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ok, they look good and should be easily converted to other regiments

yet we miss infantry matching the riders and if you actually want that theme

It feels like a big missed opportunity to not have different regiment options for all new units coming

These are goofy in the best way possible. 10/10. Really hoping these come similar to an Ogryns/bullgryns duality in that there is alternative gear for the steed and rider too make Kreig or something

Hmm, I'm not feeling the Rough Riders.

Not sure if I'll give them a headswap or just end up converting my own from Pistoliers.

Was really hoping for kreig death riders. Gess I'll keep waiting

There's enough in the lower portion of the rider to make me think a Krieg alternate/upgrade set may come at some point. I doubt there's enough sprue space for an alternate horse which is the true crux that makes it unlikely it is a dual Krieg set unless the Krieg horse had a redesign, and the hooves and head swap, and the tail can be removed.

For the rider to be Krieg it would be different torso and head, the arms and legs would be fine for Krieg.

At least for Death Riders, a head swap isn’t too far away.
Having said that. There are a lot of 3D prints about that are great.

I agree with all the counter points that were made, still on an emotional level I like these.
Also while the torso looks a bit stiff it looks like it will be easy to swap with the torsos of older sets (old Cadians, Catachans, Scions, Genesetal akolytes...) and also Anvil Industry, Mad Robot and Victoria Miniatures.

Hell yeah Rough Riders! I'm not loving the heads, but everything else is great and stupid in the best way. I'd agree that a Krieg conversion seems pretty easy; except for the furry gloves it's just a headswap.

I'm loving the Rough Riders, fantastic sculpts. They are up there with Vostroyans for me in terms of being "inspired by a mish-mash of real world stuff while standing alone as a distinct and unique take on grimdark humanity" (as opposed to the other IG ranges which are overwhelmingly "these are literally just xyz from the real world with an Aquila pasted over them"). I also really appreciate the fact that while they come as being distinctly "Attilan", it looks like a simple headswap will make them fit in nicely with just about any other regiment/aesthetic you can imagine (gas mask heads for DKoK might be a bit of a challenge).

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Weird models. Why do the horses wear bed sheets? I know it's Halloween soon, but I thought the models were supposed to be of use all year around.

Ballistic cloth barding, probably.

Hmm, not a bad thought I guess. But if that's the sculptor's intention, I'm not convinced. The cloth doesn't look ballisticky at all.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Today when I have first seen the tiny image caption online, I thought it was Warhammer old world minis.

Not feeling these at all.

Yeah, my first thought was Bretonnians. That had me confused for a little while.

The Attillan riders look like they might be riffing on Jes Goodwin's "universal Guard equipment" concepts shown in 'The Gothic and the Eldritch':

https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/2008/3/9/42ef31b24ef5ab859cf76d36af9683f2_518.jpg__thumb

(Thanks Kid Kyoto for the review)

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Andykp wrote:


But they won’t ever admit that, Because if you alter the waist of a model to unnatural angles what’s the point of having a model at all!!

I don't think torso twists was ever the point of separate torsos and legs. Instead it was so different torsos can be put on different legs. So with Catachans (for example) you could make a coherent looking unit of charging bezerkers with all running legs and bare chests, and a shooting unit with standing legs and jackets.

The Cadians were a lot more uniform but once you added the command sprue you had tunics, chests with medals, and other options to mix with various legs.

And of course with marines you had all sorts of armor marks and leg poses to use.

There are disadvantages to separate torsos and legs, but the ability to mix and match was the big thing.

And just because Andykp can't help but put them at unnatural angles doesn't mean everybody is equally bad.

What he is saying GW should dump down kits so that the 0.01% who are so bad that make them at unnatural angles don't do while remaining 99.99% have to suffer inferior modularity.

Make kit for lowest denominator so everybody gets inferior modularity. Just because some people are bad at assembling.

Put your thumb over the Attilan head, and combined with the body wearing a greatcoat, leads me to believe this box will have Krieg heads (and probably Cadian ones as well)

There's definitely enough Cadian and Krieg heads in there for me to think that both head options will be in it.

As for horse gas masks, the AdMech dogs have different heads and the riders have different arms and heads.

It'll be interesting to see if the more generic option in Cadian style get special weapons, or if the bits that gave you options in the AdMech kit just give you two more horses in this one.

One of the leakers from earlier this year specifically said there is no unit entry for deathriders in the codex. If the kit does come with alternative heads then they'll be just a cosmetic option.

Also, with rough riders coming back, it opens up the door for kitbashing your own again, and being able to legally field them!

There are tons of great cavalry kits out there, from GW and other companies...

Great times for modeling and playing guard!

tneva82 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Andykp wrote:


But they won’t ever admit that, Because if you alter the waist of a model to unnatural angles what’s the point of having a model at all!!

I don't think torso twists was ever the point of separate torsos and legs. Instead it was so different torsos can be put on different legs. So with Catachans (for example) you could make a coherent looking unit of charging bezerkers with all running legs and bare chests, and a shooting unit with standing legs and jackets.

The Cadians were a lot more uniform but once you added the command sprue you had tunics, chests with medals, and other options to mix with various legs.

And of course with marines you had all sorts of armor marks and leg poses to use.

There are disadvantages to separate torsos and legs, but the ability to mix and match was the big thing.

And just because Andykp can't help but put them at unnatural angles doesn't mean everybody is equally bad.

What he is saying GW should dump down kits so that the 0.01% who are so bad that make them at unnatural angles don't do while remaining 99.99% have to suffer inferior modularity.

Make kit for lowest denominator so everybody gets inferior modularity. Just because some people are bad at assembling.

wounded!


Back to the horses, not wowed but wasn’t ever a fan of attilans, but all the head swap talk gives me hope and ideas. Look like they will be a yes from me with some work.

Just realised it is a full helmet with the fur ring attached, as opposed to them being separate parts. Weird design, sort of like it, very 40k impractical though.

tneva82 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Andykp wrote:


But they won’t ever admit that, Because if you alter the waist of a model to unnatural angles what’s the point of having a model at all!!

I don't think torso twists was ever the point of separate torsos and legs. Instead it was so different torsos can be put on different legs. So with Catachans (for example) you could make a coherent looking unit of charging bezerkers with all running legs and bare chests, and a shooting unit with standing legs and jackets.

The Cadians were a lot more uniform but once you added the command sprue you had tunics, chests with medals, and other options to mix with various legs.

And of course with marines you had all sorts of armor marks and leg poses to use.

There are disadvantages to separate torsos and legs, but the ability to mix and match was the big thing.

And just because Andykp can't help but put them at unnatural angles doesn't mean everybody is equally bad.

What he is saying GW should dump down kits so that the 0.01% who are so bad that make them at unnatural angles don't do while remaining 99.99% have to suffer inferior modularity.

Make kit for lowest denominator so everybody gets inferior modularity. Just because some people are bad at assembling.

The point is that within the full 360 degree field of possible rotation there is only a tiny sliver that is truly natural; probably within about 06:25 to 06:35 if you treat the torso as the face of a clock, and the bounds of that are still pushing it.

Same thing for "poseable" arms for rifle weapons. They usually have one position where they look natural; you're able to crank them up or down, but you're almost inevitably going to get a godawful pose out of doing it.

Feel free to post your old Cadians, tneva82. Let's see the results of those powerful aesthetics instead of taking your word for them.

Just happened to watch Sodaz' death korps of krieg video on youtube, the horses in that are more similar to the new horses as opposed to the forgeworld horses. I'm more into the idea that those horses can work with the coat/drape thing for Krieg now.

Hmm they dont look great tbh, I think the Victoria Miniatures conversion kit is still the way to go.
But at least Rough Riders are back wooo!

I must say, the weapon rules seem sick.

I hope they have an option for commander on horse.. the inclusion of cavalry specific dkok orders is great as the current set of orders aren’t really great for the melee specific Calvary. I see in the video they have at least a sergeant on horse option though so there might be more to this kit.

So, having removed the models from every regiment other than Cadia, GW now gives us Attilan Rough Riders.

I get that they're a thing but their aesthetics look completely out of place next to the other guardsmen. And not in a positive 'we're out own regiment' sort of way but instead in a 'we're from an entirely different army/game system' way.

Even taken on their own, I'm not fond of them. Their outfits look janky, they have more saddlebags than a merchant caravan, and their horses look moments away from tripping over their stupid skirts.

Big miss for me, I'm afraid.

Maybe the reason the torsos look a bit stiff is because they are separate?

And being separate, there are other torsos on the sprue, say for death riders?

It would seem a little odd that they only make one type of unit from the box.

From Mordian Glory's live on Youtube.
These are semi-verified rumors, indiscretion from playtesters, info that he got from at least two sources. So probably reliable unless last minute changes had been made from the playtest documents.

Leman Russ new stats :

* Chassis : still moves 10" and T8, save 2+, but now has wounds count of 13, and 5 attacks in combat (still 6+ to hit).
They are all BS4+, but turret weapons get +1 to hit.

* Demolisher cannon : same as now, heavy D6, but damage upgraded D3+3.
* Nova Cannon : heavy D6+3, damage 2, ignores light cover, rest unchanged.
* executioner : STR 8, AP-4, damage 3, and always on overcharge.
* exterminator : heavy 6, STR 8, AP-2, damage 2.
* battlecannon : heavy D6+3, STR 8, AP-2, damage 3.
* punisher : heavy 20, STR 6, AP-1.
* Vanquisher : heavy 1, STR 14, AP-4, damage D3+6, ignores invulnerables, D3 additional mortal wounds.


There is more bits from the live, but I have to go to sleep.

 Hellebore wrote:
Maybe the reason the torsos look a bit stiff is because they are separate?

The original metal Attilans had separate torsos, and still managed to lean forward and over the lance, rather than being bolt upright. The straight back would be perfect for, say, Mordian or Praetorian rough riders, but looks a bit weird here.

Other than that, I like them... it's an interesting update that adds a bit more of a scifi vibe to them without completely losing the original theme.

 insaniak wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
Maybe the reason the torsos look a bit stiff is because they are separate?

The original metal Attilans had separate torsos, and still managed to lean forward and over the lance, rather than being bolt upright. The straight back would be perfect for, say, Mordian or Praetorian rough riders, but looks a bit weird here.

Other than that, I like them... it's an interesting update that adds a bit more of a scifi vibe to them without completely losing the original theme.

Yes but as I said in the rest of my post, there COULD be other torsos on the sprue for death riders, and the waists would have to match for both. So IF that were true then they've done them all in parade ground fashion so the death riders don't look hunched.

all supposition, but they look like separate parts which is unusual for GW these days.

feugan wrote:
The Attillan riders look like they might be riffing on Jes Goodwin's "universal Guard equipment" concepts shown in 'The Gothic and the Eldritch':

https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/2008/3/9/42ef31b24ef5ab859cf76d36af9683f2_518.jpg__thumb

(Thanks Kid Kyoto for the review)

Interesting! Well-spotted!

It's literallly the norm for cavalry models of late?
All of the Lumineth cavalry has their torsos separate, the new Sylvaneth cavalry too.

Really not seeing the riders looking "stiff" though. Looks about right for someone on a horse that's clearing an obstacle.