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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Do. Not. Ever. Tell. The. Next. Person. How. To. Spend. Their. Money.

Everyone's an expert at how to spend other people's money!

Pfffrrrrtttt

Had notification by Leviathan has shipped. I’m well excited to get it built! Strongly tempted by a Dread army, and an Iron Wing too. I’m much happier painting big models.

 Gert wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
In contrast spending an overabundance of cash on FW products is not a sign of maturity. It´s rather the opposite.

Correct it is not.
However, complaining that FW still makes kits despite being told at the very beginning of the new edition and introduction of more plastic is very much a childish thing to do. You aren't complaining about legitimate problems such as lack of products or no rules support, you're just complaining that you can't get all the things the way you want them.

It is a legitimate concern for all consumers. We want affordable plastic kits and not this overpriced resin junk that is difficult to work with. GW turned already a couple of models into plastic. Why not the rest? It´s a bad business decision. And shaming people who want a better deal is not the way to win a discussion. It´s the way to lose it:

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser."

-Socrates-


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Do. Not. Ever. Tell. The. Next. Person. How. To. Spend. Their. Money.

Everyone's an expert at how to spend other people's money!

Since when is throwing money out of the window sound advice?!

The sound of coins breaking glass is quite lovely.

 Strg Alt wrote:
It is a legitimate concern for all consumers. We want affordable plastic kits and not this overpriced resin junk that is difficult to work with. GW turned already a couple of models into plastic. Why not the rest? It´s a bad business decision.

Exactly, GW turned a very small portion of the HH catalogue into plastic because that's how you start a product line. You don't throw everything over on a system adapted from a semi-popular side game because that is bad business sense.
HH 2 has been out for a little under two months and while it might be a good game, it's not going to come close to 40k or even AoS in terms of selling power so moving everything over would be financial idiocy. You don't over-invest and that's what you're asking for.

And shaming people who want a better deal is not the way to win a discussion. It´s the way to lose it:

I'm shaming entitled children. HH just got the biggest boost to accessibility it's had since BaC and yet people like you are still finding ways to complain because nothing is ever good enough. Nobody is forcing you to buy the Emperor's Children Praetor model because there are plenty of plastic alternatives to use instead. You're complaining because GW hasn't swapped an entire model range overnight into a different material for a system that has only just been given mainline status and support.

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"- Costumes must not be comprised, in whole or in part, of any real (or realistic) equipment of any military unit in existence after 1900. This especially applies to camouflage clothing, helmets etc."

Smart

So are plastic MKIIIs EVER going to be available?

 GrosseSax wrote:
So are plastic MKIIIs EVER going to be available?

Well they were when Burning of Prospero was a thing. I'd like for that to get reprinted.

EviscerationPlague wrote:

Well they were when Burning of Prospero was a thing. I'd like for that to get reprinted.

Me too! I hear that was pretty good.

It was a step down from BaC due to the Custodes, Sisters of Silence and named characters. BaC was much better as a generic box. Didn't stop our group from buying about 5 BoP with our Tsons player getting nearly all the Ahrimen.

Oh I see.

My brother was a Space Wolves player, while I've had an interest in Thousand Sons for a long while. I suppose there is at least the two HQs available...

For Wolves and Tsons it was a good start but even then most people in our group were trying to find ways of ditching the Custodes and especially the Sisters.
Sisters of Silence have been done really badly in HH whereas due to the 40k additions Custodes have soared. To run a pure 3k SoS army in HH 1 you had to use every single slot available and take every single upgrade for all your units. Custodes did not have that problem.

Almost like they werent designed to be a pure army in HH, but an addition to the Custodes. Hence the list being "The Talons of the Emperor"

Yeah but you can run both lists separately as they were still independent organisations. SoS have the ability to be run as a pure army just as Custodes do but it's just nowhere near as good. They just never got the love the Custodes got from both GW and FW.

 GaroRobe wrote:
"- Costumes must not be comprised, in whole or in part, of any real (or realistic) equipment of any military unit in existence after 1900. This especially applies to camouflage clothing, helmets etc."

Smart

And also not new.

 GrosseSax wrote:
So are plastic MKIIIs EVER going to be available?

I'm having a hard time finding Terminators myself. Anyone know if they're being repacked or something? And MKIII would be welcome, seem more popular than MK VI.

 Ohman wrote:

 GrosseSax wrote:
So are plastic MKIIIs EVER going to be available?

I'm having a hard time finding Terminators myself. Anyone know if they're being repacked or something? And MKIII would be welcome, seem more popular than MK VI.

Betting Tartaros and Cataphractii are going to 10 man boxes

I got my pack of 20 mkIII marines from Dark Sphere yesterday. IIRC the street date for them was Saturday.

Deimos Rhino finally back in stock at GW online store! Bought one for my Angels. Go get em folks!

Got me Leviathan in hand. Time to build it and figure out how best to make the weapons interchangeable.

Not fussed for the Heavy Flamers so gonna stick with Volkite for the CHOOM. But the arms? I want opitons,

 Gert wrote:
I'm shaming entitled children.

Imagine finger-wagging at strangers on the internet.

JSG wrote:

 Gert wrote:
I'm shaming entitled children.

Imagine finger-wagging at strangers on the internet.

And for such an absurd reason "well it's always sucked like this, so you shouldn't expect any better!", lol.

I ended up not buying the Age of Darkness set because I did the calcs on how much it'd cost to assemble an army and in spite of AoD being a good deal in and of itself, the game as a whole is still bloody expensive and having FW doesn't help that.

I am, however, always torn. Resin models do look nicer, so if I wanted to paint something purely as a display piece, I don't mind it being resin.

 Gert wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
It is a legitimate concern for all consumers. We want affordable plastic kits and not this overpriced resin junk that is difficult to work with. GW turned already a couple of models into plastic. Why not the rest? It´s a bad business decision.

Exactly, GW turned a very small portion of the HH catalogue into plastic because that's how you start a product line. You don't throw everything over on a system adapted from a semi-popular side game because that is bad business sense.
HH 2 has been out for a little under two months and while it might be a good game, it's not going to come close to 40k or even AoS in terms of selling power so moving everything over would be financial idiocy. You don't over-invest and that's what you're asking for.

And shaming people who want a better deal is not the way to win a discussion. It´s the way to lose it:

I'm shaming entitled children. HH just got the biggest boost to accessibility it's had since BaC and yet people like you are still finding ways to complain because nothing is ever good enough. Nobody is forcing you to buy the Emperor's Children Praetor model because there are plenty of plastic alternatives to use instead. You're complaining because GW hasn't swapped an entire model range overnight into a different material for a system that has only just been given mainline status and support.

You don´t seem to learn. Ignored.

 Strg Alt wrote:

 Gert wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
It is a legitimate concern for all consumers. We want affordable plastic kits and not this overpriced resin junk that is difficult to work with. GW turned already a couple of models into plastic. Why not the rest? It´s a bad business decision.

Exactly, GW turned a very small portion of the HH catalogue into plastic because that's how you start a product line. You don't throw everything over on a system adapted from a semi-popular side game because that is bad business sense.
HH 2 has been out for a little under two months and while it might be a good game, it's not going to come close to 40k or even AoS in terms of selling power so moving everything over would be financial idiocy. You don't over-invest and that's what you're asking for.

And shaming people who want a better deal is not the way to win a discussion. It´s the way to lose it:

I'm shaming entitled children. HH just got the biggest boost to accessibility it's had since BaC and yet people like you are still finding ways to complain because nothing is ever good enough. Nobody is forcing you to buy the Emperor's Children Praetor model because there are plenty of plastic alternatives to use instead. You're complaining because GW hasn't swapped an entire model range overnight into a different material for a system that has only just been given mainline status and support.

You don´t seem to learn. Ignored.

It is a fair point that you can't expect all of FW's biggest and most popular kits into plastic in a fortnight. We'll definitely be seeing more and more kits get the plastic treatment over the next few months.

I'm in broad agreement. I've said it before, I find the impatience expressed by many people to be quite misplaced to say the least.

JWBS wrote:
I'm in broad agreement. I've said it before, I find the impatience expressed by many people to be quite misplaced to say the least.

On stuff not officially shown off? Sure. I’d bloody love the majority of the Heresy range from FW to cross the Rubicon Plasticaris. But I get it takes time and some level of prioritisation. The latter being something we can totally bore each other to death on.

But the stuff they’ve made a show and dance of? Just. Release. It. Already.

Frankly I completly understand why people are frustrated, HH is notorious for it's painfully slow relases in general, sometimes it can take months upon months for something to finally be released after it's been revealed.

As I said before, save the reveals for a week before. They aren't going to lose any sales. Bet they lose more sales dragging it out.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Frankly I completly understand why people are frustrated, HH is notorious for it's painfully slow relases in general, sometimes it can take months upon months for something to finally be released after it's been revealed.

Personally, I'm just tired of shoulder pads and hats. Nothing but the first two (IF and Sons) have been released, and they're going to keep wasting thursdays showing off the next 11? 12? Already bored of that. What tanks are we getting? Which variants and guns? That's at least worthwhile to find out...