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 Gert wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
The price will still most probably make me cough blood, though.

I think FW will accept that as payment TBF.

I hope not. They should save their blood and other bodily fluids for painting the model

tneva82 wrote:
Recaster absolutely can afford to sell bad quality. Their profit comes from cutting all the expenses and selling cheaper than fw ever could without running red.

Price is selling point. Recaster can"t afford to spenm resources resulting inw price increasn.

This is very obvious to anybody that has a basic understanding of how the casting process works, and what the motivation for recasters is.

Unfortunately there are a lot of people who refuse to accept it, regardless of the logic behind it.

I'm not going to try and convince anybody else, I've realised that these conversations are a bit pointless. People will believe what they will, logic and reason be damned.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I'm not going to try and convince anybody else, I've realised that these conversations are a bit pointless. People will believe what they will, logic and reason be damned.

You stated today that the business you like puts in high effort because they want to make money, and that the business you don't like puts in low effort because they want to make money.

The voice of logic and reason, everybody

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I'm not going to try and convince anybody else, I've realised that these conversations are a bit pointless. People will believe what they will, logic and reason be damned.

You stated today that the business you like puts in high effort because they want to make money, and that the business you don't like puts in low effort because they want to make money.

The voice of logic and reason, everybody

Quote me where I said that

You can't, because You've just made it up.

I never once mentioned "high effort" from FW or "low effort" from anybody else.

I don't mind a genuine discussion, but you are embarrasing yourself

Edit: I also never said that I like or dislike any company. Are you high, dude?

This is nothing to do with companies that I like or dislike, it's about how a copy of a copy is not going to be better than the original

If you want to tell me why this statement is wrong, go ahead

you claimed that the low paid GW worker does his job with a passion
while the low paid chinese one does not

also recasters do not care about quality because they are cheap and they are making money by selling more

yet the logic does not apply because you are not selling more at a lower price if the models are bad
who wants to pay 50% of GW prices if you cannot use the models

and yes a lot of regular other companies have learned that lessons over time that "cheap" does not sell models in the long run if the quality is bad

and there is not a single recaster were people can buy, so if you are the one with bad quality, they by from someone else

those claims just tell me you never

 kodos wrote:
you claimed that the low paid GW worker does his job with a passion
while the low paid chinese one does not

What I said was "I do believe that someone who works for FW will, most likely, have a stronger attachment to the hobby than the average recaster in China, yeah, although I obviously can't provide any proof of that!"

Instead of you and Lord Blackfang putting words in my mouth, why don't you actually use the quote function? It has the feature of being way more accurate

 kodos wrote:
also recasters do not care about quality because they are cheap and they are making money by selling more

Show me where I said that "recasters don't care about the quality". Again, try using the quote function instead of warping my comments like a Storm Eagle side panel.
I implied that their main motivation was money, which is why they don't "re-model" or re-sculpt before they make every cast. Regardless, my whole argument was a copy isn't going to be better than the original, everything else is minor detail, IMHO

 kodos wrote:
yet the logic does not apply because you are not selling more at a lower price if the models are bad who wants to pay 50% of GW prices if you cannot use the models

Again, I never said they were bad, I refuted your ridiculous notion that usually copies are better than the original. How often am I going to have to repeat this? Also, stop it with the strawmen, it's tiresome

 kodos wrote:
and yes a lot of regular other companies have learned that lessons over time that "cheap" does not sell models in the long run if the quality is bad

and there is not a single recaster were people can buy, so if you are the one with bad quality, they by from someone else

those claims just tell me you never

Honestly, this last bit doesn't make a lot of sense to me, and the part that does is, once again, strawman argument.

Regardless, it's getting late, you're probably tired, I forgive you.

Can we get back to Horus Heresy News & Rumors please instead of the annual Forgeworld complaint marathon

Not really a news or rumor related thing, but the pre-orders for that new old flyer are up. Why does the GW instagram story say "Proof, that at last pigs can fly"?

Does Arvus mean pig in some language? Is it nicknamed the pig? Are the Solar Auxillia considered police?

Probably just alluding to the old "handles like a pig"/"Handles like a pig in gak" saying

tneva82 wrote:
Recaster absolutely can afford to sell bad quality. Their profit comes from cutting all the expenses and selling cheaper than fw ever could without running red.

Price is selling point. Recaster can"t afford to spenm resources resulting inw price increasn.

I would think that Forgeworld can’t afford to sell bad quality either, yet my naive forgeworld purchase of a MkIV dreadnought in my youth revealed to me a model straight from the designers that absolutely would not come close to fitting together.

There are absolutely recasters that are bad quality, worse than FW. But there is also cheap, good quality, potentially better than FW.

Lets get back to discussing the actual news and rumours for HH.

Exemplary Battles, Vol 1.

So..... Here's our new book. It features all the some of the Exemplary Battle stuff that we've been releasing as PDF but now you pay for it. And you get Fulgrims rules. And a new mission. And it's in book form. Money pls.

Revamped scenarios is nice and rules for the kinkier IIIrd Legion efficianados among you.
I'm interested to see the new rules for the Salamanders one because currently they're crap.

With a book this thick it could have been all of them with 100 pages to spare, not a random selection of 5 legions and no guarantee the ultra gakky units got fixed. What even is the rest of the book?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
What even is the rest of the book?

Pretty pictures?

Be nice if we knew what ‘special squads’ we’d get rules for, and whether or not they’re as pants-on-head dumb as the PDF iterations.

Most of that book will be lore and pictures, which is 100% cool in my books (hehe).


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 morganfreeman wrote:
Be nice if we knew what ‘special squads’ we’d get rules for, and whether or not they’re as pants-on-head dumb as the PDF iterations.

Considering the article mentions the Salamander unit and shows the Nemesis Destroyers, its very likely going to be redoes of the current EB stuff.

Yeah I'm cool with it being mostly art, as long as it's good art. If it's just the same battle-scapes as they use on in the Libers/Rulebook, i'll pass. Some new stuff would be nice.

FWIW, page count of the 2022 PDF Exemplary Battles included in this book :

Defence of Sotha (10 pages)

Siege of Hydra Cordatus (14 pages)

Battle of Armatura (15 pages)

Battle of Calth (15 pages)

Give or take a couple of pages, that's about half the book.

Adding a new scenario and Fulgrim, some painting and kitbashing (hey, the WarCom article says so..), some art/diorama spreads..

The wording in the article leads me to think that we'll get the exact same formations as in the PDF, but updated (except Sallies) :

These represent storied or elite formations specific to their Legion, with updated rules for the new edition – and entirely new rules for the Salamanders Sanctifier Squads.

Maybe they will make the Atramentar not be completely overcosted trash now that we have to buy their rules.

Are there any new units or armies coming out for this, or is this game just a half hearted attempt?

When I got in, I jumped in with both feet after picking up a couple of board games that had the mini's.

When I read through the book, there were snippets of ideas, that had a lack of discussion. THEN, when I picked up my Hereticus book, I was even more disappointed when there wasn't anything about the demon attachments.


Somewhere along the line, other then Space marines, there was a divergence of discussion.


Or is it just me. There's a full compliment book out there with Plastics, cultists, Demons, Titans, etc.. somewhere?

I'm almost ready to start playing 2d edition again with these mini's, and as much as I like some of these lickies and chewies, the game's lacking in a vision of a direction forward.

Snrub wrote:Yeah I'm cool with it being mostly art, as long as it's good art. If it's just the same battle-scapes as they use on in the Libers/Rulebook, i'll pass. Some new stuff would be nice.

Well, the WC article does say

They’re accompanied by modelling, kitbashing, and painting guides to complete the look.

Looks like the kind of stuff they used to have in the codices, eons ago.

They do point out there are special rules and Rites for Corrupted Emperor's Children in the book as well. So not just Fulgrim and a new Mission for the EC and then reprints of those select special units.

 Grot 6 wrote:
Or is it just me. There's a full compliment book out there with Plastics, cultists, Demons, Titans, etc.. somewhere?

Rules for Mechanicum, Knights, Titans, Custodes, Sisters of Silence, Solar Auxilia, and Militia are all out and available.

For HH1 armies, all that is missing are Shattered Legions, Blackshields (both of which are Legion army themes), and Daemons of the Ruinstorm.

 Grot 6 wrote:
Are there any new units or armies coming out for this, or is this game just a half hearted attempt?

Salamanders Sanctifiers and Fulgrim Transfigured. Also corrupted Emperor's Children rites of war if you count that.

Updates to the exemplary battle units too.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Maybe they will make the Atramentar not be completely overcosted trash now that we have to buy their rules.

Don't jinx it!

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Maybe they will make the Atramentar not be completely overcosted trash now that we have to buy their rules.

Don't jinx it!

litmus test ain't it.

Bit surprised that the existing EC vs WS exemplary battle (Kalium Gate) isn't included. Does this mean that Sunkillers are going to be printed separately another volume, or have they been put in here alongside the new exemplary battle and EC rules?

Fulgrim's release not being accompanied by the EC headlining an actual campaign book is a bit of a silly decision imo, though it may happen down the track. Very typical FW mixed bag release this.

Overall though absolutely ecstatic to be receiving later heresy EC rules, which is exactly how I want to play the legion - can't wait.

Bit annoying that this is totally different from the last supplement like GW can't even decide which horrible form of DLC treadmill to stick us on

I may pick it up, 3rd is my main so new ROWs for us,missions and fulgrim is enough for me to justify it at least.

Maybe cut out a few pages for mates who want their stuff.

Can't say I'm please about fulgrim being resin, those wings look super fragile. and it'll be the only deamon primarch in resin to... that's... annoying.