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 GaroRobe wrote:
EPIC has Rapier Batteries with mk 6 crews so I guess we can expect a plastic kit in the future

Rapiers are also shared by a lot of armies.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
EPIC has Rapier Batteries with mk 6 crews so I guess we can expect a plastic kit in the future

Rapiers are also shared by a lot of armies.

If they’re smart they’ll do a generic Rapier sprue with a separate “artillery crew” sprue for each army. These can then be reused on other plastic artillery.

Would crew really take up that much space to justify a sprue for each group or could they just make a crew sprue with two Astartes, two Auxilia, and maybe two generic militia types? Reduce number of boxes by selling a single Rapier box instead of a Rapier box for every group.

 GaroRobe wrote:
EPIC has Rapier Batteries with mk 6 crews so I guess we can expect a plastic kit in the future

I don't see why a plastic Epic kit would necessarily mean they're going to bring out a plastic 32mm version.

They brought out Plastic Thunderbolts, Xiphons, Warhounds, Thunderhawks in Epic scale... none of them translated to getting a 32mm version in plastic.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
EPIC has Rapier Batteries with mk 6 crews so I guess we can expect a plastic kit in the future

I don't see why a plastic Epic kit would necessarily mean they're going to bring out a plastic 32mm version.

They brought out Plastic Thunderbolts, Xiphons, Warhounds, Thunderhawks in Epic scale... none of them translated to getting a 32mm version in plastic.

Yet

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
EPIC has Rapier Batteries with mk 6 crews so I guess we can expect a plastic kit in the future

I don't see why a plastic Epic kit would necessarily mean they're going to bring out a plastic 32mm version.

They brought out Plastic Thunderbolts, Xiphons, Warhounds, Thunderhawks in Epic scale... none of them translated to getting a 32mm version in plastic.

Yet

Well it's been 4 years since the Thunderbolt came out, almost 5 years since the Warhound, I'd say if one comes out in plastic for 30k/40k now they'd be unrelated events.

Problem is, Epic scale -> 32mm scale means basically completely redesigning the model. Back when they released the Epic Warlord they said it had to be rebuilt from the ground up going from 40k to Epic, going the opposite way there is even less that's usable.

Also making a model in Epic scale... it's just going to be one tiny part of a sprue, probably minutes worth of machining time, it doesn't have to be broken down into lots of small components... basically it's way easier to create a new model for Epic than it is for 30k.

No One Important wrote:
Would crew really take up that much space to justify a sprue for each group or could they just make a crew sprue with two Astartes, two Auxilia, and maybe two generic militia types? Reduce number of boxes by selling a single Rapier box instead of a Rapier box for every group.

First it depends on how many rapiers you get in a box; three small sprues with three character sprues in a box (for example) is a pretty full box.
Second it’s very definitely against current practice at GW to put different factions on the same sprue outside of one-offs for launch/starter boxes.
Third, the “crew” sprue could also include accessories like ammo crates, targeters, vox units etc. so it could be larger than you think.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
EPIC has Rapier Batteries with mk 6 crews so I guess we can expect a plastic kit in the future

I don't see why a plastic Epic kit would necessarily mean they're going to bring out a plastic 32mm version.

They brought out Plastic Thunderbolts, Xiphons, Warhounds, Thunderhawks in Epic scale... none of them translated to getting a 32mm version in plastic.

Yet

Well it's been 4 years since the Thunderbolt came out, almost 5 years since the Warhound, I'd say if one comes out in plastic for 30k/40k now they'd be unrelated events.

Problem is, Epic scale -> 32mm scale means basically completely redesigning the model. Back when they released the Epic Warlord they said it had to be rebuilt from the ground up going from 40k to Epic, going the opposite way there is even less that's usable.

Also making a model in Epic scale... it's just going to be one tiny part of a sprue, probably minutes worth of machining time, it doesn't have to be broken down into lots of small components... basically it's way easier to create a new model for Epic than it is for 30k.

I mean, the warhound and Thunderhawk are both immense, so those I can't imagine those getting plastics even if the cad files existed. Kinda similar for the planes, but nowhere near is much. They're just niche choices in armies that already have plastic kits. Rapiers are are relatively small, smaller than the Guard field batteries, so that feels much more likely. Especially since you can sell them to: Legions, Solar Aux, milita, 40k Marines, CSM, *and* Guard.

Well we didn't get jetbike riders on a separate sprue to accomodate different armour marks later... :(

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well we didn't get jetbike riders on a separate sprue to accomodate different armour marks later... :(

Err...

 Nicky J wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well we didn't get jetbike riders on a separate sprue to accomodate different armour marks later... :(

Err...

Spoiler:

That could also be so they can reuse the rider sprue with outriders as well.

Two things can be true.

Boosykes wrote:Hate to say it but new mark 3 dosent look as good style wise as current mark 3. Perportionally it's much better but. Current mark 3 is near perfect style wise.

You've got a typo there. It should be "mark 6 is near perfect..."

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
EPIC has Rapier Batteries with mk 6 crews so I guess we can expect a plastic kit in the future

I don't see why a plastic Epic kit would necessarily mean they're going to bring out a plastic 32mm version.

They brought out Plastic Thunderbolts, Xiphons, Warhounds, Thunderhawks in Epic scale... none of them translated to getting a 32mm version in plastic.

The roadmap from Warhammer Fest has a mystery army for release late in the year (or early next year, I'd have to look it up). I believe at the time people thought Custodes were the most likely candidate, but seeing Solar Auxilia in new Epic popularized the idea that the mystery army is going to be that.

Given that Rapiers are small models and fit both Marines and Auxilia, I'm not surprised to see such speculation. It's not unreasonable if the new army needs its roster filled out to get something more than just it can use. That was the thought behind the Horus Heresy plastic kits after all. Legion agnostic stuff goes to plastic, legion specific stuff stays in resin. It's logical to assume that the principle extends beyond Marines.

 Nicky J wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well we didn't get jetbike riders on a separate sprue to accomodate different armour marks later... :(

Err...

Spoiler:

Seems I really haven't been paying attention!

 SgtEeveell wrote:

Boosykes wrote:Hate to say it but new mark 3 dosent look as good style wise as current mark 3. Perportionally it's much better but. Current mark 3 is near perfect style wise.

You've got a typo there. It should be "mark 6 is near perfect..."

Touche

Hey, did anyone else notice that the new Tiny Rapiers don’t look much like the “current” big ones?
Like, if anything, they look like a Cyclops demolition unit being driven backwards with a gun mounted on it.

Similarly the Tarantula turrets look quite different to the 28mm version.

If there is a plastic 28mm version of these somewhere on the roadmap, I’m interested for the updated aesthetic alone…

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Hey, did anyone else notice that the new Tiny Rapiers don’t look much like the “current” big ones?
Like, if anything, they look like a Cyclops demolition unit being driven backwards with a gun mounted on it.

I hadn't noticed, but well spotted. They look a lot like the AdMech Kataphron Breacher chassis, which some people have converted into Rapiers. It's no more than a feeling, but I do think it's likely that these Epic models (including the heavy Sentinel, Malcador and perhaps the Heresy-era LR) are precursors to larger versions being released in plastic - and that they will be part of a Solar Auxilia range.

By the way, is that Cerastus in the background a conversion?

It's one of the normal Cerastus with one of the Mechanicum Knight upgrade heads. Not sure if they are still sold.

 Gert wrote:
It's one of the normal Cerastus with one of the Mechanicum Knight upgrade heads. Not sure if they are still sold.

You can tell it's the resin one because the modeller just gave up on the ammo feed

Its why I've avoided them so far.

 Gert wrote:
Its why I've avoided them so far.

There exist good solutions for ammo feeds: just throw the resin piece away and buy a suitable rubber-over-wire replacement from a modelling aftermarket kit range of your choice. But of course that's a 'you' fix for a 'they' problem, and should frankly not be necessary at the prices FW demands

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
EPIC has Rapier Batteries with mk 6 crews so I guess we can expect a plastic kit in the future

I don't see why a plastic Epic kit would necessarily mean they're going to bring out a plastic 32mm version.

They brought out Plastic Thunderbolts, Xiphons, Warhounds, Thunderhawks in Epic scale... none of them translated to getting a 32mm version in plastic.

Yeah, but those weren't specifically for this game. And many of the models are clearly based on upcoming releases, from the assault squads, to the likely command set loadout. I could be wrong of course, but it's interesting they designed mk6 rapier crew

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Gert wrote:
It's one of the normal Cerastus with one of the Mechanicum Knight upgrade heads. Not sure if they are still sold.

You can tell it's the resin one because the modeller just gave up on the ammo feed

The ammo feed loops behind its leg and up into its "back". Or am I missing something about the ammo feed being a bit weird otherwise?

 Gert wrote:
It's one of the normal Cerastus with one of the Mechanicum Knight upgrade heads. Not sure if they are still sold.

Looks like the Atrapos kit but with the Acheron Arms

The Atrapos is a Cerastus mate. The bodies are all the same.

 Gert wrote:
The Atrapos is a Cerastus mate. The bodies are all the same.

But all the armor plates are different, not just the head.

Maybe it is then. Can't really tell on the phone.

https://twitter.com/JoyToyWarhammer/status/1682559555446644736




Hmmm. I would not say not to a embiggened MkIII marine.