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 Altruizine wrote:
What does the "Zone Necromunda Game" stamp on the box convey?

I'm wondering if it is replacing "Zone Mortalis" games.

Originally there were
Zone Mortalis games. 2D games played on a board like n17 launched
Sector Mechanicus games. 3D games played on terrain representing a hive


This doesn't really make sense now as the Sector Mechanicus games mostly use 3d Zone Mortalis Terrain, and Zone Mortalis games use boards and don't use the plastic Zone Mortalis Terrain.

So I'm wondering if Zone Necromunda will come to mean 2d games, ash wastes for games outside of the hive and a new term for 3d games in the hive.


It's just a theory.

DrankThePaintwater wrote:

 Altruizine wrote:
What does the "Zone Necromunda Game" stamp on the box convey?

I'm wondering if it is replacing "Zone Mortalis" games.

At the bottom of the article it says "alongside new ruined Zone Mortalis" so I doubt it.

As I just explained.

In the rules a Zone Mortalis game does not used Zone Mortalis terrain.
There are currently 2 different things in necromunda that are both called Zone Mortalis.

Renaming the game type solves this issue.

 Souleater wrote:

 Flinty wrote:
While I am tempted but the boxed set, it’s going to be £200 isn’t it.

Nearer the £120 mark at a guess.

Plastic bag not included; sold separately.

I just hope that scatter terrain is compatible with the ZM stuff. I really hate it when they make similar looking stuff that isn't actually compatible.

They don't need to be obnoxious about this, just put a Spyrer gang out. If they'd have put all the work they put into making mediocre Necromunda boxed sets over the last five years into fleshing out a Warhammer Quest game, we could actually have a great Warhammer Quest game and not realize we missed anything.

twoseventwo wrote:
Unless I dreamt it there was very old lore suggesting Spyrer suits were Tau technology, but they've clearly not leant into that with this design.

I'm not sure if it was ever stated outright in any Necromunda content that the spyrer suits were Tau tech, just that they were of non-imperial origin, and therefore implying that they were xenotech. I believe the connection to the Tau came in the original Tau codex from 3rd (4th?) edition 40k, which contained a list of Tau words, several of which were identical (or very similar to) the names of the different spyrer suits, with the definition for each word roughly matching the style of the given suit.

DrankThePaintwater wrote:
As I just explained.

In the rules a Zone Mortalis game does not used Zone Mortalis terrain.
There are currently 2 different things in necromunda that are both called Zone Mortalis.

Renaming the game type solves this issue.

Which, as you stated was a guess. The bit at the end about more ZM terrain makes me doubt that is what they are doing.

I totally dig the GSC, they'd be at home in multiple game systems if not for the usual GW price.

M.

 Breotan wrote:
I just hope that scatter terrain is compatible with the ZM stuff. I really hate it when they make similar looking stuff that isn't actually compatible.

The scatter terrain in the boxed set? That's a reprint of the bulkheads that have been around for a few years (since the original new Necromunda boxed set iirc). They do not physically integrate with the ZM products, but they are "compatible" in the sense that you can place them on a table beside and around the ZM terrain. Y'know, the way all wargaming terrain was "compatible" for multiple decades lol.

If you mean the "ruined Zone Mortalis" terrain it will 100% be compatible with the earlier ZM products. You can see it in the backgrounds of the preview video.

I am I think the exact target audience for this.

My buddy and I were lamenting 10 days ago exactly how we wanted a boxed game for Necromunda, that didn't need any other rulebooks, that was a dungeon crawl/zone mortalis type game where he could play a genestealer cult and I could play some Van Saar.

It's almost like they heard us and somehow brought the product to market in ten days.....what great turnaround time, haha.

I don't think GW has ever made something I wishlisted before like that. I should probably go take a look at my monkey's paw and expect a 500 dollar price tag.

That all aside if this is not absurdly overpriced I am absolutely buying this.

Is it just me, but the dice look like they dropped in size? Could be just bad Photoshop but I just don't like tiny dice.

Breotan wrote:I just hope that scatter terrain is compatible with the ZM stuff. I really hate it when they make similar looking stuff that isn't actually compatible.

They've been pretty good lately about all the plastic terrain fitting together. The Ash Waste habs, the new kill zone platforms, the old Necromunda walls & columns.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Bit disappointing and weird that instead of doing more spyrers, they put some van saar

I'd have preferred generic bounty hunters and mercs but ah well.

I have Van Saar, hence I am happy with the choice

I would have thought they would pair Malcadons with VS due to the spider symbology.

twoseventwo wrote:
Unless I dreamt it there was very old lore suggesting Spyrer suits were Tau technology, but they've clearly not leant into that with this design.

The implication seemed to be more that the Tau might have encountered Spyrers, and that their language was influenced by them.

It would make no sense that the Tau were somehow creating archeotech fitted with technology which they didn't employ in their own suits, and spying technology which they wouldn't be able to access with their slower than light communications.

I like the floating blobs but the branches on the genestealers do need to go.

So the Tyramites are the floating things, huh? Was anything said about them?

This looks fantastic to me. All of the minis look great, especially the mutated Genestealers and the Spyrers!

I don't even mind that they are including a couple of the same Hive Scum sprues, they are great for all kinds of humanoid conversions.

I'm very interested in seeing the rules, I'm assuming that it's a Necromunda-lite dungeon crawler, if so it could be a good way to introduce Necro to friends.

I'm hoping that the price will be acceptable, I'm very poor at the moment

The thing about spyrers enlisting gangs as meat shields is interreseting. At first I thought it was weird the Orrus would work alongside the VS.

I wonder if spyrers work as bountyhunters, or if you start out with the spyrer(s) and then recruit optional gangers.
Anyway, it sound much more fun than the oldmunda spyrer setup. Thinking about a gang dealing with that obnoxiuos brat sounds like a great narrative.

Do the genestealers level up? If one player is on a scripted adventure and the other is just running NPC genestealers this is DOA in my book, despite the Van Saar being amazing glowups and certainly look the part (of a far far more competent Prometheus crew)

Also does the book have rules to dungeoneer with all gangs or does the Delaque player get to wait for another 2 years for his DLC?

We don’t know yet is the short answer.

Once I’ve got my Heresy stuff for both scales done, my Zone Mortalis terrain is next up on the workbench. So I might well be in for this!

 Altruizine wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
I just hope that scatter terrain is compatible with the ZM stuff. I really hate it when they make similar looking stuff that isn't actually compatible.

The scatter terrain in the boxed set? That's a reprint of the bulkheads that have been around for a few years (since the original new Necromunda boxed set iirc). They do not physically integrate with the ZM products, but they are "compatible" in the sense that you can place them on a table beside and around the ZM terrain. Y'know, the way all wargaming terrain was "compatible" for multiple decades lol.

If you mean the "ruined Zone Mortalis" terrain it will 100% be compatible with the earlier ZM products. You can see it in the backgrounds of the preview video.

The scatter terrain bulkheads are a slightly different scale to the full plastic ZM; they are sized to work with the original card stock ZM tiles (and possibly the original, original FW resin tiles), which is still used for the paper “play sheets” that now come in the box sets. They are not directly compatible with the plastic kits, sadly.

These may be useful

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4414381

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2742746

The guy who did the second one has a whole set of necro 2017 compatible bulkheads that look like they should fit the new boxes set
Map.


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Isn't there some new terrain in the Necromunda video, right at the start?

The Spyrer suits look great and the new box looks cool. I'm really curious about the game pitch for the box, I'd love it to be a functioning self-contained Necro dungeon-crawl campaign that we could play thru.

I think it's clear from what we know that there is indeed a self-contained two-player dungeon crawl in the box; the question is what else they're planning and if there's a campaign in the usual sense. It would seem a bit limiting for them to reintroduce Spyrers but only allow them to go up against Genestealers. But if there is a multiplayer campaign (STALKER-esque with the gangs starting off at the Dust Wall ready to go in and make their fortunes?), then what part will the Genestealers play?

i assume there's going to be a book once more is revealed to allow these models to be played in mainline necromunda

I guess some people are upset the mutated genestealers are going to be Necromunda specific type and not have 40k rules.

I can't imagine, outside of a tournament setting, that if someone mixed these in to a Tyranid army many would care that much.

 Ahtman wrote:


I can't imagine, outside of a tournament setting, that if someone mixed these in to a Tyranid army many would care that much.

Yeah, one had to be an donkey-cave to have problem with those models being used. They are Stealers after all.