicus wrote: Ursula Creed looks like she'd have an asthma attack after taking two steps, more like.
Why? The character doesn't look overweight or out of shape based on the model. 'Big' isn't the same as 'fat'.
And you can be fat and in shape, or a martial artist.
Spoiler:
Did people ever complain about Creed's size? Man was thicccc
Of course not. He wasn't a woman. Creed's mass (or his having a face like a ham sandwich) was no problem for the loud minority because he fit their sense what a "tough" man should look like.
The predictability with which GW's female sculpts are attacked whenever they don't look like one particular representation of femininity is pretty embarrassing. Ursula has tons of character. She's a war leader, born into conflict and raised by violence. Her sculpt reflects that very ably. If anything, it's almost *too* on the nose for her character - then again, neither she nor any other of GW's characters will ever come close to the ludicrousness which are the Primarchs, and they get a free pass.
If the male Creed model came out now he'd probably cop flak for being big headed and excessively broad.
But for his time he was a good model. He didn't look athletic, he just has that grizzled veteran look, statuesque, rigid pose, craggy face, permanent scowl, big scar on his face, the cigar, the old trope of the angry veteran who just stands there making his troops fight harder and somehow doesn't get immediately killed for some reason
Ursula, you say "Her sculpt reflects that very ably"... I just don't see it. My Grandma looked more badass than that, God rest her soul
There are a lot of conclusory statements going around about that model with no underlying details. Makes me think the people who 'love' it, love it because of the gender statement rather than any actual quality to it.
Which, I suppose is fine, but instead of being honest that they love the political position/statement, many of those people switch to the strawman that complainers must want her 'sexy' a position I've seen precisely nobody take.
Complaining about strawmen while building your own strawman. That’s a new one
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Yeah, going by the face it seems GW did look at Trunchbull for inspiration. Which is fine, but the model looks kind of generic and bland to me. I don't see why people are saying she looks like some badass veteran. Passively standing on a pile of rubble and awkwardly holding up a badge of office with what appears to be a confused smirk does not tell me "bad ass". It would be nice if she were pointing with the badge of office to look like she was actually commanding.
I mean, you basically just described her dad. Replace the smirk with a scowl and the badge of office with a cigar and thats literally the Usarkar E. Creed mini. But, yknow, double standards means you'll find some asanine way to justify why thats "bad ass" but its not cool when a woman does it.
One is a 19 year old metal model made with the limitations of the time, and by no means a favorite of mine. The other is a modern sculpt that looks about as detailed as the old one and thats my problem with it.
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Geifer wrote: And we have more plastic Cadians than plastics for Valhallans, Mordians, Steel Legion, Tallarn, and so on combined, even before the coming update. Even if you throw in the recent Krieg models. Guard is awfully neglected, but within that neglect there's still blatant favoritism.
We have more plastic Catachans than we have any of those too.
So is there Catachan favoritism?
No.
Catachans have the misfortune of having been even uglier on release than Cadian were and their look is less generic. GW decided to make Cadians the poster boys and while on the model side Catachans kept up, artwork usually focuses on Cadians over any other regiment.
And let's not forget that at some point GW had the brilliant idea of making Catachans go to direct only, which in many cases made Cadians the de facto only Guardsmen you could buy at independent stores.
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CthuluIsSpy wrote: Yeah, going by the face it seems GW did look at Trunchbull for inspiration.
Which is fine, but the model looks kind of generic and bland to me. I don't see why people are saying she looks like some badass veteran.
Passively standing on a pile of rubble and awkwardly holding up a badge of office with what appears to be a confused smirk does not tell me "bad ass".
It would be nice if she were pointing with the badge of office to look like she was actually commanding.
I mean, you basically just described her dad. Replace the smirk with a scowl and the badge of office with a cigar and thats literally the Usarkar E. Creed mini. But, yknow, double standards means you'll find some asanine way to justify why thats "bad ass" but its not cool when a woman does it.
Haha you got jokes my man. Ursula would be much more "bad ass" if she was scowling and holding a cigar.
Assuming the trade setup is the same in Germany as here in the US, independent shops can order items that are tagged as "direct only"--assuming that they have a GW trade account.
Artwork focusing on the "Cadians over any other regiment" is a bit bollocks. They've reused a lot of art pieces over the years...specifically the Cadian ones since they actually held up aesthetically.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Yeah, going by the face it seems GW did look at Trunchbull for inspiration. Which is fine, but the model looks kind of generic and bland to me. I don't see why people are saying she looks like some badass veteran. Passively standing on a pile of rubble and awkwardly holding up a badge of office with what appears to be a confused smirk does not tell me "bad ass". It would be nice if she were pointing with the badge of office to look like she was actually commanding.
I mean, you basically just described her dad. Replace the smirk with a scowl and the badge of office with a cigar and thats literally the Usarkar E. Creed mini. But, yknow, double standards means you'll find some asanine way to justify why thats "bad ass" but its not cool when a woman does it.
Haha you got jokes my man. Ursula would be much more "bad ass" if she was scowling and holding a cigar.
Probably, yeah. It'll look better than "dull surprise while apparently staring at a badge of office" at least.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Yeah, going by the face it seems GW did look at Trunchbull for inspiration. Which is fine, but the model looks kind of generic and bland to me. I don't see why people are saying she looks like some badass veteran. Passively standing on a pile of rubble and awkwardly holding up a badge of office with what appears to be a confused smirk does not tell me "bad ass". It would be nice if she were pointing with the badge of office to look like she was actually commanding.
I mean, you basically just described her dad. Replace the smirk with a scowl and the badge of office with a cigar and thats literally the Usarkar E. Creed mini. But, yknow, double standards means you'll find some asanine way to justify why thats "bad ass" but its not cool when a woman does it.
"He doesn't think this bland model that's not really doing anything is badass, therefore he must be sexist" Classy.
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Kanluwen wrote: I'd rather any diorama character be a generic "High Command" setup rather than a faction-locked character.
Because I have zero issue with someone like Ursula being a "getting her hands dirty on the field, with minimal minders" kind of commander. That fits a bit better as a named character, adding a bit of flavor to them.
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It's turret is twin battle cannons which can be replaced with an even bigger gun It has a Gatling gun in the front which can be replaced by a big gun You can upgrade it to have even more guns
Ok_Entrepreneur3004 wrote:
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After chaos and daemon
A lil' more teasing from OK_E on reddit.
A vehicle larger than a Leman Russ but smaller than a baneblade, with a turret that fits 2 battlecannons, alongside a front-mounted weapon and potentially more weapons (i.e. sponsons)? That's the Macharius....
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Geifer wrote: And we have more plastic Cadians than plastics for Valhallans, Mordians, Steel Legion, Tallarn, and so on combined, even before the coming update. Even if you throw in the recent Krieg models. Guard is awfully neglected, but within that neglect there's still blatant favoritism.
We have more plastic Catachans than we have any of those too.
Kanluwen wrote: I'd rather any diorama character be a generic "High Command" setup rather than a faction-locked character.
Because I have zero issue with someone like Ursula being a "getting her hands dirty on the field, with minimal minders" kind of commander. That fits a bit better as a named character, adding a bit of flavor to them.
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It's turret is twin battle cannons which can be replaced with an even bigger gun It has a Gatling gun in the front which can be replaced by a big gun You can upgrade it to have even more guns
Ok_Entrepreneur3004 wrote:
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2 hours ago
After chaos and daemon
A lil' more teasing from OK_E on reddit.
A vehicle larger than a Leman Russ but smaller than a baneblade, with a turret that fits 2 battlecannons, alongside a front-mounted weapon and potentially more weapons (i.e. sponsons)? That's the Macharius....
Exactly what I was thinking. I've got a couple in resin but I wouldn't say no to a plastic variant. To be honest I'd give anything just to have rules that make my Forge World tanks vaguely competitive, I'm looking at you, Malcadors! Speaking of which, I can only dream of plastic Malcadors...
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