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Those bulkheads fit decently well between the octagonal column blocks on the plastic zone mortalis tiles, but you have to do some cutting to get the height to match exactly.

That being said, these bulkhead have bothered me since that first re-release box set. I can see that they were trying to use details similar to the bulkheads from the original game, but the details sculpted onto the panels don’t make any sense. They have structures that just sort of hang on the wall like artwork. The cross bracing doesn’t actually connect to the vertical structural members. Liberal application of evergreen or plastructs polystyrene I-beams is needed to makes them structurally sensible.

I preordered the Secundus set from a seller on Amazon. It has shipped and is supposed to arrive Tuesday.

So, flicking through the Secundus book, it’s basically full Necromunda rules. The secundus campaign just modifies the starting cash, pre and post battle actions, and defines what the genestealer player/arbitrator does to generate malstrain units for them to fight. No trading post because the second is campaign doesn’t allow trading in the usual sense.
It’s also very clearly built for two players only; you’re going to have to think about it a bit if you want to have multiple gangs running in the “same” Secundus delve.

Also the dice are nice and high contrast; sky blue on black or the reverse.

Jeepers, was there a poll and everybody said they only have 1 friend to play Necromunda with?

Is this the full book, or the box set book where it was already stated to be a 2 player experience?

 Flinty wrote:
Is this the full book, or the box set book where it was already stated to be a 2 player experience?

I'd assume the box, since the other hasn't been listed for preorder.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
So, flicking through the Secundus book, it’s basically full Necromunda rules. The secundus campaign just modifies the starting cash, pre and post battle actions, and defines what the genestealer player/arbitrator does to generate malstrain units for them to fight. No trading post because the second is campaign doesn’t allow trading in the usual sense.
It’s also very clearly built for two players only; you’re going to have to think about it a bit if you want to have multiple gangs running in the “same” Secundus delve.

Also the dice are nice and high contrast; sky blue on black or the reverse.

how hard would it be to adapt it to solo play?

mithril2098 wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
So, flicking through the Secundus book, it’s basically full Necromunda rules. The secundus campaign just modifies the starting cash, pre and post battle actions, and defines what the genestealer player/arbitrator does to generate malstrain units for them to fight. No trading post because the second is campaign doesn’t allow trading in the usual sense.
It’s also very clearly built for two players only; you’re going to have to think about it a bit if you want to have multiple gangs running in the “same” Secundus delve.

Also the dice are nice and high contrast; sky blue on black or the reverse.

how hard would it be to adapt it to solo play?

As hard as it would be for any form of Necromunda is, I guess?

Which is to say, it's very easy to run a convincing "NPC" gang at the campaign/strategic level, but very difficult to actually, like, execute model-by-model gameplay decisions for an "NPC" gang that would semi-accurately simulate a "player" gang's experience of playing against an unpredictable human opponent with obscure motivations and shifting objectives.

While I would LOVE to see one, I don't think any amount of creative effort could produce a credible-feeling automatic AI opponent in Necromunda. There's simply too much possible on the table. A hyper-aggressive AI would probably be the closest version achievable, but even that would fall short in a lot of ways. Although since a Malstrain player doesn't seem to have to worry about long-term "gang health" Secundus might be a good place to try something like that out. I still think it would probably fail because it would be very easy to bait an always-aggressive opponent into terrible positions.

 Flinty wrote:
Is this the full book, or the box set book where it was already stated to be a 2 player experience?

Are you talking about The Book of Desolation? aka Book of the Underlands, that was recently previewed?
AFAICT from the preview it's likely to have rules for the other Spyrers and maybe rules for forming Incursion gangs for the other houses. Not basic game rules.

Single player wise, I was thinking of taking a look again at some of the mechanics I have on hand.

Operation last train - super simple and freely available online
Stargrave- a bit less simple, but only 2 core reaction types (shooting and combat focus)
Blackstone Fortress - assign one of the existing reaction cards to each type of baddie
5 Parsecs from Home - most complex with 7 different free-form action response algorithms.

I might even look up the Horizon Wars AI as well, although that is intended to larger scale combat.

The one thing with automating the opfor is that while the malstrain genestealers and tyramites are all identical, the brood scum are just regular hive scum with a 40 cred equipment budget so you can have guys with anything from a lasgun, mesh armour and an axe to one with a stub gun and photo goggles (for some reason).
So you’d probably need to come up with several archetypes (ranged, melee, pistoleer) and probably ignore the photo goggles entirely because why.

Edit: one thing I did find interesting was that everything in the set comes packed in paper bags, except the bases; part of the plastic waste reduction goal?

 Mr_Rose wrote:

Edit: one thing I did find interesting was that everything in the set comes packed in paper bags, except the bases; part of the plastic waste reduction goal?

I really liked the paper bags, it looked were high quality. I nice detail, made me think of secret files or something. Set the atmosphere for me in a very positive way.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
The one thing with automating the opfor is that while the malstrain genestealers and tyramites are all identical, the brood scum are just regular hive scum with a 40 cred equipment budget so you can have guys with anything from a lasgun, mesh armour and an axe to one with a stub gun and photo goggles (for some reason).
So you’d probably need to come up with several archetypes (ranged, melee, pistoleer) and probably ignore the photo goggles entirely because why.

Edit: one thing I did find interesting was that everything in the set comes packed in paper bags, except the bases; part of the plastic waste reduction goal?

BSF might be the easiest way then as it has already defined similar archetypes and allows for different responses at different ranges. Just need to convert the hex range into inches.

Whilst I applaud the attempt to reduce plastic by not sealing the boxsets entirely, I absolutely *despise* the stickers GW are using as an alternative. >.<

mithril2098 wrote:


how hard would it be to adapt it to solo play?

Not hard at all given that the contents of the box are perfect for the following solo rules from GW themselves...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/u~H3v6~I9-vZx9Y-.pdf

...and have been enjoying the Ambot Hunt rules, adapted, with other games such as Stargrave. Come to think of it, I'm not sure why I haven't done so with Blackstone Fortress...time to look into that, methinks!

 Clockpunk wrote:
Whilst I applaud the attempt to reduce plastic by not sealing the boxsets entirely, I absolutely *despise* the stickers GW are using as an alternative. >.<

I wrecked the printing on my box trying to remove the leftover adhesive

Just... cut... the sticker.

Do people keep the boxes?

The bigger boxes out of firm cardboard are nice for storage

*Slaps Dark Uprising box* this baby stores so many gangs.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Just... cut... the sticker.

a) they look awful when they age

b) my gameroom is quite light, and so the way they catch the light on my shelves looks terrible

 Clockpunk wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Just... cut... the sticker.

a) they look awful when they age

b) my gameroom is quite light, and so the way they catch the light on my shelves looks terrible

Layer of dullcote?

I’ll take this as advice to locate some of that goo-remover stuff to deal with the box sticker.

I’m also in the “save your huge GW boxes to store your stuff in” camp because they’re sturdy boxes that can take a lot of being moved around.

Not this one though; the big Heresy boxes, so far, are all high grade stuff, as was the Ash Wastes box but Secundus is second tier cardboard at best. It’d be okay on the top of a pile, just don’t put anything else on top.

I had initially hoped Battlefoam would do a game box foam kit for Secondus as a standalone game, but the box is the flimsy type so yeah, maybe not such a good idea.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Not this one though; the big Heresy boxes, so far, are all high grade stuff, as was the Ash Wastes box but Secundus is second tier cardboard at best. It’d be okay on the top of a pile, just don’t put anything else on top.

Reminds me of the old boxes they used for starter boxes back in the late 90s and 00s. Nostalgia.

The HH boxes are arguably over-engineered although I'm not complaining.

I've seen the Hive Secondus terrain, and the data nodes, so far. I do want to get me some of the special characters, but I can also see making a few of my own.

For Solo play, you're fine... Just remember, even nerfed, the Stealers can be lethally effective.( or Effectively Lethal) Then you add in the other parts, and you can see why they included Spyers as the next add on.

I still hurt over the cost of the gangs box, and have to wait for a month or so for the other adds. That will give me time to go get the gangs painted.

Someone asked about the addition of other gangs...

Anyone who goes into Hive Secondus needs to worry about the radiation content. The bugs are only a portion of the danger, just in case you want to add in some radiation zombies, the rogue ash waste-landers, or the added Van Sarr incursions of other teams that you could add to a random encounter table, along with creepy crawlies, or mutated beasts and scavie's or random Spyer teams that you can have in there creeping around.

THIS box seems mainly for the Van Sarr contingent, but I could see a Adeptus Mechanicus explorer team, or a contingent of Adeptus Sororitas kill teams around, spreading the good word, or scrounging up tech, alongside Squats, the Orks, or Mutant Outlaw gangs that run rough over the Ash waste...

You remember that Karl Urban Judge Dredd movie? A similar premise of chasing fugitives into the hive, and going after them with ass loads of bounty hunters, hive scum, the rogue Palanites, and other villains' after your gang...

I'm still reading the book, but it's given me an Escape From New York/ Walking Dead vibe mish mashed with Genestealers. I can really see that we're going to have a lot of fun with it.

Important modelling note for the data node kit; the “hoods” for the data stacks are all unique and only line up with one specific set of cables from the central core. It’s really subtle but I narrowly avoid a real mess yesterday (fortunately my glue wasn’t set!)

 Jadenim wrote:
Important modelling note for the data node kit; the “hoods” for the data stacks are all unique and only line up with one specific set of cables from the central core. It’s really subtle but I narrowly avoid a real mess yesterday (fortunately my glue wasn’t set!)

Thanks for the heads up!

Do you think the separate data stack set is worthwhile, Jadenim?