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**GaroRobe**

Actually rest in peace Yarrick, according to Valrak. He really should have been the one to die "killing" Ghazghkull, not Ragnar.

**Garrac**

I really thought that if Yarrick died, it would have been in an event like Arks of Omen.

**His Master's Voice**

So did Yarrick manage the impossible feat of "Commissar dying of old age"?

What a legend.

**Kid_Kyoto**

His Master's Voice wrote:
So did Yarrick manage the impossible feat of "Commissar dying of old age"?

What a legend.

So who wants to put money on whether we'll see Dreadnought Yarrick, Yarrick Jr. or a legion of Yarrick clones?

**Stormonu**

Aren't dreadnoughts reserved for Space Marines?

Though some sort of enshrinement for Yarrick would be cool.

And I'm all for IG aspect warriors - specialist loadouts like a jump pack unit (Eagles?), melta squads (Talons?), exosuits (???), snipers (Shadows?) and such.

**GaroRobe**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
His Master's Voice wrote:
So did Yarrick manage the impossible feat of "Commissar dying of old age"?

What a legend.

So who wants to put money on whether we'll see Dreadnought Yarrick, Yarrick Jr. or a legion of Yarrick clones?

Ok, so here's what I was musing on the other day.

What if they release Yarrick but he's a baneblade upgrade sprue? It gives you all the ornamentation to create Yarrick's favorite ride, with Yarrick posed at the top. But he's kind of fused to it now, with all these wires and medical equipment keeping him alive. That way we get an old yarrick, who is still alive, and is lore friendly (since he has his own tank), but isn't a dying old man slogging it out on the ground

**Mr_Rose**

Stormonu wrote:
Aren't dreadnoughts reserved for Space Marines?.

Nope, that’s Land Raiders.
Dreadnoughts have been used by baseline humans before, but usually the most elite ultra-wealthy because not only do you have to know the technology exists, you have to buy one then convince two tech-priests that their time is best spent interring you.
Space Marines are the only ones to do it on the regular because they are also the only group to have all the relevant equipment and expertise in one place.
Also, for a normal human this isn’t something you can do while mortally wounded and barely hanging on like a Marine; you have to be functioning and mostly uninjured or you will almost definitely die before they can get the first plugs installed…

**Gadzilla666**

So, they actually did kill off Yarrick? Off screen? That is beyond lame. That should have been handled in a full BL novel. He's way too much of an important character to just be written off in a single page in a codex.

**xttz**

Is he killed off in the same way as Eldrad or Guilliman?

**Dudeface**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
So, they actually did kill off Yarrick? Off screen? That is beyond lame. That should have been handled in a full BL novel. He's way too much of an important character to just be written off in a single page in a codex.

He still might be yet, never say never.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
So, they actually did kill off Yarrick? Off screen? That is beyond lame. That should have been handled in a full BL novel. He's way too much of an important character to just be written off in a single page in a codex.

Not that I know of but the reports are he's out of the 2022 Codex, and well his fluff for the last 200 years had been old man too stubborn to die.

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Stormonu wrote:

Though some sort of enshrinement for Yarrick would be cool.

Oh I like that one, something like the crazy pilgrims from the Brettonian line who carried around a dead knight and his horse's skeleton.

I could totally get behind that.

**Kanluwen**

I'd rather that route for Macharius or Ollanius Pius.

**Rihgu**

That's basically exactly what the Triumph of St. Katherine is, right? Maybe we should give every Imperial faction one.

**EviscerationPlague**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
EviscerationPlague wrote:
The artifical difference is to sell more codices and nothing less. Out of anyone on this forum, I didn't think you'd fall for that marketing trap.
1. I don't think the difference is artificial. Differences between factions is good.
2. I don't think it's a marketing trap. I don't think they want their factions to be entirely homogenised.
3. Actual marketing traps - like the separation of Daemons from CSM - are obvious to spot.

Specific details - like MMs on Primaris vehicles - are just the (un)natural result of linear design ethos. BTs get MMs on their floaty tanks because the model team made a specific sprue for them and did it after the tanks were already made for everyone else. If it were a generic sprue, come the next book they'd all get it, but it's not, so either they never get it, or a new sprue gets made for Marines and the cost of all their floaty tanks goes up by 10%.

1. Differences between factions is good. It's not a faction if you share 95% of your units, it's a ploy to sell more codices or supplements
2. Consolidation is good when the primary difference between a faction is one gets crazy Marines and the other gets wolfy Marines. End the nonsense.
3. Soooooo somehow Daemons and CSM being separated is a marketing trap but buying a different Marine codex to use a few different models is not? Yeah, that's not how it works.

Also it doesn't matter WHAT your excuse for Black Templar is. The point is just their floaty tanks have it, and it's an artificial difference that shouldn't be there. However, it is, and it's a ploy to sell more books and create very artificial differences, like Blood Angels only having Heavy Flamers in their Tactical Squads instead of Salamanders, or the fact Blood Angels didn't have the Stormtalon for the longest time under the assumption that, for whatever reason, Blood and NONE of their Successors ever had it at any time.

At some point you need to start questioning and not just go "but tradition". Traditionally GW didn't even do market research.

**Haighus**

GaroRobe wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
His Master's Voice wrote:
So did Yarrick manage the impossible feat of "Commissar dying of old age"?

What a legend.

So who wants to put money on whether we'll see Dreadnought Yarrick, Yarrick Jr. or a legion of Yarrick clones?

Ok, so here's what I was musing on the other day.

What if they release Yarrick but he's a baneblade upgrade sprue? It gives you all the ornamentation to create Yarrick's favorite ride, with Yarrick posed at the top. But he's kind of fused to it now, with all these wires and medical equipment keeping him alive. That way we get an old yarrick, who is still alive, and is lore friendly (since he has his own tank), but isn't a dying old man slogging it out on the ground

This would be great.

To be fair, Yarrick would almost certainly qualify for rejuvenat treatment and this keeps humans healthy and active into their 4th century of life, at least. His age is still within the bounds of plausible for high-ranking Imperial officials.

**EviscerationPlague**

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Lots of strawmanning going on there, but you have quite a lot of it wrong.

Veteren assaults squads pre-date sword brethren. Veteren assault squads had their name changed to vanguard vets, that is all, and at some point after that the options expanded even further in terms of upgrades of weapons.

Sword brethren didn't show up until the 4th edition black templar codex (they are not in codex armageddon - veteran assault squads are in the blood angel codex supplement though) Sword brethren were just the black templars name for veterans, terminator squads were also called sword brethren.

So no, sword brethren were not the archetype for vanguard vets. Space marine veteran (including the precursors to sternguard and vanguard squads) and terminator squads were the archetype for sword brethren. And yes, space marine veteran squads are pretty cool. Interestingly enough, veteran assault squads were locked to blood angels from 2nd edition until 4th/5th edition when they entered the main marine codex (this could be when the name changed to vanguard vets also).

Please don't make up or skew the facts or history of the game to bash GW and people that consume its products. Theres actually plenty of legitimate reasons you could do that, there's no need to make things up.

Just as a last point, certain marine chapters have had their own codex, and their own specific history of specialised squads since second edition. Tradition in the game holds as big a spot for this, rather than it being a marketing trap to make more money.

And yet a bunch of Black Templar players were mad that Sword Brethren weren't around, despite the fact there was almost no differences to Vanguard. You're more proving my point, thanks.

Also nobody should care about tradition, because that holds back game design and better writing. Traditionally the game has been IGOUGO, and that's incredibly outdated for a wargame isn't it? It's also tradition that you and your opponent should roll off to settle a rules disagreement. Traditions are something to question, not blindly follow.

**Haighus**

Mr_Rose wrote:
Stormonu wrote:
Aren't dreadnoughts reserved for Space Marines?.

Nope, that’s Land Raiders.
Dreadnoughts have been used by baseline humans before, but usually the most elite ultra-wealthy because not only do you have to know the technology exists, you have to buy one then convince two tech-priests that their time is best spent interring you.
Space Marines are the only ones to do it on the regular because they are also the only group to have all the relevant equipment and expertise in one place.
Also, for a normal human this isn’t something you can do while mortally wounded and barely hanging on like a Marine; you have to be functioning and mostly uninjured or you will almost definitely die before they can get the first plugs installed…

Going from the Old Man of Armageddon to the Old Kan of Armageddon would be pretty funny. The orks would approve

**gungo**

Garrac wrote:
I really thought that if Yarrick died, it would have been in an event like Arks of Omen.

I fully expect a short lore story in the new edition about yarrick dying on armeggedon while fighting off Angron…
I’m glad ghaz didn’t kill yarrik… ghaz had the opportunity before and let yarrik live because ghaz said yarrik was the only human worth fighting… he respected yarrik…

Angron is all but confirmed to be returning and lore wise he’s obsessed with ulnor (armeggedon) so just like bastonne I expect to read about yarricks last stand.. to be fair yarrick is ancient by human standards he was old even when he arrived to armeggedon during the second war… and we are about to get into the 4th war now.

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Haighus wrote:
GaroRobe wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
His Master's Voice wrote:
So did Yarrick manage the impossible feat of "Commissar dying of old age"?

What a legend.

So who wants to put money on whether we'll see Dreadnought Yarrick, Yarrick Jr. or a legion of Yarrick clones?

Ok, so here's what I was musing on the other day.

What if they release Yarrick but he's a baneblade upgrade sprue? It gives you all the ornamentation to create Yarrick's favorite ride, with Yarrick posed at the top. But he's kind of fused to it now, with all these wires and medical equipment keeping him alive. That way we get an old yarrick, who is still alive, and is lore friendly (since he has his own tank), but isn't a dying old man slogging it out on the ground

This would be great.

To be fair, Yarrick would almost certainly qualify for rejuvenat treatment and this keeps humans healthy and active into their 4th century of life, at least. His age is still within the bounds of plausible for high-ranking Imperial officials.

The issue is yarrik is well beyond his 4th century… he was old during the second war for armeggedon and we are about to enter the 4th war…

Yarrick is the oldest guard special character. Sadly next is nork dedog. He’s the last 2nd Ed character still alive.

**Voss**

Angron is all but confirmed to be returning

Well. Actually confirmed, with a WarCom article and pics.

**Mr_Rose**

Haighus wrote:
Mr_Rose wrote:
Stormonu wrote:
Aren't dreadnoughts reserved for Space Marines?.

Nope, that’s Land Raiders.
Dreadnoughts have been used by baseline humans before, but usually the most elite ultra-wealthy because not only do you have to know the technology exists, you have to buy one then convince two tech-priests that their time is best spent interring you.
Space Marines are the only ones to do it on the regular because they are also the only group to have all the relevant equipment and expertise in one place.
Also, for a normal human this isn’t something you can do while mortally wounded and barely hanging on like a Marine; you have to be functioning and mostly uninjured or you will almost definitely die before they can get the first plugs installed…

Going from the Old Man of Armageddon to the Old Kan of Armageddon would be pretty funny. The orks would approve

Oh can you imagine? Give him one of the original tiny dreadnoughts from Rogue Trader then grunge it up with bolted on armour, Ork style. Not enough to compromise the Imperial aesthetic but enough that the Boyz can know and fear who’s coming for them. Better if his laser-eye turns into a lascannon.

**Shakalooloo**

Yarrick can't die because Ghazghkull won't let 'im. And the Prophet of the Waaagh has enough Orky "belief = reality" to keep the old man running.

**Haighus**

gungo wrote:

Haighus wrote:
GaroRobe wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
His Master's Voice wrote:
So did Yarrick manage the impossible feat of "Commissar dying of old age"?

What a legend.

So who wants to put money on whether we'll see Dreadnought Yarrick, Yarrick Jr. or a legion of Yarrick clones?

Ok, so here's what I was musing on the other day.

What if they release Yarrick but he's a baneblade upgrade sprue? It gives you all the ornamentation to create Yarrick's favorite ride, with Yarrick posed at the top. But he's kind of fused to it now, with all these wires and medical equipment keeping him alive. That way we get an old yarrick, who is still alive, and is lore friendly (since he has his own tank), but isn't a dying old man slogging it out on the ground

This would be great.

To be fair, Yarrick would almost certainly qualify for rejuvenat treatment and this keeps humans healthy and active into their 4th century of life, at least. His age is still within the bounds of plausible for high-ranking Imperial officials.

The issue is yarrik is well beyond his 4th century… he was old during the second war for armeggedon and we are about to enter the 4th war…

Yarrick is the oldest guard special character. Sadly next is nork dedog. He’s the last 2nd Ed character still alive.

Based on what? The current timeline ends at ~012.M42 under current canon, IIRC, making it ~70 years from the Second War for Armageddon. We don't know how old Yarrick actually was before Ghaz invaded, but he was not a celebrated hero before the defence of Hades hive and unlikely to have had any significant access to rejuvenat treatments. It is highly likely he was less than 100 years old, so he is probably less than 200 at the end of the current timeline. Even with the pre-retcon timespan of 100 years for the Indomitus crusade, Yarrick would probably be less than 300.

If anyone has any more concrete figures, I'd like to know.

**EviscerationPlague**

It shouldn't matter if Yarrick died or not. Corbels is dead and you can run him besides Primaris units.

**Mentlegen324**

Shakalooloo wrote:
Yarrick can't die because Ghazghkull won't let 'im. And the Prophet of the Waaagh has enough Orky "belief = reality" to keep the old man running.

The "Ork Belief = Reality" isn't actually a thing like that at all.

Yarrick is even the most obvious example of how it isn't, because Orks believed he could kill them just by glaring - he couldn't actually and they didn't just fall dead when he did that, so he went and got a laser eye fitted.

**GaroRobe**

EviscerationPlague wrote:
It shouldn't matter if Yarrick died or not. Corbels is dead and you can run him besides Primaris units.

It matters if they remove the option. There are dead characters in 40k (quite a few if you count Gaunt's Ghosts), but most of them are no longer playable. Given that 40k is a setting though, you would think they'd be okay with a lot more dead characters floating around.

Heck, WFH was full of dead characters. Azhag, Gorbad allegedly, Grom, King Alrik, etc were all dead before the End Times ever happened, but there was no issue running them

**Tastyfish**

I dunno, you've got compatible rules for Yarrick already (and War Comm is doing historical battles for the Heresy and Necromunda, so an update could come there).

I'm hoping he dies peacefully in his garden after hearing that Blackmane has slain Ghazghkull. His duty over, his work complete.
(it'd also fit with Ghazghkull keeping him alive as a nemesis. A brief interruption and then a new focus.)

**Shakalooloo**

Mentlegen324 wrote:
Shakalooloo wrote:
Yarrick can't die because Ghazghkull won't let 'im. And the Prophet of the Waaagh has enough Orky "belief = reality" to keep the old man running.

The "Ork Belief = Reality" isn't actually a thing like that at all.

Yarrick is even the most obvious example of how it isn't, because Orks believed he could kill them just by glaring - he couldn't actually and they didn't just fall dead when he did that, so he went and got a laser eye fitted.

Just because it didn't DIRECTLY cause it doesn't mean it wasn't the cause - da orks believed Yarrick could kill with a glance, he got a laser eye fitted BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED IT, and their belief was vindicated!

Same way the Imperium may pump Yarrick full of life-extending bionics just to use him as a rallying point figurehead against Ghazghkull, which is just wot da orks want!

**gungo**

Haighus wrote:
gungo wrote:

Haighus wrote:
GaroRobe wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
His Master's Voice wrote:
So did Yarrick manage the impossible feat of "Commissar dying of old age"?

What a legend.

So who wants to put money on whether we'll see Dreadnought Yarrick, Yarrick Jr. or a legion of Yarrick clones?

Ok, so here's what I was musing on the other day.

What if they release Yarrick but he's a baneblade upgrade sprue? It gives you all the ornamentation to create Yarrick's favorite ride, with Yarrick posed at the top. But he's kind of fused to it now, with all these wires and medical equipment keeping him alive. That way we get an old yarrick, who is still alive, and is lore friendly (since he has his own tank), but isn't a dying old man slogging it out on the ground

This would be great.

To be fair, Yarrick would almost certainly qualify for rejuvenat treatment and this keeps humans healthy and active into their 4th century of life, at least. His age is still within the bounds of plausible for high-ranking Imperial officials.

The issue is yarrik is well beyond his 4th century… he was old during the second war for armeggedon and we are about to enter the 4th war…

Yarrick is the oldest guard special character. Sadly next is nork dedog. He’s the last 2nd Ed character still alive.

Based on what? The current timeline ends at ~012.M42 under current canon, IIRC, making it ~70 years from the Second War for Armageddon. We don't know how old Yarrick actually was before Ghaz invaded, but he was not a celebrated hero before the defence of Hades hive and unlikely to have had any significant access to rejuvenat treatments. It is highly likely he was less than 100 years old, so he is probably less than 200 at the end of the current timeline. Even with the pre-retcon timespan of 100 years for the Indomitus crusade, Yarrick would probably be less than 300.

If anyone has any more concrete figures, I'd like to know.

He was already old man yarrik in the second war which happened @ 941.M41 The Second War for Armageddon…
The current timeline which is during the indomitus crusade is 111.M42…
012.M42 was the plague wars with the big nurgle releases…
That is 170+ years between and the next edition (starting with arcs of omen) is already past this..
so he is probably not quite 400 but close to it..

**Kid_Kyoto**

Someone on Facebook is reporting Yarrick is killed in a footnote in the new codex.

Sigh...

**Gadzilla666**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Someone on Facebook is reporting Yarrick is killed in a footnote in the new codex.

Sigh...

Yeah that's what my post was in reference to. Valrak made a video about it. Apparently the footnote includes a picture of Yarrick's skull (according to Valrak's source, at least).