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Is there a chance the tactical squad sergeant can use that volkite pistol or is he doomed to weird a plasma pistol for lever? Also, it’s surprising that the chain sword is right handed. Usually melee weapons are in the left hand, though it could have been due to the mk6 sergeant already having a sculpted right handed weapon
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The bikes look great, but yeah the riders are very static. On the plus side, it does lend the models to being easily converted (throw mk3 or mk4 torso or shoulder pads or helmet or whatever on there).
Pluses and minuses to be sure for both dynamic and static looking models.
lord_blackfang wrote: GW hasn't made a mini with a sense of motion in 15 years so that's a weird complaint.
Funny thing is, the new eldar windriders and shining spears achieved far more sense of motion and speed just by having the riders leaning forvard, compared to the older static sculpts that, yeah, looked alot like these skyhunters.
Apparently the sculpting team forgot this "design hack".
Another simple detail would be adding some flag or cloth trailing behind in the wind (also used in the eldar designs).
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Mr_Rose wrote: Only real OGs know that the Necrons awoke because the Diggas on Angelus pledged all humans everywhere to their service while exploring deep inside the pyramids they lived within.
Lore was a lot more fun before wikis and ebay and
Spoiler:
(illegal downloads)
you'd know what you knew, or half remembered and what some guy in the gaming shop said, who may or may not have made it up. Man I remember some ass at the gaming shop claiming that the Ultra Marines were a second founding army who replaced the original ones who fell to Chaos, and lived on Dune with sandworms and had a half Elf psyker and stuff.
Very happy to see these, I think they look great and we are one step closer to a plastic Xiphon Interceptor. Assuming that we will see Javelins released later in the year as well.
Great. Been waiting for these. Love that they've gone for a more retroish plasma cannon look, although it does make the bike look a bit front heavy. Not real keen on the riders being MkVI, but that was inevitable I guess. Now I'm not sure whether i'm hoping they release a add-on pack of MkII/III/IV riders for them or not. I'd be nice to have a choice of rider armour, but I don't like the direction they've taken heresy with all the add-on packs for kits that should have been in the base kit to begin with.
Zooooooom.......M16, Deep Striking multi-meltas? Yes please! And Hit and Run with +3 to charge distance makes for an excellent "first charger" unit. Who needs Heavy Support slots?
lord_blackfang wrote: GW hasn't made a mini with a sense of motion in 15 years so that's a weird complaint.
Funny thing is, the new eldar windriders and shining spears achieved far more sense of motion and speed just by having the riders leaning forvard, compared to the older static sculpts that, yeah, looked alot like these skyhunters.
Apparently the sculpting team forgot this "design hack".
Another simple detail would be adding some flag or cloth trailing behind in the wind (also used in the eldar designs).
That's exactly what I was thinking of. A simple lean forward, maybe the feat tucked back a little.
Dislike the cloth idea simply because it got really confused and muddled on some of the newer Eldar kits, like Jain Zar, where too many elements (loin cloth, spear tassels, legs, hair) are moving in different directions.
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Marine bikers have always had this stance. The sense of motion is conveyed by the massive great engine in front of the rider. If you want some floaty things flying behind him to enhance the idea that he's speeding along, then add them - it's a plastic kit, so modify it to suit your tastes. I plan to put Mk IV helmets on mine, just for variety, although the streamlined Mk IV actually makes more sense.
The one aspect of the kit that I dislike is the flying stand. I don't know what the thinking is behind this. Why is it angled forward, if it's meant to be 'invisible'? Why is it so spindly? They were going in a more sensible direction with the new Deffkoptas, which are attached to convenient bits of terrain.
Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Snord wrote: Marine bikers have always had this stance. The sense of motion is conveyed by the massive great engine in front of the rider.
A brick does not convey a sense of motion. A pose does.
It's just a different style bike. Eldar and Dark Eldar have the forwards leaning Kawasaki motorcycles, while Astartes lean back in these crusing style Harley Davidsons with big guns. For more dynamic charging bikes, the Scimitar is not it, you need the Bullock pattern.
Great to finally be getting something that's not a tank.
Definitely an interesting unit though, and iirc you can even put independent characters on these jetbikes (imagine that!) and take these up to squads of 10. That could be a scary, fast, beefy death star unit for White Scars or Emperor's Children.
I personally prefer the ground bikes, still hoping they get a plastic kit, but hey, this is big progress.
drbored wrote: Great to finally be getting something that's not a tank.
Definitely an interesting unit though, and iirc you can even put independent characters on these jetbikes (imagine that!) and take these up to squads of 10. That could be a scary, fast, beefy death star unit for White Scars or Emperor's Children.
I personally prefer the ground bikes, still hoping they get a plastic kit, but hey, this is big progress.
Keep in mind that jetbikes can't take special melee weapons. So while their baseline pistol + chainsword does allow them to bully weak units that don't want to be in CC (such as a heavy-support squad), they are absolutely not deathstar units.
But you can give them to a command squad - and by extension their praetor. That does make a menacing death star, but it's also obscenely expensive.
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Snord wrote: Marine bikers have always had this stance. The sense of motion is conveyed by the massive great engine in front of the rider.
A brick does not convey a sense of motion. A pose does.
It's just a different style bike. Eldar and Dark Eldar have the forwards leaning Kawasaki motorcycles, while Astartes lean back in these crusing style Harley Davidsons with big guns. For more dynamic charging bikes, the Scimitar is not it, you need the Bullock pattern.
Eldar used to have a laid back style too.
But it just looks weird. Even Harleys, people don't ride them laid back with almost entirely straight legs unless they've done some significant (and probably highly uncomfortable to ride) mods to them.
And supposedly Space Marines are still supposed to be fighting from their bikes, but the straight legs, the foot position significantly forward of the hand position, the tilted back torso, it makes them look like they'd struggle to move let alone swing a sword or an axe.
I don't think they need to be cafe racer style poses like the Dark Eldar or new Eldar, but something like a stock Harley rider pose, and then with some alternate legs that let you pose them leaning over one way or the other to swing their sword, aim their pistol, thrust with their lance, etc.
Snord wrote: Marine bikers have always had this stance. The sense of motion is conveyed by the massive great engine in front of the rider.
A brick does not convey a sense of motion. A pose does.
It's just a different style bike. Eldar and Dark Eldar have the forwards leaning Kawasaki motorcycles, while Astartes lean back in these crusing style Harley Davidsons with big guns. For more dynamic charging bikes, the Scimitar is not it, you need the Bullock pattern.
Eldar used to have a laid back style too.
But it just looks weird. Even Harleys, people don't ride them laid back with almost entirely straight legs unless they've done some significant (and probably highly uncomfortable to ride) mods to them.
And supposedly Space Marines are still supposed to be fighting from their bikes, but the straight legs, the foot position significantly forward of the hand position, the tilted back torso, it makes them look like they'd struggle to move let alone swing a sword or an axe.
I don't think they need to be cafe racer style poses like the Dark Eldar or new Eldar, but something like a stock Harley rider pose, and then with some alternate legs that let you pose them leaning over one way or the other to swing their sword, aim their pistol, thrust with their lance, etc.
I find the rather static poses of the imperial jetbikes rather fitting. After all, they're not the sleek racers of the Eldar or the techno-sorcery of the Necrons, but 'flying bricks' that stay afloat due to pure force, ridden by a two hundred kilo chunk of muscle that wears a fridge as an armor. Their pose reminds me of paintings like 'Death Dealer', of lazily circling sharks that prepare to snap out in a single decisive blow, of the single dragoon in the distance that has spotted you and will call up his comrades. They're still menacing, but in a way that is different from the thrill-kill-high-speed eldar.
Snord wrote: Marine bikers have always had this stance. The sense of motion is conveyed by the massive great engine in front of the rider.
A brick does not convey a sense of motion. A pose does.
It's just a different style bike. Eldar and Dark Eldar have the forwards leaning Kawasaki motorcycles, while Astartes lean back in these crusing style Harley Davidsons with big guns. For more dynamic charging bikes, the Scimitar is not it, you need the Bullock pattern.
Eldar used to have a laid back style too.
But it just looks weird. Even Harleys, people don't ride them laid back with almost entirely straight legs unless they've done some significant (and probably highly uncomfortable to ride) mods to them.
And supposedly Space Marines are still supposed to be fighting from their bikes, but the straight legs, the foot position significantly forward of the hand position, the tilted back torso, it makes them look like they'd struggle to move let alone swing a sword or an axe.
I don't think they need to be cafe racer style poses like the Dark Eldar or new Eldar, but something like a stock Harley rider pose, and then with some alternate legs that let you pose them leaning over one way or the other to swing their sword, aim their pistol, thrust with their lance, etc.
I find the rather static poses of the imperial jetbikes rather fitting. After all, they're not the sleek racers of the Eldar or the techno-sorcery of the Necrons, but 'flying bricks' that stay afloat due to pure force, ridden by a two hundred kilo chunk of muscle that wears a fridge as an armor. Their pose reminds me of paintings like 'Death Dealer', of lazily circling sharks that prepare to snap out in a single decisive blow, of the single dragoon in the distance that has spotted you and will call up his comrades. They're still menacing, but in a way that is different from the thrill-kill-high-speed eldar.
To me, it's just too far into the realm of weirdness for me to like. There's lazy, then there's lying down on the job, they don't look like they'll be doing any "snapping" of decisive blows when all they can do is awkwardly flail their weapons off to their sides (and not the good flailing ).
Look at Harley riders, that sort of pose would be fine, they don't need to be perched atop the jet bikes like the eldar, they don't need to come across as agilely dancing in top of their bikes.
You mention Death Dealer, a quick google image search shows him hunched over and passive, but not laid back awkwardly like these dudes are.
But at least having the ability to swing their sword as opposed to just awkwardly holding it off to the side would go a long way for me. The dude with the gun is the worst, he looks like he's about to fire a flare gun into the air without looking where it's going
Of course each to their own, if you like them you like them, that's fine, personally I think they've skidded past "lazily menacing" to "too laid back to fight".
Snord wrote: Marine bikers have always had this stance. The sense of motion is conveyed by the massive great engine in front of the rider.
A brick does not convey a sense of motion. A pose does.
It's just a different style bike. Eldar and Dark Eldar have the forwards leaning Kawasaki motorcycles, while Astartes lean back in these crusing style Harley Davidsons with big guns. For more dynamic charging bikes, the Scimitar is not it, you need the Bullock pattern.
Eldar used to have a laid back style too.
But it just looks weird. Even Harleys, people don't ride them laid back with almost entirely straight legs unless they've done some significant (and probably highly uncomfortable to ride) mods to them.
And supposedly Space Marines are still supposed to be fighting from their bikes, but the straight legs, the foot position significantly forward of the hand position, the tilted back torso, it makes them look like they'd struggle to move let alone swing a sword or an axe.
I don't think they need to be cafe racer style poses like the Dark Eldar or new Eldar, but something like a stock Harley rider pose, and then with some alternate legs that let you pose them leaning over one way or the other to swing their sword, aim their pistol, thrust with their lance, etc.
I find the rather static poses of the imperial jetbikes rather fitting. After all, they're not the sleek racers of the Eldar or the techno-sorcery of the Necrons, but 'flying bricks' that stay afloat due to pure force, ridden by a two hundred kilo chunk of muscle that wears a fridge as an armor. Their pose reminds me of paintings like 'Death Dealer', of lazily circling sharks that prepare to snap out in a single decisive blow, of the single dragoon in the distance that has spotted you and will call up his comrades. They're still menacing, but in a way that is different from the thrill-kill-high-speed eldar.
To me, it's just too far into the realm of weirdness for me to like. There's lazy, then there's lying down on the job, they don't look like they'll be doing any "snapping" of decisive blows when all they can do is awkwardly flail their weapons off to their sides (and not the good flailing ).
Look at Harley riders, that sort of pose would be fine, they don't need to be perched atop the jet bikes like the eldar, they don't need to come across as agilely dancing in top of their bikes.
You mention Death Dealer, a quick google image search shows him hunched over and passive, but not laid back awkwardly like these dudes are.
But at least having the ability to swing their sword as opposed to just awkwardly holding it off to the side would go a long way for me. The dude with the gun is the worst, he looks like he's about to fire a flare gun into the air without looking where it's going
Of course each to their own, if you like them you like them, that's fine, personally I think they've skidded past "lazily menacing" to "too laid back to fight".
The melee weapon thing is true, but then that's more a critique of the basic premise than specific to this model Anything but polearms would of course be extremely unpractical or flat-out impossible to use from these bike, and i don't think that cool poses would give you enough suspension of disbelief to not notice that. Maybe it would look okay with long-hafted weapons, like chain-/power axes, mauls or hammers. I agree that the standard poses look a little too static and silly, it remains to be seen what can be done with a quick torso or arm swap.
The Scimitar pattern is the one that FW and now GW have made, but it doesn't seem appropriate for use as a melee bike. It's big, heavy, and has a heavy weapon mounted in the nose. It's a one man attack bike.
