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 GaroRobe wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:
Those are the first ones that seem to coherently fit with the Mark VI kit.

They're great.

The iron warriors lack beaks, but they’re also intended to be MK 6. They have the lights on the helmet, for example. As for the rest…

Yeah, the IW helmets were clearly Mk VI even without the beak.

Now that the djinn is out of the lamp re: the Predator, I wonder if GW is going to make us wait another week or two for the official reveal as-planned, or will they release the official photos and complete trailer immediately.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Now that the djinn is out of the lamp re: the Predator, I wonder if GW is going to make us wait another week or two for the official reveal as-planned, or will they release the official photos and complete trailer immediately.

Yea they tend to do an official unveiling asap rather than leave unintended leaks circulating, lately.

Nice. Dome turret Predator was my favorite tank, until GW "upgraded" it with horrible rivets and armor detail. Glad to see they kept the turret smooth.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Ah jeez so it's not even that those upgrades are available this weekend? It's just a reveal. I'm going to stop trying to follow releases. Just annoying.

Preorder announcements only happen on Sunday (for next Saturday).
Whatever else happens during the week is just reveals

Any chance the old dome predator with the metal twin assault cannons will be legal? I have one sitting in a box somewhere I was going to Orkify, but never got around to it.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Ugh. Why is their release system so complicated

Umm. Sunday announces preorder, saturday every week same time goes on preorder for gw store, friday for fw. Can't get easier. Super simple predictable pattern.

Goreshrek wrote:
Any chance the old dome predator with the metal twin assault cannons will be legal? I have one sitting in a box somewhere I was going to Orkify, but never got around to it.

It's an option for IF & BA, as assault cannons were still prototypes and being tested by those legions.

Ok, so if one wants to make a Standard Whirlwind (as documented in the supplemental PDF), this predator kit's frontal hull plate is the one to get. I was wondering when we'd be seeing it, since the Deimos Rhino kit didn't have it.

As a BA player, a Baal pred loadout would have been nice but I reckon we'll be seeing more variants soon enough.

 tauist wrote:
Ok, so if one wants to make a Standard Whirlwind (as documented in the supplemental PDF), this predator kit's frontal hull plate is the one to get. I was wondering when we'd be seeing it, since the Deimos Rhino kit didn't have it.

As a BA player, a Baal pred loadout would have been nice but I reckon we'll be seeing more variants soon enough.

Legion specific upogrades will... sadly, likely be only avaliable from FW in resin :(

BrianDavion wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Ok, so if one wants to make a Standard Whirlwind (as documented in the supplemental PDF), this predator kit's frontal hull plate is the one to get. I was wondering when we'd be seeing it, since the Deimos Rhino kit didn't have it.

As a BA player, a Baal pred loadout would have been nice but I reckon we'll be seeing more variants soon enough.

Legion specific upogrades will... sadly, likely be only avaliable from FW in resin :(

Potentially kitbash-able depending on the specific upgrades. There are a fair amount of weapons on various sprues (and obviously more coming)

Love the EC upgrades! And I hope the Predator comes with the Neutron Blaster option but otherwise looks like a great kit.

Plastic sicaran when?

Edit: derp it was announced a few months back and I forgot. D:

Although, they did only announce the basic version. Not any of the interesting options.

 Albertorius wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:
Those are the first ones that seem to coherently fit with the Mark VI kit.

They're great.

The iron warriors lack beaks, but they’re also intended to be MK 6. They have the lights on the helmet, for example. As for the rest…

Yeah, the IW helmets were clearly Mk VI even without the beak.

Shave off the 'light' thingie though, and they look a lot more like mk4's imho as they also have the cables running to the mouth piece. I'll be replace my beaky heads with em anyways.

 Boringstuff wrote:
Plastic sicaran when?

Edit: derp it was announced a few months back and I forgot. D:

Although, they did only announce the basic version. Not any of the interesting options.

I would surmise that the other versions will be plastic, so far it seems to be how the design process has been going with all the announced/released stuff.

 Strg Alt wrote:

angel of death 007 wrote:
I have been looking at starting Horus Heresy but I have a feeling it will follow the GW regular codex crap. I know right now they did those Liber Astartes and Liber Hereticus but that reminds me of when they came out with a new release of 40k and did those indexes which were only good for like a few months while they released codexes for each army.

Honestly the box set looks like a decent value or starting point but I am still kinda fearing GW will do the GW thing.

Anyone know if they will go the codex route with HH?

Those two main books are your army books. Do you really think each single legion will get a dedicated book? That would be 18 books! No one will support such crap in the community. It would be even worse than Bookromunda.
We will get in a couple of months Cults/Militia and Mechanicum. And that´s it. There will be no need to turn your gaming room into a library. This is the main advantage of 30K over 40K: Less factions which warrant more fun.

LOL well see if GW let's that stand and for how long.

Boosykes wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:

angel of death 007 wrote:
I have been looking at starting Horus Heresy but I have a feeling it will follow the GW regular codex crap. I know right now they did those Liber Astartes and Liber Hereticus but that reminds me of when they came out with a new release of 40k and did those indexes which were only good for like a few months while they released codexes for each army.

Honestly the box set looks like a decent value or starting point but I am still kinda fearing GW will do the GW thing.

Anyone know if they will go the codex route with HH?

Those two main books are your army books. Do you really think each single legion will get a dedicated book? That would be 18 books! No one will support such crap in the community. It would be even worse than Bookromunda.
We will get in a couple of months Cults/Militia and Mechanicum. And that´s it. There will be no need to turn your gaming room into a library. This is the main advantage of 30K over 40K: Less factions which warrant more fun.

LOL well see if GW let's that stand and for how long.

Their primary purpose seems to be to sell dead trees, but I hope they can restrain themselves this time.

Boosykes wrote:
LOL well see if GW let's that stand and for how long.

You do know the Liber books aren't like the 8th Ed Indexes right? They're the full package of units and army rules. For all intents and purposes, these are the Codex equivalents.

 Gert wrote:
Man the entitlement is real.

How dare people want to be able to model what's in the rules.

This is the kind of gak that led to no model/no rule, or did you forget that

 Matrindur wrote:
Seems like somebody made a mistake and uploaded the plastic Predator trailer

I'm not actually sure it's a mistake - there's been an issue recently with film and game trailers where it appears there are people in some Eastern territories who have admin access at YouTube as staffers selling or leaking access to videos that have been uploaded and kept private so they're ready to go when the reveal is. It looks to me like like this might be a repeat of that situation.

I am quite surprised Google haven't got a grip on it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
How dare people want to be able to model what's in the rules.

This is the kind of gak that led to no model/no rule, or did you forget that

1 - You can buy the Infernus and the Executioner variants off FW.
2 - HH is a month old and not every single kit under the sun is going to be out within a month.
3 - The kit is giving half the turret options and all of the sponson options.
4 - Get off the NMNR train because so far it hasn't applied to HH.

 Gert wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
How dare people want to be able to model what's in the rules.

This is the kind of gak that led to no model/no rule, or did you forget that

1 - You can buy the Infernus and the Executioner variants off FW.
2 - HH is a month old and not every single kit under the sun is going to be out within a month.
3 - The kit is giving half the turret options and all of the sponson options.
4 - Get off the NMNR train because so far it hasn't applied to HH.

Look who you're replying to.... save your keystrokes.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Gert wrote:
Man the entitlement is real.

How dare people want to be able to model what's in the rules.

This is the kind of gak that led to no model/no rule, or did you forget that

On the other side, we don't know what else is coming with a kit that hasn't been officially shown yet. People really, really need to chill out. It's pretty clear from what we have so far that this release is being handled with a different philosophy when compared to their other two games.

One big thing to note is that the Liber books are written in an entirely different, and more adult way than the 40K recent materials have been. To me, that signals a different philosophy from the design perspective. I never in a million years expected to the see the heavy weapon and special weapon upgrade sprues. Something I've long thought should be the standard for their games. Let's see what happens.

 Gert wrote:
4 - Get off the NMNR train because so far it hasn't applied to HH.

Can Techmarines losing Conversion beamers and Indomitus Terminators losing some of their options be considered NMNR?

 Togusa wrote:
On the other side, we don't know what else is coming with a kit that hasn't been officially shown yet. People really, really need to chill out. It's pretty clear from what we have so far that this release is being handled with a different philosophy when compared to their other two games.

One big thing to note is that the Liber books are written in an entirely different, and more adult way than the 40K recent materials have been. To me, that signals a different philosophy from the design perspective. I never in a million years expected to the see the heavy weapon and special weapon upgrade sprues. Something I've long thought should be the standard for their games. Let's see what happens.

I think if the kit had more options it would'a been in the trailer.

You are very much correct in that there is a different philosophy for either game, with HH being clearly superior. Insectum and many others have been praising the sheer amount of options in the Liber books, and having finally had a chance to look at them yesterday it is staggering just how much stuff is in there.

Meanwhile, my Chaos Codex just arrived, and they ain't even got lightning claws in the HTH weapon list.

beast_gts wrote:
Can Techmarines losing Conversion beamers and Indomitus Terminators losing some of their options be considered NMNR?

The former maybe but the latter IMO no mostly because Terminators as a whole have been changed from one shared entry into separate ones and Indomitus also gained some options in return.
I also want to point out that being extremely picky for unit options instead of units doesn't prove NMNR, especially when there is a whole PDF with stuff that doesn't have models but does have rules (regardless of how good or bad those rules may be).

It appears there are 3 different mounting plates/mantlets for the turret weapons with the volkite and twin liked lascannons sharing one. Hopefully all will be mangetisable.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
On the other side, we don't know what else is coming with a kit that hasn't been officially shown yet. People really, really need to chill out. It's pretty clear from what we have so far that this release is being handled with a different philosophy when compared to their other two games.

One big thing to note is that the Liber books are written in an entirely different, and more adult way than the 40K recent materials have been. To me, that signals a different philosophy from the design perspective. I never in a million years expected to the see the heavy weapon and special weapon upgrade sprues. Something I've long thought should be the standard for their games. Let's see what happens.

I think if the kit had more options it would'a been in the trailer.

You are very much correct in that there is a different philosophy for either game, with HH being clearly superior. Insectum and many others have been praising the sheer amount of options in the Liber books, and having finally had a chance to look at them yesterday it is staggering just how much stuff is in there.

Meanwhile, my Chaos Codex just arrived, and they ain't even got lightning claws in the HTH weapon list.

Told you that you'd like it. Just wait until you see the Core rules. That's when you'll really realize just how much better the HH writers are compared to the 40k team.

I think they will go the Leman Russ route of two kits with different weapon options.
(Same with the Leviathan with a shooty and a melee version)
Now whether they both release at the same time or the second one will come later no idea.
(Also if both will be available from FLGS or if one will be direct only)

It could go either way on the turret options. There are 4 pictures, one with each of the sponson options. All Las, which is new for heresy, all volkite since choom, classic autocannon and heavy bolter, and then flamer sponsons with conversion beamer. If there was a flame turret they could have shown it on the flame sponson picture, but then there would be 3 pics of all the same load outs.

There is plenty of room on the sprue for all the guns. The rhino hatch sprue is only half size, and that is taken up with doors and top hatches, which could be combined with the side and top hulls for the rhino version. The sponsons are a separate sprue, leaving plenty of space for the single turret and multiple guns and mantlets.

The pics also don't show any pintle mounted weapons, so it would also be possible to extrapolate that the kit included just hatches and no accessory sprue.