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Geifer wrote: I suspect the grooves are fine at actual model size, especially for painters who don't subscribe to the two thin coats mantra. My issue with this style of upgrade is more that the Mk.VI Marines are not just generic but overall so bland that when you introduce a massive amount of detail on at most two upgrade parts that is a stylistic departure from the rest of the model, the model is going to look disjointed. That's the impression I'm getting from the example model, even after the decals on the legs.
Exactly this! I've always thought a MKVI armour is all about that tacticool minimalism. Overly busy looking details look much better with MKII, MKIII & MKV IMO
Based on Rogue Trader, I think overly busy details on MkVI is par for the course.
Alpha Legion and Raven Guard are the only upgrade sets left now right?
I wonder what they plan to do for Thursdays after they can no longer pad out the occasional tank with upgrade sets.
They could either find something else to pad them out (Maybe start a whole rotation of torsos next)
Or stop doing them weekly since I would be surprised if they have enough normal releases to show off something every week
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Matrindur wrote: Alpha Legion and Raven Guard are the only upgrade sets left now right?
I wonder what they plan to do for Thursdays after they can no longer pad out the occasional tank with upgrade sets.
They could either find something else to pad them out (Maybe start a whole rotation of torsos next)
Or stop doing them weekly since I would be surprised if they have enough normal releases to show off something every week
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Geifer wrote: I suspect the grooves are fine at actual model size, especially for painters who don't subscribe to the two thin coats mantra. My issue with this style of upgrade is more that the Mk.VI Marines are not just generic but overall so bland that when you introduce a massive amount of detail on at most two upgrade parts that is a stylistic departure from the rest of the model, the model is going to look disjointed. That's the impression I'm getting from the example model, even after the decals on the legs.
Exactly this! I've always thought a MKVI armour is all about that tacticool minimalism. Overly busy looking details look much better with MKII, MKIII & MKV IMO
Based on Rogue Trader, I think overly busy details on MkVI is par for the course.
Agree to disagree, unless you are referring to painted on details or Kevin O Neill influenced edgy texts painted on the armour. Attached is the original technical drawing of MKVI, which is as close to canon as we can get. Illustrations are always interpretations of the material, artists take creative freedoms, technical drawings do not
Speaking of Heresy Thursdays, it's possible that WHC will stop doing those in 2023; might have just been an AoD launch year thing
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"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
Matrindur wrote: Alpha Legion and Raven Guard are the only upgrade sets left now right?
I wonder what they plan to do for Thursdays after they can no longer pad out the occasional tank with upgrade sets.
They could either find something else to pad them out (Maybe start a whole rotation of torsos next)
Or stop doing them weekly since I would be surprised if they have enough normal releases to show off something every week
Still several legions need Praetors, even more Mark VI ones. That will likely keep them going for a while.
Geifer wrote: I suspect the grooves are fine at actual model size, especially for painters who don't subscribe to the two thin coats mantra. My issue with this style of upgrade is more that the Mk.VI Marines are not just generic but overall so bland that when you introduce a massive amount of detail on at most two upgrade parts that is a stylistic departure from the rest of the model, the model is going to look disjointed. That's the impression I'm getting from the example model, even after the decals on the legs.
Exactly this! I've always thought a MKVI armour is all about that tacticool minimalism. Overly busy looking details look much better with MKII, MKIII & MKV IMO
Based on Rogue Trader, I think overly busy details on MkVI is par for the course.
Agree to disagree, unless you are referring to painted on details or Kevin O Neill influenced edgy texts painted on the armour. Attached is the original technical drawing of MKVI, which is as close to canon as we can get. Illustrations are always interpretations of the material, artists take creative freedoms, technical drawings do not
Speaking of Heresy Thursdays, it's possible that WHC will stop doing those in 2023; might have just been an AoD launch year thing
That “technical drawing” is just as much an artistic interpretation as any other piece of art, seeing as there’s no real armour to make technical drawings of.
Personally, my favourite depiction of marines has always been Wil Rees’ illustrations from Rogue Trader. No mini has ever come close to how good they look.
tauist wrote: Speaking of Heresy Thursdays, it's possible that WHC will stop doing those in 2023; might have just been an AoD launch year thing.
Exemplary battles will keep going until the last Legion gets a unit, then there are Praetors for each Legion, possibly more FW Consul models, new additional Characters (like Argel Tal), and whatever releases are coming for the game next year.
Speaking of Heresy Thursdays, it's possible that WHC will stop doing those in 2023; might have just been an AoD launch year thing
Depends as there is also related content from Titanicus and Aeronautica. Then there's word round the campfire that Epic 30K might be a thing next year.
Speaking of Heresy Thursdays, it's possible that WHC will stop doing those in 2023; might have just been an AoD launch year thing
Depends as there is also related content from Titanicus and Aeronautica. Then there's word round the campfire that Epic 30K might be a thing next year.
Epic Thursdays in 2023? I'd love that! However, I'm still not 100% convinced Epic is coming, as much as I'd love it to be true..
Geifer wrote: I suspect the grooves are fine at actual model size, especially for painters who don't subscribe to the two thin coats mantra. My issue with this style of upgrade is more that the Mk.VI Marines are not just generic but overall so bland that when you introduce a massive amount of detail on at most two upgrade parts that is a stylistic departure from the rest of the model, the model is going to look disjointed. That's the impression I'm getting from the example model, even after the decals on the legs.
Exactly this! I've always thought a MKVI armour is all about that tacticool minimalism. Overly busy looking details look much better with MKII, MKIII & MKV IMO
Based on Rogue Trader, I think overly busy details on MkVI is par for the course.
Agree to disagree, unless you are referring to painted on details or Kevin O Neill influenced edgy texts painted on the armour. Attached is the original technical drawing of MKVI, which is as close to canon as we can get. Illustrations are always interpretations of the material, artists take creative freedoms, technical drawings do not
Speaking of Heresy Thursdays, it's possible that WHC will stop doing those in 2023; might have just been an AoD launch year thing
That “technical drawing” is just as much an artistic interpretation as any other piece of art, seeing as there’s no real armour to make technical drawings of.
Personally, my favourite depiction of marines has always been Wil Rees’ illustrations from Rogue Trader. No mini has ever come close to how good they look.
Yeah well sure, its all make believe stuff about toy soldiers at the end, but I personally consider these faux technical drawings to be more "realistic" depictions of the stuff than all the other types of illustrations in 40K. As in, they try to show you what an item actually looks like, whereas other types of illustrations just aim at a cool picture, not necessarily trying to depict anything "realistically". I wish the Imperial Armour books had technical drawings of every model in the game, they are my fave bit about the books.
BTW, which Wil Rees illustrations are you referring to?
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"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
Speaking of Heresy Thursdays, it's possible that WHC will stop doing those in 2023; might have just been an AoD launch year thing
Depends as there is also related content from Titanicus and Aeronautica. Then there's word round the campfire that Epic 30K might be a thing next year.
Epic Thursdays in 2023? I'd love that! However, I'm still not 100% convinced Epic is coming, as much as I'd love it to be true..
Geifer wrote: I suspect the grooves are fine at actual model size, especially for painters who don't subscribe to the two thin coats mantra. My issue with this style of upgrade is more that the Mk.VI Marines are not just generic but overall so bland that when you introduce a massive amount of detail on at most two upgrade parts that is a stylistic departure from the rest of the model, the model is going to look disjointed. That's the impression I'm getting from the example model, even after the decals on the legs.
Exactly this! I've always thought a MKVI armour is all about that tacticool minimalism. Overly busy looking details look much better with MKII, MKIII & MKV IMO
Based on Rogue Trader, I think overly busy details on MkVI is par for the course.
Agree to disagree, unless you are referring to painted on details or Kevin O Neill influenced edgy texts painted on the armour. Attached is the original technical drawing of MKVI, which is as close to canon as we can get. Illustrations are always interpretations of the material, artists take creative freedoms, technical drawings do not
Speaking of Heresy Thursdays, it's possible that WHC will stop doing those in 2023; might have just been an AoD launch year thing
That “technical drawing” is just as much an artistic interpretation as any other piece of art, seeing as there’s no real armour to make technical drawings of.
Personally, my favourite depiction of marines has always been Wil Rees’ illustrations from Rogue Trader. No mini has ever come close to how good they look.
Yeah well sure, its all make believe stuff about toy soldiers at the end, but I personally consider these faux technical drawings to be more "realistic" depictions of the stuff than all the other types of illustrations in 40K. As in, they try to show you what an item actually looks like, whereas other types of illustrations just aim at a cool picture, not necessarily trying to depict anything "realistically". I wish the Imperial Armour books had technical drawings of every model in the game, they are my fave bit about the books.
BTW, which Wil Rees illustrations are you referring to?
The ones from Rogue Trader. Best version of marines ever (imho)
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Tastes are subjective. While I like the style (it has this sort of timeless lithographic quality to it), I never liked the way he depicted Marines, looks like warp-twisted CSM stuff
"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
tauist wrote: Tastes are subjective. While I like the style (it has this sort of timeless lithographic quality to it), I never liked the way he depicted Marines, looks like warp-twisted CSM stuff
That art looks like it inspired the aliens in Fifth Element
Matrindur wrote: Alpha Legion and Raven Guard are the only upgrade sets left now right?
I wonder what they plan to do for Thursdays after they can no longer pad out the occasional tank with upgrade sets.
They could either find something else to pad them out (Maybe start a whole rotation of torsos next)
Or stop doing them weekly since I would be surprised if they have enough normal releases to show off something every week
(finally) put out a mark V kit, then start all over with super-specific mk v helmets and pads.
Voss wrote: (finally) put out a mark V kit, then start all over with super-specific mk v helmets and pads.
Why do we even need it, again? If you need a box of mixed armour, Tactical Squad box is perfectly fine for it. Especially seeing 'production' Mk V was very similar to Mk VII, round knee pads included. All you need is a small sprue of Mk V helmets and extra riveted pads and it's good to go...
It's not really. MkV has a lot of bonding studs all over the armour (kind of its defining feature), has a MkVI power pack, MkVI shoulder pads, MkIV chest rig, and the cables on the thigh armour from MkII, as well as additional cables on the arms.
Out of the box, the 40k Tactical kit isn't good unless you start mixing stuff from older patterns in at which point there's no reason to get the 40k Tacticals.
The studs everywhere would make a plastic Mk5 kit quite annoying to build if made to the same standard as the Mk6. I don't fancy the idea of 2-piece thighs and 4-piece torsos...
Gert wrote: Much as I like MkV, MkII seems like the next step.
They do already have some of the assets made thanks to the tank crew sprue. I'm still thinking that Mk II will be eased into, rather than a squad box. Like a Rapier gun battery with Mk II crew first.
I'd be surprised if we got another armour set any time soon, at best I'd say a year after the initial release of the plastic MkVI. Jetbikes are likely next alongside any other Rhino and Spartan variant kits
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Regarding new power armour kits, I don't see much point in a Mk II kit - it looks too similar to Mk III. Much as Mk V is too similar to Mk VI (with lots of extra studs, which would be super-annoying to build), so I don't think that's likely either.
It appears that many players would love to see the assault troops in up-scaled Mk III or Mk VI armour, but Mk III isn't regarded as suitable for jump packs (it's mostly associated with Breachers) and I can't see them replacing either of the existing kits so quickly. So I think the assault troops will also be in Mk VI armour, on the basis that the bodies will be interchangeable with the current models. I would also bet that the jetbike riders will be Mk VI as well.
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The Marine armor was built to add whatever you could to it. If you find older plates, you can tack them in, if you have another older helmet, your able to wear it.
The farm fresh marines are still trying to fit into the Codex Astartes, so I can understand the reluctance to get down and dirty. I'd expect that to start showing up in the newer books later next year.
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Snord wrote: Regarding new power armour kits, I don't see much point in a Mk II kit - it looks too similar to Mk III.
Mk II looking so close to Mk III is why they'll do it. Despite complaints about upscaling most people will still rebuy them to avoid having 'manlets' and then when upscaled MK III comes along in the far future they'll rebuy them again because Mk III is what they wanted anyway.
Snord wrote: Regarding new power armour kits, I don't see much point in a Mk II kit - it looks too similar to Mk III.
Mk II looking so close to Mk III is why they'll do it. Despite complaints about upscaling most people will still rebuy them to avoid having 'manlets' and then when upscaled MK III comes along in the far future they'll rebuy them again because Mk III is what they wanted anyway.
You can get upscaled Mk3 from Tortuga Studios if that's your fancy. That's what I'm working with, and I tossed out my entire Marine project to restart when I discovered them.
