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 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Left handed people are more likely to be criminals, among other things...

It’s our sinister nature.

It was probably cheaper to order 20 right hand gun mounts than 18 right and 2 left.

Yes, I do get annoyed by ‘this cable joiner costs more because different colour’

Anyway. I just sold some of my AoS stuff to get two of the Battlegroup while they are still around.

I actually like the Archmagos’ slimmer and more efficient look. It feels more modern than the 40K ones. Personal opinion obviously.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Thanatar and the Mechanicum dice look great, but is that HQ model the same one that was revealed alongside the mechanicum plastic releases? It looks worse somehow..

It's even the same image.

Now I remembered it, they showed actual video footage of it back then. Which is why I remember it looking better than this pict. The angle in the photo must be rubbish

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Snord wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
In the grim darkness of the far future, there are no lefties.

I'm right-handed myself, but aren't lefties supposed to be more intelligent / creative? Perhaps the lefties are reserved for a better fate than being mere cannon fodder.

I’ve a feeling that’s long since been debunked as a thing. And was probably invented to make us lefties feel better about struggling to use simple items like scissors and tin openers 🤣🤣

I'm right-handed and found a way to use scissors with my left hand, it's rather easy. But lefties should be fine in the grim darkness of the far future. They just become Thallaxi.

 Dryaktylus wrote:
But lefties should be fine in the grim darkness of the far future. They just become Thallaxi.

I have sanction from the Omnissiah themself to use ANY AND ALL techniques, technologies, weapons and assets i deem nessecary to eliminate anything which would resist the great crusade.

That includes (but is not limited to) lefties, gingers, the Welsh, the Dutch, individuals with dwarfism, waterslide transfer decals, AI and psykers - so if i want to use nothing but cyborg lefties as my troop cohort of choice and you dont like that, you can enjoy your now-scheduled meeting with the Inquisition to explain why to someone who will listen.

(ooc)
The new units hint could be intresting - ive been wanting to see 'Iron Angel's, 'Black Widow's, 'Fire Wasp's and 'Blind Hunter's but if they dont make an appearance during the Schizm of Mars, we wont see them at all.

Knowing GW though? It'll be another traitor HQ choice and a couple of port-across models from the 40k mechanicus range with some alterations to the design like the sentinel walker and leman russ variants did.

Well Skitarii is something that people have asked as they did exist during Heresy (minus, Ironstrider).

Pretty sure those units you listed are titan legions, not units.

 Sotahullu wrote:
Well Skitarii is something that people have asked as they did exist during Heresy (minus, Ironstrider).

Skitarii were originally just the infantry of the Titan Legions (aka the Tech Guard) and not part of the greater Mechanicus. Then the Adeptus Mechanicus codex came out and they used the name for the infantry in that. So Forge World/the Specialist Games Team decided to call the TL infantry regiments “Secutarii” instead. So yes and also no. Plus the Secutarii are part of the Titan army list already.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Sotahullu wrote:
Well Skitarii is something that people have asked as they did exist during Heresy (minus, Ironstrider).

Skitarii were originally just the infantry of the Titan Legions (aka the Tech Guard) and not part of the greater Mechanicus. Then the Adeptus Mechanicus codex came out and they used the name for the infantry in that. So Forge World/the Specialist Games Team decided to call the TL infantry regiments “Secutarii” instead. So yes and also no. Plus the Secutarii are part of the Titan army list already.

Skitarii are referred to as the armies of the Adeptus Mechanicus at least as long ago as the 4th edition rulebook. 2nd edition featured Tech-Priest Squads as part of the Adeptus Mechanicus section of the Imperial Agents army list; the squad members have a basic human profile so appear to be forerunners of the Skitarii. I'm not sure exactly when the term came into use but it has certainly been applied to Adeptus Mechanicus troops beyond the Titan Legions for a long time.

Don't know when they came up with the term Skitarii. In the first Adeptus Titanicus several fighting forces of the Adeptus Mechanicus were mentioned, but only one named: the Adeptus Mechanicus Collegia Titanica. Shortly after we got the Legio Cybernetica and the Scutarii - the latter were indeed the associated troops and vehicles of the Titan Orders. In the 2nd edition of Epic Space Marine the Tech-Guard showed up - as better equipped but similiar organized Imperial Guard recruited from Forge worlds they also fought along the Titan Legions but also protected their Forge worlds and aided the Knight worlds.

Whatever. Reading the newest article to find out that the most important three events in the Martian Civil War are Marine actions my hopes for this book kind of narrowed.

Looks like a great book for Marines tho!

From memory, the term Skitarii turned up in the off-shoot magazine Firepower. They had Epic: 40,000 (aka 3rd edition) stats and I believe they were infantry for Knight armies.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Pretty sure those units you listed are titan legions, not units.

The 'Fire Wasp' is what threw you there: its originally the alter-name of Legio Ignatum but it is also the name of a purchasable unit in original Horus Heresy Zone Mortalis with 'Strategem Points'.
Its a flying drone with a flammenwerfer that space marines use to trigger enemy booby-traps in confined environments.

The 'Blind-Hunter' is an experimental creation of traitor Legio Cybernetica first used on Isstvan 5 to hunt down Corvus Corax and the last of the Raven Guard when the Cyber-Mastiffs failed to do so.

The 'Iron Angel' is some kind of anti-personnel heavy walker with four legs and the 'Black Widow' is a spiderey-like walker that were both in Black Library books - cant remember which ones though.

The Iron Angel could be the Onager???

An Onager-to-Iron Angel upgrade sprue would be very do-able and absolutely wanted by me.
Bravo sir.

Has the same feel as the Thallax-to-Ursarax upgrade sprue Matrindur had a bit back: it's so do-able i'd be surprised if they didn't.

Edit: just to clarify, the Onager Dunecrawler is much older than the great crusade and definetly exists in the inventories on Mars.

Dryaktylus wrote:
Whatever. Reading the newest article to find out that the most important three events in the Martian Civil War are Marine actions my hopes for this book kind of narrowed.

Hmm, looks to me like the first 2 scenarios are Loyalist Marines vs (Dark?) Mechanicum, and the 3rd is Custodes vs Who Knows. Have to get our dose of hot and steamy Salt & Pepper action somewhere else I guess.

 Sotahullu wrote:
Well Skitarii is something that people have asked as they did exist during Heresy (minus, Ironstrider).

As it stands, the secutarii rules account for radium carbines, and you don't have to take a titan in the titan detachment. So you can just take your skitarii+Marshal in a titan detachment, and then at minimum a Techpriest and two Troops. (Which, if someone new just wanted to get a datasmith+Castellan box and do a Kitbashing, I'd be cool with)

And the Secutarii rules aren't bad, honestly one of the better non-marine T3 factions.

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:

As it stands, the secutarii rules account for radium carbines, and you don't have to take a titan in the titan detachment. So you can just take your skitarii+Marshal in a titan detachment, and then at minimum a Techpriest and two Troops. (Which, if someone new just wanted to get a datasmith+Castellan box and do a Kitbashing, I'd be cool with)

You can't take the Titanicus units as a main detachement, it's only an option for an allied detachment (or a single Titan as LoW). Sure, you can max out the allied Titanicus detachment with only Skitarii Vanguard, but that's not really an useful army. I mean... those guys cost 10 points - as much as a Space Marine. Yeah, they can take a Triaros. Fine, but why? Drive close, shoot and die? I'd guess the Triaros is doing more damage.

Alternatively, I have previously pondered about just using the skitarii models as counts-as Solar Auxilia... that might work better?

Maybe with an allied detachment of mechanicum to bring a few robots in as well, particularly now they're in plastic. Transports/vehicles would be tricky, but I figured it would work okay for an infantry focused force.

Still find the GW effort to separate the 30k and 40k lines bizarre, but there you go.

How many more Imperial fist characters and rites of war you reckon? Camba Diaz for sure, hell they'll probably make named sergeant characters at this point.

Camba Diaz as a model sure, but I'd say the raven guard and custodes bits are more interesting. RG could use a character and their praetors, and some new custodes would be appreciated.

 SgtEeveell wrote:

Dryaktylus wrote:
Whatever. Reading the newest article to find out that the most important three events in the Martian Civil War are Marine actions my hopes for this book kind of narrowed.

Hmm, looks to me like the first 2 scenarios are Loyalist Marines vs (Dark?) Mechanicum, and the 3rd is Custodes vs Who Knows. Have to get our dose of hot and steamy Salt & Pepper action somewhere else I guess.

I dont see how one can bypass...
The attack on Gigas Fossae...
The ensuing period of subterfuge and sabotage...
The release of scrapcode...
The declaration of sedition and purging of the loyalists...
The assault on Magma City...
...and still call it a Martian Civil War book.

Its more 'Martian Civil War Cleanup Operation' given that it starts with the Imperial Fists going for the power armour stash just before bailing to Terra with Zagreus Kane.

They are going to need to be hiding like, three completely new army lists for this book concept not to just be a mechanism to fast-track past Mars to Terra while avoiding actually letting the mechanicum/new mechanicum unleash everything at each other.
Lame, mid, bogus and square.

If you think that they're actually going to cover the Siege of Terra anytime soon and are releasing a lazy narrative supplement to open the door for it, i have some beautiful oceanfront property in Kansas id like to sell you.

Does anyone happen to know the UK pricing for the upcoming Mechanicum pre-orders going up this Saturday?

chaos0xomega wrote:
If you think that they're actually going to cover the Siege of Terra anytime soon and are releasing a lazy narrative supplement to open the door for it, i have some beautiful oceanfront property in Kansas id like to sell you.

Get ready for some serious geological landscaping work then, because im just going by what one of the writers said in the article Dryaktylus and SgtEeveell were discussing.

Here...
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/26/the-martian-civil-war-uncovering-the-mysterious-conflict-that-consumed-the-mechanicum-during-the-horus-heresy/

The Siege of Cthonia is literally set at the same time as the Siege, then GW went backwards to do Beta-Garmon, then skipped about for this book.

Technically the Heresy campaign books have never been in order because Prospero happened before the Betrayal at Isstvan 3.

There's plenty to go round before the Siege hits.

Yeah what Gert said. Actually Siege of Cthonia concludes months after Big E and Horus finish their fight. Whatever you think that article is telling you, it ain't it.

The writer literally says..

We decided that our book should present a range of events between the Death of Innocence (as the Mechanicum call the fall of Mars) and the eve of the Siege of Terra

As gert stated theres nothing stopping them inserting a bunch of other campain books in between Mars and Terra, but its a bit bloody convenient that the Mars book basicly skips the majority of the civil war and finishes on the eve of the Seige of Terra dont you think?

The narrative opens with a description of the coming of heresy to Mars in 005.M31, culminating in the battles at Mondus Gamma and Mondus Occulum.

And then you actually fight for control of Mondus Occulam and Mondus Gamma.

Next we fast-forward to 007.M31 and a dark period for Mars, a time when the Loyalists were reduced to a desperate underground resistance fighting a guerilla war against the Traitors.

That will be the campaign he mentions later in the article, but this is basicly after the dark mech have won and the blockade of Mars is in effect

The third chunk of story comes towards the end of the Horus Heresy, in 013.M31, and features two separate, yet coordinated operations

And thats either blood angels and robots vs dark mech on Mars or Custodes vs 'unknown horror' in the oort cloud.
Lazy Vashtorr insert?

Doyalist, but they could be choosing battles to avoid mirror matches while mechanicum is a more limited model range.

 SirDonlad wrote:
The writer literally says..

We decided that our book should present a range of events between the Death of Innocence (as the Mechanicum call the fall of Mars) and the eve of the Siege of Terra

As gert stated theres nothing stopping them inserting a bunch of other campain books in between Mars and Terra, but its a bit bloody convenient that the Mars book basicly skips the majority of the civil war and finishes on the eve of the Seige of Terra dont you think?

No, because as has been stated, there has the campaign books have never stuck to linear events between books. The Siege of Cthonia starts at the same time as the Siege of Terra and ends afterward. Then we go to Beta-Garmon, which is before Cthonia. And now we're onto Mars in which events start before Isstvan 5 and as has been discussed cover events up to the Siege.
Prospero happened before Isstvan 3 but it was the 7th book to be released in the FW series. Signus Prime happened before the battles of Paramar and Phall but was the 8th book to be released in the series.
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