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But what about you? And remember, not just Astartes vehicles!
I'd be surprised if you saw plastic anything other than Astartes kits in the first 1-2 years of HH2.0s run. Plastic astartes kits have a much greater and more obvious utility and cost efficiency to GW, as they can sell those kits to the vast majority of Horus Heresy players (I'd guess 75-80% of the games playerbase is playing at least one of 18 flavors of marine), as well as having obvious 40k applicability (where something like a third to half of the playerbase is some flavor of marine) if they have crossover rules. The remaining factions are all niche, making up a fraction of the remaining 20-25% of the HH playerbase and a small share of the 40k playerbase. GW will make more money selling plastic marine kits in a month than it will selling plastic Mechanicum/Solar Auxilia/Custodes kits in an entire year, and they are going to milk that cow for all that its lowest hanging fruit are worth before they invest the time, money, and resources into developing plastics for other factions. Right now marines are basically going to drive the "growth" phase of the game where GW establishes a solid and well-entrenched long-lasting playerbase of the game. Plastics for the other factions will come after that growth phase tapers off and the game enters the "expansion" phase where GW already has the core playerbase in place, but wants to attract those players that weren't interested in marines, or wants to capture the hobby dollars of those marine players who want to dip their toe into a second faction, etc. The growth phase is where GW is going to see the largest returns relative to its investment into the system, the expansion phase is where the size of the returns relative to the cost investment declines and levels off/stabilizes into consistent long-term returns. Its the difference between a "start up" and a "mature business", basically. So during that growth phase, expect anything with the widest and broadest popular appeal to the largest potential customer base first, and only once they run out of options for those products do you start to get into the more esoteric and weird stuff.
I don't know if you play HH much, but there are a TON of Mechanicum armies out there of all three flavours, Taghmata, Ordo Reductor and Legio Cybernetica. Indentured Knights are also a big thing in HH. Most people I know have a marine army and 'something else' as after a while your army is just done.
I 100% agree with you on the marines are the best bet because of course they are, its 18 marine armies. That is a no brainer. Even though most people in my area started off with marines (hell even I did Fists for the win baby!) almost everyone had some kind of secondary non marine army just because you can only paint up so many marines before you start to loose your mind.
The Mechanicum in plastic are also a no brainer, have 40k rules and its win win for GW. I just hope they keep the 'Adeptus Mechanicus' models out of 30k. I think they look horrible and are one of GW's worst line personally. Which is kinda odd because I really dig the 50's B sci-fi movie look in general but man those models just look ass.
As for wishlisting, well plastic Mechanicum would be awesome. I love resin personally, I love working with it. I love the detail you can get out of it. A lot of the models have deep deep undercuts which unless GW breaks out the slide core molds those models as is are just never going to happen. I hope that the Ordo Reductor keeps its ability to take any FW tank as that was a great way of getting older FW super heavies into a Mechanicum army.
I would love to see plastic Auxiliary along with their vehicles. Same with a generic army list so you can make any army you want. But with nu-GW's 'no model no rules' gak I don't see that happening sadly. But one can hope.
The best part of all this is the bandwangon jumpers who go all into HH then dump it in a few months, hopefully the secondary market is flooded with cheap HH models people are trying to unload.
I based my assessment on what I've witnessed personally in my area and my sense of what the broader meta looks like through online interactions. Here, we have 2-3 custodes players (who got in via 40k and branched over to 30k), 1 mechanicum player, 1 ruinstorm daemons player, and somewhere between 10 and 20 marine players (its been a while since I've seen some of them, not sure if they are still around, etc.). I've seen larger numbers of none marine players in other areas when I travel around, but I've rarely seen the non-marine players accounting for more than maybe 30-40% of a community in any given area, and that was split across multiple factions rather than just being a bunch of Mechanicum palyers (mind you that perspective is skewed as stopping by random stores on a random day doesn't necessarily give me a full picture of what the community looks like, but random sampling dictates that given enouh data points I shouldn't be too far off of the truth).
With regards to being a "no brainer" because 40k rules- well, no. I don't think thats going to happen. We saw the Liber Mechanicum table of contents today - theres not a single 40k AdMech unit in the book. If they aren't willing to let 30k players use Skitarii and other 40k units which have a solid basis to potentially be used in 40k, theres no reason to believe they would give 30k units 40k rules. I mentioned it somewhere (probably another thread), but fluffwise theres a distinction that GW has quietly been reinforcing for years that the 30k era Mechanicum is not the same as the 40k era Adeptus Mechanicus. The names are similar enough that people use them interchangeably, but to do so is incorrect as they are not exactly the same thing - they are two very similar organizations with a continuity that crosses through them both, but the Adeptus Mechanicus are the result of post-Heresy reforms which stripped the Mechanicum of a lot of its power and military capability as a result of their partial betrayal of the Imperium and reformed its leadership and hierarchy to be more obedient to Terra, etc. There are even loose implications that the Skitarii didn't exist as they do in 40k terms during the time of the Horus Heresy and they were a post-Heresy creation resulting from the Mechanicum-turned-Adeptus Mechanicus being stripped of their tagmata/reductor/cybernetica units, which is sufficient justification for why those units would not be available in a 30k army (unless, maybe, dark mechanicum get them).
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CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
I just have this nagging feeling that GW is going to announce a new plastic Scout Titan kit, and Titanicus players will begin freaking out over the wonderful news...
Rapier in 28mm.
...just to troll us. They did it to 40K players with the Aeronautica Thunderhawk, so they'll do it to us with the Rapier. It'll be bloody expensive and impractical, and when we appeal to them for a Titanicus version...
I'd be very supprised if we didn't see more plastic character miniatures, primarily some of the notables that are currently in resin. We may well see plastic traitor primarchs useable in 30k as well as 40k, especially as having a seige campaign book/set is almost a given. I'd be pleasantly but not completely surprised by a plastic demon horus and the emperor.
SamusDrake wrote: I just have this nagging feeling that GW is going to announce a new plastic Scout Titan kit, and Titanicus players will begin freaking out over the wonderful news...
Titanicus players won't because they are perfectly happy playing with Titans in the correct scale
my money says we'll mostly see plastic HH characters done for black library days and other special events. I'd also not be suprised to see a third mini, one for thorus heresy, added to warhammer plus down the road
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
SamusDrake wrote: I just have this nagging feeling that GW is going to announce a new plastic Scout Titan kit, and Titanicus players will begin freaking out over the wonderful news...
Titanicus players won't because they are perfectly happy playing with Titans in the correct scale
I do believe that you've missed the point of my post, dear Pacific.
We would definitely be freaking out if we knew that a plastic Rapier titan was on the way. But the celebration would then be cut short when we find out its for 28mm 30K instead.
Then, we'd probably end up with FW resin release for the actual Titanicus version, because it would be too expensive to make in plastic. Kind of a reverse on the Aeronautica Thunderhawk reveal...
Any news about plastic support characters? It will be quite boring to use only the two Praetors from the box in the meantime. And nope, I won´t touch the overpriced Forge World stuff.
Strg Alt wrote: Any news about plastic support characters? It will be quite boring to use only the two Praetors from the box in the meantime. And nope, I won´t touch the overpriced Forge World stuff.
I have a feeling stuff like support characters will remain a Forge World thing. Not 100% certain about it, but the very specialised nature of the models feels like something that'll keep them in the realm of FW.
The biggest indicator someone is a loser is them complaining about 3d printers or piracy.
I'm waiting for more "Space" Marine kits. I'm talking about stuff that leans into the first word, jump pack troops, breachers, all drop pod variants, land speeders, flying transports.. Bring back the Caestus Assault Ram! I feel like tanks are already planned for a plastification for the most part, next we need more Fast Atack / "Space" stuff.
"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
Strg Alt wrote: And nope, I won´t touch the overpriced Forge World stuff.
You're gonna have a pretty boring army that's basically the one size fits all models from the starter sets in that case. The primarchs, legion exclusive units, and even upgrade sprues with heads and shoulder pads are all FW only. I don't quite get the point of doing a 30k army without its primarch or special units. You're also restricted to space marines, space marines or space marines as all the mechanicum and a lot of the guard kits are FW only and will remain that way.
Er, yes, it was known since the first youtuber opened the big box and found an ad leaflet clearly depicting a Contemptor with guns there were not in the big box
The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
Strg Alt wrote: And nope, I won´t touch the overpriced Forge World stuff.
You're gonna have a pretty boring army that's basically the one size fits all models from the starter sets in that case. The primarchs, legion exclusive units, and even upgrade sprues with heads and shoulder pads are all FW only. I don't quite get the point of doing a 30k army without its primarch or special units. You're also restricted to space marines, space marines or space marines as all the mechanicum and a lot of the guard kits are FW only and will remain that way.
Boring army? I have an unique paint scheme for my IH and for the base deco. This would hardly qualify as boring. However I will never spend cash for a primarch which is almost as expensive as 50% of the starter box. Then I would much rather buy another starter set to get a lot of models on the battlefield.
Restricted? Nope. I already have a fully painted Daemon & Traitor Guard army for 40K and those models can be used in 30K without a fuss.
Lets see how long it takes when GW will release all legion-specific shoulder pads. Besides that the new Contemptor kit looks great. I will pick up at least one for sure.
Looks ok, nothing that'll make me run out and buy a fourth contemptor (two resin + my box set).
I haven't put together my plastic contemptor though, so if the traitor bits or extra weapons pop up on ebay I might pick those up.
maybe but for folks starting a new HH army it's exciting. people like you though I expect we'll see some genuinelg new things to enchourage purchasing. things like the Kratos
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Looks ok, nothing that'll make me run out and buy a fourth contemptor (two resin + my box set).
I haven't put together my plastic contemptor though, so if the traitor bits or extra weapons pop up on ebay I might pick those up.
maybe but for folks starting a new HH army it's exciting. people like you though I expect we'll see some genuinelg new things to enchourage purchasing. things like the Kratos
Oh don't get me wrong I'm happy for any plastic, but with HH they do have to contend with a demographic of existing players with existing miniatures.
I'm excited for the plastic sicaran personally, it'll be so much nicer to work with properly molded plastic than the mold lines of my half built resin one.
I prefer to buy from miniature manufacturers that *don't* support the overthrow of democracy.
ScarletRose wrote: Oh don't get me wrong I'm happy for any plastic, but with HH they do have to contend with a demographic of existing players with existing miniatures.
You've just described every single GW release ever. Congrats.
Looks ok, nothing that'll make me run out and buy a fourth contemptor (two resin + my box set).
I haven't put together my plastic contemptor though, so if the traitor bits or extra weapons pop up on ebay I might pick those up.
maybe but for folks starting a new HH army it's exciting. people like you though I expect we'll see some genuinelg new things to enchourage purchasing. things like the Kratos
Oh don't get me wrong I'm happy for any plastic, but with HH they do have to contend with a demographic of existing players with existing miniatures.
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yup, hence the Kratos. Notice it came out along side the box set? I'm betting GW will make sure people like you have something to buy
ScarletRose wrote: Oh don't get me wrong I'm happy for any plastic, but with HH they do have to contend with a demographic of existing players with existing miniatures.
You've just described every single GW release ever. Congrats.
the Kratos coming out at launch suggests GW will ensure we get genuinely NEW items as well down the line so those who think they have everything have something to tempt them
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
I wonder if they are going to have vs box sets for HH like burning of prospero and betrayal at calth. I don't know enough about HH lore to know what would make an interesting subject for such box set.
BrianDavion wrote: the Kratos coming out at launch suggests GW will ensure we get genuinely NEW items as well down the line so those who think they have everything have something to tempt them
Eh, sort of. For GW, HH has always been about reselling Astartes to 40k players. This still does that and encourages people who were maybe only slightly invested in HH to jump a little deeper since the buy-in is now insanely cheap.
