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 BrookM wrote:

Ancient Otter wrote:
Are there enough parts on this to cover the Veteran Guard kill team roster with this with this and 2 regular Cadian boxes?

Only things missing are a sniper rifle, boltgun, plasma pistol and demolition charge from the top of my head. Most other roles can easily be represented by the parts provided in the upgrade kit.

I think the arm in the upgrade sprue holding a crate combined with the boltcutters is a reasonable facsimile for a demolitions expert, but it would be best to pinch the parts from the Kasrkin sprue.

You know what make a good improvised explosive?

A can of fuel. The kit has got you covered

Sprue looks nice enough, but I feel like I am the only person who thinks that for the price GW charges for things, it should just be in the damned baseline kit. If its priced in any way similar to the primaris upgrades, it will be 25-30$ just to glam up your squad a bit. I like all the bits on it, but it just seems a bit costly considering they are likely going to be asking 50$ for just the regular Cadian kit.

I suppose my complaints will be rescinded if it turns out much cheaper than expected.

The Kasrkin box had 13 spare respirators IIRC. One could mix those with the new respirator heads.

M.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Is that Lt. Mira head top row #5?

No, it isn't.

 kurhanik wrote:
Sprue looks nice enough, but I feel like I am the only person who thinks that for the price GW charges for things, it should just be in the damned baseline kit. If its priced in any way similar to the primaris upgrades, it will be 25-30$ just to glam up your squad a bit. I like all the bits on it, but it just seems a bit costly considering they are likely going to be asking 50$ for just the regular Cadian kit.

I suppose my complaints will be rescinded if it turns out much cheaper than expected.

In the leaked picture the box has GBP 15 scribbled on it. Seems your guess is about right.

As for the price and value, I'm sure you're not alone to think so. But it's not realistic to expect anything less than bonkers prices from GW, so it's easy to move past that and just talk about the actual product. Not much point in discussing what we can by and large agree on.

 kurhanik wrote:
Sprue looks nice enough, but I feel like I am the only person who thinks that for the price GW charges for things, it should just be in the damned baseline kit. If its priced in any way similar to the primaris upgrades, it will be 25-30$ just to glam up your squad a bit. I like all the bits on it, but it just seems a bit costly considering they are likely going to be asking 50$ for just the regular Cadian kit.

I suppose my complaints will be rescinded if it turns out much cheaper than expected.

Do all guard players really need one of these upgrade sprues for every guarsdman squad though? Unlike the marine version the sprue is full of stuff that you'd probably only want to include once or twice per army to avoid repetition (I'm avoiding the dreaded m-word here!), leaving a lot of excess bits that will never be used.

Would have been nice to include one of these in the combat patrol box though.

Would have like it when i did my gaurd army, 10 years ago.

This might sound like a really dumb question but is this cadian upgrade sprue compatible with the old cadian troops? Or is it only designed to fit with the new shock troops?

I've not seen the new cadians in real life yet so I'm not sure if scale creep means this sprue won't size well with the older plastic bits.


Helped my mum clean out the shed for a garage sale and found 92 old cadian troops all unassembled so I'm hoping the new sprue might give me hope one day to complete them

Noticeably different in proportions and scale.

The_Real_Chris wrote:
It's nice - but honestly, they should have packaged it with the squad. I know retailers who would love it if they would cut down their SKUs and package things up together...

For what they charge the squad set should come with a heavy weapon team, and this sprue, and a bottle of plastic cement.


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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Not a guard player, but I do love upgrade kits. Let's the players who want their cheap & basic models get them, while players who want to invest for customized models can do that too. Everyone wins!

Oh tell me where to find those cheap and basic models, I'd like to get some!


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 skeleton wrote:
Would have like it when i did my gaurd army, 10 years ago.

All the exaults. This is 10-20 years overdue.

I should be deliriously happy about the new IG but I'm just not. Between the daft limitations in the rules, losing several converted squads and of course the eye-stabbing prices, I'm just not.

Not that any of that stopped my from buying Cadia Stands, but it is definitely stopping me from like actually taking anything off of the sprue or painting it.

 kurhanik wrote:
Sprue looks nice enough, but I feel like I am the only person who thinks that for the price GW charges for things, it should just be in the damned baseline kit. If its priced in any way similar to the primaris upgrades, it will be 25-30$ just to glam up your squad a bit. I like all the bits on it, but it just seems a bit costly considering they are likely going to be asking 50$ for just the regular Cadian kit. I suppose my complaints will be rescinded if it turns out much cheaper than expected.

Tricky balance. Personally, as someone who like as many options as possible, I like the fact that upgrade sprues exist. There's limited space on a sprue, and including extra sprues increases the cost of the box.

Having a separate upgrade sprue keeps things cheaper for people who are primarily gamers, while giving more optional variety for people who are primarily hobbyists. It also allows for really visually distinct things that you probably only ever want one of (like a really distinctive/unique head/gesture) to exist.

JWBS wrote:
Noticeably different in proportions and scale.

Ok thank you for the info, that helps me out

lost_lilliputian wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Noticeably different in proportions and scale.

Ok thank you for the info, that helps me out

It's mostly apparent in the size of the head, there are some good comparision pics floating around like e.g. this one:




Source: https://taleofpainters.com/2022/11/scale-comparison-new-plastic-cadian-shock-troops/

You might get away with putting new heads on all the old models without looking too out of place.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:
It's nice - but honestly, they should have packaged it with the squad. I know retailers who would love it if they would cut down their SKUs and package things up together...

For what they charge the squad set should come with a heavy weapon team, and this sprue, and a bottle of plastic cement.

Yes at times you do wish they had professional product people in the company. Other companies routinely repackage items together to increase sales, adding the old heavy weapon squad into the old squad box would have been a way to boost sales for a year before the new sets came out.

Tsagualsa wrote:

lost_lilliputian wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Noticeably different in proportions and scale.

Ok thank you for the info, that helps me out

It's mostly apparent in the size of the head, there are some good comparision pics floating around like e.g. this one:

You might get away with putting new heads on all the old models without looking too out of place.

Wow that is quite a difference! Thank you for the pic, good idea with the heads too.

I've got things to think about now for sure

The_Real_Chris wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:
It's nice - but honestly, they should have packaged it with the squad. I know retailers who would love it if they would cut down their SKUs and package things up together...

For what they charge the squad set should come with a heavy weapon team, and this sprue, and a bottle of plastic cement.

Yes at times you do wish they had professional product people in the company. Other companies routinely repackage items together to increase sales, adding the old heavy weapon squad into the old squad box would have been a way to boost sales for a year before the new sets came out.

For a long time Brood Brothers were the best way to build up your IG force.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:
It's nice - but honestly, they should have packaged it with the squad. I know retailers who would love it if they would cut down their SKUs and package things up together...

For what they charge the squad set should come with a heavy weapon team, and this sprue, and a bottle of plastic cement.

Yes at times you do wish they had professional product people in the company. Other companies routinely repackage items together to increase sales, adding the old heavy weapon squad into the old squad box would have been a way to boost sales for a year before the new sets came out.

For a long time Brood Brothers were the best way to build up your IG force.

Stuff like the old 'mobile infantry' boxes where they just stuffed a tac squad and a rhino together were great too, who cares if the rhino has last editions accessory sprue.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Not a guard player, but I do love upgrade kits. Let's the players who want their cheap & basic models get them, while players who want to invest for customized models can do that too. Everyone wins!

Oh tell me where to find those cheap and basic models, I'd like to get some!
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Wargames Atlantic?

Bonus in that at least their Deathfields range is pretty compatible with the old Cadians at least, and with the new Traitor Guard kit from my experience. Their historical kits too, though the weapons (and arms to an extent) will look a bit awkwardly large on them.

Apologist wrote:

 kurhanik wrote:
Sprue looks nice enough, but I feel like I am the only person who thinks that for the price GW charges for things, it should just be in the damned baseline kit. If its priced in any way similar to the primaris upgrades, it will be 25-30$ just to glam up your squad a bit. I like all the bits on it, but it just seems a bit costly considering they are likely going to be asking 50$ for just the regular Cadian kit. I suppose my complaints will be rescinded if it turns out much cheaper than expected.

Tricky balance. Personally, as someone who like as many options as possible, I like the fact that upgrade sprues exist. There's limited space on a sprue, and including extra sprues increases the cost of the box.

Having a separate upgrade sprue keeps things cheaper for people who are primarily gamers, while giving more optional variety for people who are primarily hobbyists. It also allows for really visually distinct things that you probably only ever want one of (like a really distinctive/unique head/gesture) to exist.

Oh I'm fine with an upgrade sprue, I actually like it, I just feel that for the price GW charges for this kind of stuff, I could do so much better elsewhere. Like if it ends up say 12$? I could deal, if its 27$ and the sprue is doubled in it, I could swallow it down for say buying 1 to spread amongst several squads. But the likely outcome of 25-30$ for a single sprue is just crazy to me. I suppose its a step up in that at least it doesn't have special wargear locked behind it like some of the Space Marine ones...

 xttz wrote:
Do all guard players really need one of these upgrade sprues for every guarsdman squad though? Unlike the marine version the sprue is full of stuff that you'd probably only want to include once or twice per army to avoid repetition (I'm avoiding the dreaded m-word here!), leaving a lot of excess bits that will never be used.

Well yes?

Sure, there are a lot of parts you only need 1-2 of, but if the sprue had 20 respirator heads (like it frankly should, also, why no officer/veteran/specialists heads with respirators?) it would became an instant bestseller. Not only for Cadians, for Ash Wastes/GSC/CSM cultists too, and given how dumb BT scouts look, probably them too. At just 5, it's way too inefficient and expensive for that purpose.

lost_lilliputian wrote:
This might sound like a really dumb question but is this cadian upgrade sprue compatible with the old cadian troops? Or is it only designed to fit with the new shock troops?

For old Cadians, this upgrade works a lot better:


Alas, looks like it vanished so the point is kinda moot anyway...

Worth mentioning the new Cadian trooper pictured has a female head. The male ones are more proportional to the provided bodies.

 Irbis wrote:

For old Cadians, this upgrade works a lot better:

Spoiler:

Alas, looks like it vanished so the point is kinda moot anyway...

I really like that upgrade sprue. You can still get it as part of the last gen Cadian Shock Troops kit, Element still has some in stock.

I've always been a fan of the older plastic Cadian bodies with headswaps, the Forge World upgrades had smaller heads and were perfect IMHO. In fact I prefer them to the newer models, despite the fact that the newer models are technically much better and have sharper details. Maybe nostalgia is playing a part here.

But yes, the standard heads on the old Cadians were too big.

It was never available outside of that box.

I'm not really sure the old Cadian heads were actually that over sized. They just applied logic to a helmet over a head, unlike the rest of the 40k range that treats helmets like balaclavas.

 kurhanik wrote:
Sprue looks nice enough, but I feel like I am the only person who thinks that for the price GW charges for things, it should just be in the damned baseline kit. If its priced in any way similar to the primaris upgrades, it will be 25-30$ just to glam up your squad a bit. I like all the bits on it, but it just seems a bit costly considering they are likely going to be asking 50$ for just the regular Cadian kit.

I suppose my complaints will be rescinded if it turns out much cheaper than expected.

15£

And if they were in base box price would be even higher for base box Seeing you don't need these 1=1 cheaper this way in the end...

In base box for same price of course best but pigs have better chance to fly than that

 Kanluwen wrote:
It was never available outside of that box.

Yes Kan.

I don't think that anybody said it was available on its own?

 Dawnbringer wrote:
I'm not really sure the old Cadian heads were actually that over sized. They just applied logic to a helmet over a head, unlike the rest of the 40k range that treats helmets like balaclavas.

The visual effect is not mainly because the head is as big as it is, it's due to the fact that in 'heroic proportions' like GW does them, a human is around ~5 heads high, while in reality it's more like 7-8 heads for the usual range of human heights. Adding an even slightly oversized head on top of that general principle gets you pretty near to the head-to-heigth-ratio of e.g. toddlers or monkeys, and that just starts to look weird. Your brain basically goes ''This is an infant''.

 Dawnbringer wrote:
I'm not really sure the old Cadian heads were actually that over sized. They just applied logic to a helmet over a head, unlike the rest of the 40k range that treats helmets like balaclavas.

Quoted for truth. GW models tend to have bare and helmeted heads that are the same size because it just looks 'right' at first glance. Kind of like how Iron Man's armor fits like a jacket and cap.

When they break it for something more realistic the figures look a bit bobble headed.

Star Wars Storm Troopers have the same issue since they have to fit an actual actor in the armor.

A little disappointed the AM codex and the next wave of models aren't going on pre-order next week. I have the codex, but the sooner it is on general release, the sooner IA might get a faq and I can find out what's going on with some of the Krieg stuff.

Oh well, slaves to darkness was due first, I guess it will be last weekend of the month it goes on release so should be up for pre-order next week.

Seeing the AM coin is available 28th day you can bet on that being day it's in stores. This was known some time ago already