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You know they had underslung grenade launcher attached to assasult rifle in real life.

Presented without comment.

Actually, I lie, I will comment. I made this, but prefer the 90s plastic Goliath’s sculpt. A phrase I have never uttered before!

It lacks heart. Like the gang boss is just going through the motions because dealing with incompetent underlings on a daily basis is about as soul destroying as the TPS reports to upper management after. It's like he just sighed, picked up his chain axe and mutters about why pay anyone when he has to do it himself...

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Presented without comment.

Actually, I lie, I will comment. I made this, but prefer the 90s plastic Goliath’s sculpt. A phrase I have never uttered before!

Take your exault, you've earned it!

The model is bloated and anti-synergetic. The axe is two-handed so can't be combined with the pistol in close combat. That could be circumvented by getting biceps skill. That's a very low-tier skill so comes at a cost of a really good skill that would actually boost this character. The bolter is always better to shoot with so no need for the bolt pistol. On the contrary, since it is combi, the flamer part will run out of ammo sooner. Then there are frag launcher and hand flamer. And not enough weapon slots to hold all of that (the axe takes 2 weapon slots). Could be circumvented by suspensor harness at the cost of 40 credits. Instead there will now be new genesmithing options? On top of the 30 already existing. And this is competing with top-tier stuff like +1 Wounds and/or Toughness. The minimum cost WYSIWYG is 370 credits. Not counting future genesmithing options to make it legal. 415 if including the bionic arm. GW recommends adding a 130 credits sumpkroc on top.

The whole weapon slot limitation is kinda a joke anyway. Load up a single character with all the special weapons, combi-weapons and two-handed close combat weapons you want. That's not exactly the road to victory. Can still look cool though.

Chopstick wrote:
You know they had underslung grenade launcher attached to assasult rifle in real life.

I realise this, but they are typically used to provide explosive heavy fire support in addition to the solid round assault rifles of the squad. Bolt guns already provide explosive heavy fire, making the grenade launcher somewhat redundant. I guess the ability to launch krak and other specialist load outs make it worthwhile.

That is one bland model.

I wonder if the whole nonsense right arm assemblage is a separate piece with the standard joint from the plastic kits. Take that away and maybe do something about the head and you have a decent basis for a high-ranking Goliath, I think.

If the combibolter is moulded to his side, though, yeesh.

 Flinty wrote:

I realise this, but they are typically used to provide explosive heavy fire support in addition to the solid round assault rifles of the squad. Bolt guns already provide explosive heavy fire, making the grenade launcher somewhat redundant. I guess the ability to launch krak and other specialist load outs make it worthwhile.

Frag adds blast which boltgun doesn't have. While frag is quite insignificant in Necromunda, it includes the magic keyword blast which grants a lot of loopholes to avoid pitch black, target priority and various special rules preventing targeting fighters (hey Corpse Grinder Cult!). It doesn't include krak however, not sure if it can be purchased separately. Ironically krak overlaps boltgun since both are medium/high strength with Damage 2. Boltgun however got rapid fire, while krak is single round with better strength.

Baxx wrote:

 Flinty wrote:

I realise this, but they are typically used to provide explosive heavy fire support in addition to the solid round assault rifles of the squad. Bolt guns already provide explosive heavy fire, making the grenade launcher somewhat redundant. I guess the ability to launch krak and other specialist load outs make it worthwhile.

Frag adds blast which boltgun doesn't have. While frag is quite insignificant in Necromunda, it includes the magic keyword blast which grants a lot of loopholes to avoid pitch black, target priority and various special rules preventing targeting fighters (hey Corpse Grinder Cult!). It doesn't include krak however, not sure if it can be purchased separately. Ironically krak overlaps boltgun since both are medium/high strength with Damage 2. Boltgun however got rapid fire, while krak is single round with better strength.

Sorry, I am drifting randomly through real life comparisons, that I should keep out of the N&R thread. I just thought that adding an explosive projectile weapon to an existing explosive projectile weapon seemed a bit redundant. Understand there are game rule purposes that make it relevant.

 Flinty wrote:

Baxx wrote:

 Flinty wrote:

I realise this, but they are typically used to provide explosive heavy fire support in addition to the solid round assault rifles of the squad. Bolt guns already provide explosive heavy fire, making the grenade launcher somewhat redundant. I guess the ability to launch krak and other specialist load outs make it worthwhile.

Frag adds blast which boltgun doesn't have. While frag is quite insignificant in Necromunda, it includes the magic keyword blast which grants a lot of loopholes to avoid pitch black, target priority and various special rules preventing targeting fighters (hey Corpse Grinder Cult!). It doesn't include krak however, not sure if it can be purchased separately. Ironically krak overlaps boltgun since both are medium/high strength with Damage 2. Boltgun however got rapid fire, while krak is single round with better strength.

Sorry, I am drifting randomly through real life comparisons, that I should keep out of the N&R thread. I just thought that adding an explosive projectile weapon to an existing explosive projectile weapon seemed a bit redundant. Understand there are game rule purposes that make it relevant.

I know bolt shells explode, but I’ve never imagined they explode like grenades explode. More like they just really make a mess of the one thing they hit.

Bolt shells only explode once they're inside a target - hence 'mass reactive'. In terms of hitting stuff they're just really big bullets. Frag grenades are quite different - you shoot them through windows and doors to winkle targets out of cover etc.

Cover is a target. Mass is mass. Also the old OICW system was based on a 20mm explosive shell that could be programmed to explode just after it passed over intervening cover to do some top-attack action. As soon as you start running large calibre explosive shells in a high-technology environment, needing a separate grenade system starts to lose utility, especially given the wide range of bolt shells that apparently exist. However, in-game there are specific game mechanics that make it worthwhile.

I'm pretty sure the grenade launcher is supposed to be firing considerably larger shells, something like 40mm vs the .7 or so calibre of the boltgun (around 20mm). That is a massive increase in volume of explosive, esp. as the grenade launcher is probably lower velocity with a thinner-walled shell.

Part of the reason the OICW was dropped is the small shell didn't have enough explosive power to warrant the weight.

Basically, bolt rounds are armour piercing rounds with an explosive core to increase damage after penetration, similar to battleship armour piercing shells (but miniaturised with a rocket propulsion). Grenade launcher rounds are HE or probably HEAT for the krak grenades. Quite different intentions.

Mass reactive means that it litteraly reacts to mass not that it can tell when it's in a body.
If it hits anything with sufficient mass it explodes.

The boltgun is a heavier, shootie-wound weapon, it doesn't work like a grenade launcher.

Grenade Launcher- Blast template. It'll jam on you, and/ or blow up your own guys, that'll work like 50/ 50 percent of the time, unless you've got the skills to offset Special weapons... idiosyncrasies..

Boltgun, you'll be rolling Ammo Rolls all day, anyway.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/08/29/two-outlaws-one-kill-fist-no-mercy-new-goliath-hired-guns-come-to-necromunda/

New lads for the boys Much better, cool axe too. Still no beard head :(

The combi-plas looks great.

These are significantly better than the previous guy

It does indeed look ace.

But now I’m wondering how come it’s always Bolter/Something for a Combi-weapon.

I mean, not a criticising wondering, just as “huh, how come” wondering.

No-Neck and Long-Neck to the rescue!!!

Still only two guild retinues and one noble house representative has models.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It does indeed look ace.

But now I’m wondering how come it’s always Bolter/Something for a Combi-weapon.

I mean, not a criticising wondering, just as “huh, how come” wondering.

It's their theme. Other gangs have other combis.

I love the chainsaw mohawk.

The commercial repeats the current setting, outlaw/outcast & ash wastes, but the bases look like these were modelled for good old hive.

Baxx wrote:
The commercial repeats the current setting, outlaw/outcast & ash wastes, but the bases look like these were modelled for good old hive.

Because these were supposed to come out earlier, but it's easier to change the copy than the base.

Kill-Fist.

His name is Kill-Fist.


Uh huh.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Kill-Fist.

His name is Kill-Fist.


Uh huh.

Should've gone with Kill-Fister, or better yet Kill-Fisto.

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Zenithfleet wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Vertrucio wrote:
Also important to note that Escher are not normal humans.

Neither are Goliaths. Or even Delaque these days.

Necromunda ain't what it used to be...

Current Necromunda is the hobby game that rich nobles in the Spire play to while away the hours, based on wildly exaggerated caricatures of downhivers they've heard from friends of friends of friends. "Those scum down there are barely even human! But they have exquisite and expensive toys, because I demand standards in my entertainment, what!"

Meanwhile, actual Eschers and Delaques and Goliaths sigh and drink their Wildsnake before heading out to scrag the neighbours' water still and teach them a lesson for what they did to Fred.

It's like how the original Starwing (Starfox) on Super Nintendo was about the grim and serious actual war, while Lylat Wars (Starfox 64) was the family-friendly action movie the survivors made about it afterward.

I like this take.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Kill-Fist.
His name is Kill-Fist.

Uh huh.

Should've gone with Kill-Fister, or better yet Kill-Fisto.
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I don't play Necromunda (I just buy the terrain really), and if I did I wouldn't play Goliath (Cawdor, Delaque, and Van Saar are more my jam) - but if they named it Kill-Fisto I would 100% have bought it.

 Olthannon wrote:
I love the chainsaw mohawk.

I wonder if it'll do anything in the game, or whether it is purely there for aesthetic value.